What is Indian culture in the modern world?

[PakSarzameen5823]

We just broke you vertically and you are bragging here.

No, you freed a pseudo-colony from our rule. Sad, but not heartbreaking. If it really were splitting us in two, all those Urdu speakers wouldn't have left with us.

The real breaking in two was when Muslims carved out Afghanistan, Pakistan and Bangladesh from your darling Akhand Bharat.

 

[Surya 1]

No, you freed a pseudo-colony from our rule. Sad, but not heartbreaking. If it really were splitting us in two, all those Urdu speakers wouldn't have left with us.

The real breaking in two was when Muslims carved out Afghanistan, Pakistan and Bangladesh from your darling Akhand Bharat.

So Urdu speaker population is your definition of Nation than India is not broken because we too have big population of Urdu speakers who speak much better Urdu than anybody in Pakistan.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Muslims make up 15% of the population, and you know very well the kind of storm we can create over these incidents. It's not feasible unless you want to spark a civil war.

Haha like I said, nobody is into ethnic cleansing. So, such a discussion is mooted.

The ones I've seen would all love to so long as they can kill/convert us (the inhabitants).

Maybe you met some strange false flag guys on the internet like @Nilu Pule.

I'm not trying anything, you're just not aware of history. They are categorised as an eastern Iranic people (just like the Pashtuns). Their major cities were Kunduz, Balkh, Kapisa (in Afghanistan), Peshawar, Sagala and Taxila (in Pakistan).

Sure, now central Asian tribes are Iranians. Conquering a region doesn't make them people of that origin. Please tell me if Huns are Eastern Iranics or Central Asians?

Good gried, how ignorant are you? There are Rajputs who converted to Islam you know, it's nothing to do with this "superiority" nonsense, it's just a fact. I'll get you one right now:

@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

I guess you're not a Rajput anymore since you're Muslim as per this clueless Bharti

Probably poor cognitive ability you are stuck with. Rajputs today may have bloodline/some ancestoral relation in Pakistan, doesn't make them the same people. Rajputs claims themselves to be Kshatriyas, otoh many don't consider them to be Kshatriya given the mix with other clans they undergone. There are sub classes in Rajput, like Suryavanshi, Chandravanshi, Solanki, Chauhan etc... Never heard of Muslim Rajput.

No, Mohenjo Daro and Harappa are both in Pakistan. I didn't say IVC, I said Harappa and Mohenjo Daro specifically because I know Indians love to claim those two in particular, even though you have your own Rakhigir or whatever the heck it's called.

Harappa and Mohenjodaro are part of IVC talk about low IQ. Same as Rakhigarhi. There is nothing specific to Pakistan about IVC, the geographical divide didn't exist before 1947.

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

Sure, now central Asian tribes are Iranians. Conquering a region doesn't make them people of that origin. Please tell me if Huns are Eastern Iranics or Central Asians?

Eastern Iranics were the original inhabitants of Central Asia prior to the expansion of Turco-Mongols outside of the Altaic region. This is generally regarded as historical fact, as is the identification of the Huna people belonging to the eastern Iranic people. I'm actually astonished you actually think you're correct when you couldn't be further from the truth.

Read this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephthalite_Empire#Ethnicity

Whether you like or not, they are related to the Pashtuns.

Never heard of Muslim Rajput.

You don't even know what eastern Iranics are, so I'm not surprised that you're stupid enough to think Muslim Rajputs don't exist.

https://newpakhistorian.wordpress.com/tag/muslim-rajputs/

Harappa and Mohenjodaro are part of IVC talk about low IQ. Same as Rakhigarhi. There is nothing specific to Pakistan about IVC, the geographical divide didn't exist before 1947.

Learn to read. I clearly said Harappa and Mohenjo Daro specifically, not IVC as a whole.

So Urdu speaker population is your definition of Nation

I never said that. I said East Pakistan was always viewed as a pseudo-colony, Urdu speakers and a select few of the elite aside, we looked down upon them. They were as Pakistani as we were British during the colonial times.

who speak much better Urdu than anybody in Pakistan

The greatest Urdu poet of all time was literally one of Pakistan's founding fathers.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Eastern Iranics were the original inhabitants of Central Asia prior to the expansion of Turco-Mongols outside of the Altaic region. This is generally regarded as historical fact, as is the identification of the Huna people belonging to the eastern Iranic people. I'm actually astonished you actually think you're correct when you couldn't be further from the truth.

Read this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephthalite_Empire#Ethnicity

Whether you like or not, they are related to the Pashtuns.

Nice, you still failed to read the important matter which are from your own source. What you are talking about is theories which suggests two origins, either Iranic or Turkik, but evidence which suggests they are based in Bactria region and not West Asia (including Persia) but language has Iranian influences and written in Greek. So, they may have Iranian origin chiefs as I mentioned before.

You don't even know what eastern Iranics are, so I'm not surprised that you're stupid enough to think Muslim Rajputs don't exist.

https://newpakhistorian.wordpress.com/tag/muslim-rajputs/

Because you don't understand who is a Rajput, please don't quote stupid blog posts. Do you call Jahangir of the Mughal empire a Muslim Rajput? I wouldn't be surprised if you do. The point is there are no Muslim Rajputs.
Borrowing Rajput clan name is a trend started somewhere in 19th century. Rajput are assigned to Hindu groups such as Suryavanshi, Chandravanshi's, Chauhan and so on.

That's not just it, there are Muslim Pandits, Wani, Butt, Dhar etc... some you might as well call them Muslim Brahmins (except for Dhar).

Learn to read. I clearly said Harappa and Mohenjo Daro specifically, not IVC as a whole.

LOL! What's the point, does today's geography matter? Such stupendous claims don't fly. Read what I said at first.

Neither of us follow their culture it's a dead civilization. We two hold their skeletons and claims this is us is a joke.

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

but evidence which suggests they are based in Bactria

No, evidence says they originated in Bactria, their empire was clearly based around Afghanistan/Pakistan.

) but language has Iranian influences and written in Greek.

No, their language WAS eastern Iranic but had some Greek influence in terms of the script.

The point is there are no Muslim Rajputs.

Clearly there are.

Rajput are assigned to Hindu groups such as Suryavanshi, Chandravanshi's, Chauhan and so on.

And you get Muslim Chauhans, Tomars, Janjuas and so on. All of which are Rajputs (but are also present among Jats and Gujjars).

That's not just it, there are Muslim Pandits, Wani, Butt, Dhar etc... some you might as well call them Muslim Brahmins (except for Dhar).

I am aware.

LOL! What's the point, does today's geography matter?

It does represent a civilisational divide to some extent.

 

[Chhatrapati]

No, evidence says they originated in Bactria, their empire was clearly based around Afghanistan/Pakistan.

I suggest you read the Wiki source you quoted.

Clearly there are.

Nope. Rajputs are Hindus. Converts are convert, Muslims. Period.

And you get Muslim Chauhans, Tomars, Janjuas and so on. All of which are Rajputs (but are also present among Jats and Gujjars).

I am aware.

Yep, but there are no Muslim Brahmins just like there shouldn't be a Muslim Rajput. Oh well, the selective hindrance of logic and facts. Tell me, what a Muslim Chauhan has in common with the real Chauhans? Do Muslim chauhan have any similarities with the great Sage Vatsa or accept the god Agni as their origin?
They adopt the name for some status, to show off they are of noble origin, it's more like a caste system in Muslims, which we laugh at.

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

I suggest you read the Wiki source you quoted.

I have.

Nope. Rajputs are Hindus. Converts are convert, Muslims.

The two are not mutually exclusive. A Muslim can still be a Rajput, the only thing he would no longer be is a Kshatriya.

Tell me, what a Muslim Chauhan has in common with the real Chauhans?

Paternal lineage, and that's it. That's all these tribal affiliations designate. Nothing more.

They adopt the name for some status

No, they just retained the name of their ancestors.

which we laugh at.

Which is rather ironic considering your wretched caste system. Ours only really comes into play during marriages.

 

[Chhatrapati]

The two are not mutually exclusive. A Muslim can still be a Rajput, the only thing he would no longer be is a Kshatriya.

Even you don't have idea what you're talking about.

Paternal lineage, and that's it. That's all these tribal affiliations designate. Nothing more.

Not really, does a Muslim Chauhan only marry another Chauhan? A Chauhan or any Hindu who converts to Islam is a Mleccha he will be stripped off his ranks (i.e Clans). There are a underlying meaning to these clans without which the claiming of such is seen pathetic at best.

Which is rather ironic considering your wretched caste system. Ours only really comes into play during marriages.

LOL! That's the same for Hindus, apart from the tag. Muslim caste system

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

you don't have idea what you're talking about.

The irony!

Not really

YES really. In Pakistan, your tribal affiliation is based on your father's tribe.

does a Muslim Chauhan only marry another Chauhan?

No.

There are a underlying meaning to these clans

No there isn't, they just designate one's paternal ancestry. That's it. Beyond that they have no meaning.

That's the same for Hindus

No it's not. You guys literally try to kill low caste people.

 

[Chhatrapati]

No there isn't, they just designate one's paternal ancestry. That's it. Beyond that they have no meaning.

Sorry, probably a Muslim don't understand how things work in Hinduism. Yes, they inherit their paternal ancestry, given they are born out of a legal marriage in Hindu tradition (Mangalya). If a Chauhan marries a women who is from a lower caste (or upper) and their child cannot inherit the fathers surname. Because there is only a marriage that's though legal but no power of inheritance. So, like I said, a Hindu Chauhan is a real Rajput, others are converted Muslims who borrowed the names but are not Rajputs i.e sons of Kings (Rajaputra) as the name (in sanskrit) specifies.

The irony!

No, just your ignorance. A khatriya is a varna and Rajput is a clan of Kshatriya, both are connected. So, if you are a Rajput, you're a Kshatriya in some aspects. If you're a Muslim Rajput, you're a Muslim with a Rajput surname nothing more nothing less.

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

Sorry, probably a Muslim don't understand how things work in Hinduism.

Hinduism has got nothing to do with this.

If a Chauhan marries a women who is from a lower caste (or upper) and their child cannot inherit the fathers surname. Because there is only a marriage that's though legal but no power of inheritance.

Sounds pretty barbaric, thank God Muslim Rajputs don't hold such toxic views.

If you're a Muslim Rajput, you're a Muslim with a Rajput surname

And if you're a Hindu Rajput, you're a Hindu with a Rajput surname. What part of this is difficult for you to grasp?

 

[Chhatrapati]

Hinduism has got nothing to do with this.

Yep, given the Rajputs consider the protector of their clan as Hindu gods, Hinduism has everything to do with this.

Sounds pretty barbaric, thank God Muslim Rajputs don't hold such toxic views.

Given there are no Rajputs in Muslims, that point is mooted.

And if you're a Hindu Rajput, you're a Hindu with a Rajput surname. What part of this is difficult for you to grasp?

The part where there is legal Hindu marriage.

By that logic you can be a Muslim without following Sunnah?

 

[Surya 1]

Eastern Iranics were the original inhabitants of Central Asia prior to the expansion of Turco-Mongols outside of the Altaic region. This is generally regarded as historical fact, as is the identification of the Huna people belonging to the eastern Iranic people. I'm actually astonished you actually think you're correct when you couldn't be further from the truth.

Read this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephthalite_Empire#Ethnicity

Whether you like or not, they are related to the Pashtuns.



You don't even know what eastern Iranics are, so I'm not surprised that you're stupid enough to think Muslim Rajputs don't exist.

https://newpakhistorian.wordpress.com/tag/muslim-rajputs/



Learn to read. I clearly said Harappa and Mohenjo Daro specifically, not IVC as a whole.



I never said that. I said East Pakistan was always viewed as a pseudo-colony, Urdu speakers and a select few of the elite aside, we looked down upon them. They were as Pakistani as we were British during the colonial times.





The greatest Urdu poet of all time was literally one of Pakistan's founding fathers.

But he was Indian and learned Urdu from India.

 

[PakSarzameen5823]

But he was Indian