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What If Israel Had Never Been Created?
by William Hughes
(Tuesday July 11 2006)

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"What would the world look like, if in 1948, the state of Israel hadn’t been created? Unfortunately, President Harry S. Truman, under the “influence of the Zionists,” gave his endorsement to that violence-inspiring project. Since that time, life for the Palestinans has become a hell-on-earth under the heel of Israel’s brutal Death-Mayhem-&-Occupation Machine. John Lennon said, “Imagine there’s no countries.” Okay, let’s imagine: There is no Israel!"

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“Imagine there’s no countries...Nothing to live or die for...Imagine all the people living life in peace.”

-- John Lennon

Thanks mostly to U.S. President Harry S. Truman and his “susceptibility to Zionist influence,” Israel came into existence in 1948. [1] Humanity, and in particular, the Palestinians, have paid dearly for his decision. The land on which the Palestinians had been living for centuries, in peace, with a minority Jewish population, has been gradually transformed into an Apartheid state by the machinations of the Zionist Movement. That Apartheid state, in turn, is today dominated by Israel’s Death-Mayhem-and- Occupation Machine. [2]

One wonders: What would the world look like today, if the state of Israel had not been created in 1948? Its improvident formation seems to have set in motion a chain of events, mostly negative, in the affairs of Mankind. In the movie, “Click,” the lead character finds a “universal remote” that allows him to rewind to different parts of his life and to change what had happened. If I possessed such a “universal remote” and could stop President Truman from aiding and abetting the establishment of an Israeli state, then, it is my speculation, (a theory), that the following 25 propositions would probably be our present day reality. They are:

1. The U.S. would not have any enemies in the Islamic World.

2. There would be no Al-Qaeda Terrorist Network.

3. Gasoline would be selling for less than $1 a gallon.

4. There would have been no 9/11.

5. There would be no USA Patriot Law.

6. There would be no Homeland Security Agency.

7. The Israeli Lobby’s “unmatched power” over the U.S.’ foreign policy, for over four decades, would not had existed. (Its support for the Iraqi War was deemed by the experts to be “critical.”) [3]

8. There would also not have been any Neocon ideologues; like Paul Wolfowitz, William Kristol, Richard Perle, et al, to help, (along with other “Special Interests”), to push the U.S. into an illegal war with Iraq. [4]

9. Iran would not be the next target for U.S. aggression. (No Israel. No “A Clean Break” document. No Israeli Lobby. No Neocons. No need for the U.S. to attack Iran.) [5]

10. The Zionist fink, Jonathan Pollard, wouldn’t be in prison for stealing U.S. military secrets and hawking them to Israel.

11. The three million-plus Palestinians, who were forcefully dispersed from their homeland, since 1948, by the Israeli Occupation Forces, (IOF), would, instead, be living happily there today, in a free and independent state of Palestine. There would be no Apartheid Wall, or as a corollary, a Hamas organization. [6]

12. Jerusalem would have a vibrant Christian population. [7]

13. Rachel Corrie of Olympia, WA, would be alive and well. [8]

14. The 2,544 Americans who have died in Iraq would be alive; and the 18,777, who have been seriously wounded there, would be fully participating in our Republic. U.S. taxpayers would have an additional $295 billion, (the cost of the war), in the treasury to use to serve the social needs of the people. Universal Health Care would be a real possibility and Social Security would not be in jeopardy. Iraq would be at peace. There would be no Gitmo Bay detention center, or an Abu Ghraib Prison, or a reason for the Bush-Cheney Gang to gut Habeas Corpus. No need for it to also employ torturers, or chemical weapons, or hold detainees without charges or trial. The Geneva Convention would be respected. The tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis, who have died as a result of the war, would instead be alive today. (At the following footnote, see horrific photos of some of the Iraqi dead.) [9]

15. The battle to save our planet, its fragile ecosystem, its fast vanishing animal life and plants and to combat global warming, would be issue “No. 1.” [10] Instead, we are perpetually bombarded with propaganda about defending “Israel’s security.”

16. If there was no Israel, then the “five dancing Israelis” on 9/11 wouldn’t have been arrested. They were nailed after “celebrating” in NJ, while watching the Twin Towers collapsed. [11]

17. U.S. taxpayers would be $140 billion richer! This is the staggering amount they have shelled out over the last 58 years to support the ultra-greedy interests of the Zionist Cartel. [3]

18. The 34 Americans onboard the USS Liberty, who were slaughtered by the IOF, on June 8, 1967, would be alive today; and the 174 others who had suffered injuries that day would not have had to endure their horrific experiences. The shame the U.S. carries for not having quickly defended the men of the Liberty, and retaliated against the Israelis for their deliberate attack on the vessel, would have been avoided. [12]

19. On June 13, 2006, the IOF killed ten Palestinians, including three medical workers and two children, in the Gaza Strip. The Palestinian President, Mahmoud Abbas, labeled the missile attack an example of “state terrorism.” Only God knows how many Palestinians the Israelis have actually wasted since 1948; or exactly how many refugees it has created, or how many homes, a la Oliver Cromwell, the IOF have demolished. None of this would have been possible without the dubious “state of Israel.” [13]

20. Paul Bremer, a coat holder for Henry “Iago” Kissinger, would have never been appointed Viceroy for an Occupied Iraq. No Israel. No Iraqi War. No Zionist Bremer as Viceroy of Iraq. [14]

21. One of the reasons the Warren Commission failed to properly investigate the murder of JFK was because of Arlen Specter (R-PA), a card carrying Zionist. He was then a “Special Counsel” to the Commission. He concocted the preposterous “Magic Bullet” theory, which shut down any real conspiracy-type probe. It is also interesting to note, that Jacob Rubenstein, aka, “Jack Ruby,” Lee Harvey Oswald’s murderer, had close ties to Meyer Lansky’s National Crime Syndicate. I believe the answer to who really plotted JFK’s killing, died with Oswald. In any event after JFK’s death, Israel’s nuclear weapons program, which he had opposed went ahead. U.S. aid to Israel also increased dramatically. [15]

22. There would have been no reason for a French Ambassador to refer to Israel as “that shitty little country.” [16] In fact, the Jews of the world would have been liberated to fulfill their deepest spiritual quest, as embodied in their religion - Judaism. According to the highly respected Orthodox Rabbi, Dovid Yisroel Weiss, “Zionism has hijacked Judaism.” The courageous Rabbi insists that, “Zionism creates anti-Semitism...And we know...Zionism is the root cause for the pain, suffering and bloodshed of the Jewish people...and, they, (the Zionists), are the greatest factory of anti-Semitism worldwide...Judaism and Zionism is not one and the same. They are diametrically opposite...We should not be mistaken one for the other. And, we shouldn’t be responsible for the actions of what the Zionists do...Now, another of the problems that emanate actually from the Zionist Movement is the fact that they are encroaching upon the rights of the Palestinian people, the indigenous people, who are living there. And, this is terribly wrong. It is against every concept of the Torah...So, whatever they are doing is totally wrong!” [17]

23. Thousands of Israelis have died attempting to build a nation in a land, Palestine, which belonged to another people, the Palestinians. Their deaths would have been avoided. [18]

24. The widespread spying on Americans, without a court order, by operatives of the Bush-Cheney Gang, would have never happened. (No Israel. No 9/11. No spying on U.S. citizens.)

25. On April 4, 2003, a European Union (EU) poll named Israel as the “greatest threat to world peace.” [19] On June 27, 2006, the IOF proved the EU right by reoccupying Gaza, savagely terrorizing the civilian population, blowing up their electric/water generating facilities, conducting a mass arrest of their elected officials, and also, without just cause, provoking the Syrians. In response to the repeated shelling by the IOF of Gaza, Israel’s Prime Minister, Ehud Olmert, wisecracked, “Nobody dies from being uncomfortable!” When he addressed a Joint Session of the U.S. Congress, on May 24, 2006, Olmert received 38 breaks of applause and 18 standing ovations from that entity of mostly lapdogs. This is also the same Israeli leader, who, paraphrasing George Orwell's “Animal Farm,” said that he had a “deep regret” about the effects of some IOF’s operations which had killed 14 innocent Palestinians in just nine days, but that the lives of Israeli citizens were “even more important.”(20) Finally, if there wasn’t a Zionist-created Israel, there also wouldn’t be any need for a commentary like this one!


Notes:

[1]. http://www.counterpunch.org/clark06032006.html

[2]. http://www.marxists.de/middleast/schoenman/index.htm

[3]. http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/Research/wpaper.nsf/rwp/RWP06-011/%
24File/rwp_06_011_walt.pdf; and,
http://www.counterpunch.org/christison06162006.html


[4]. http://batr.net/neoconwatch/archives/2004_12_01_
neoconswatch_archive.html; and
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/offtowar.html


[5]. Chalmer Johnson’s “Sorrows of Empire.”

[6]. http://www.ameu.org/index.asp

[7]. http://hcef.org/hcef/; Scott McConnell’s “Divided & Conquered,” TAC, 07/03/06; http://woodstock.georgetown.edu/publications/
column_Feb2001.htm; and
http://www.icahduk.org/documents/SupportSabeel.htm


[8]. http://www.rachelcorrie.org/

[9]. http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/uncensored

[10]. http://www.globalpublicmedia.com/lectures/448

[11]. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html

[12]. http://www.ussliberty.org/

[13]. http://www.pchrgaza.org/

[14]. http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1522983,00.html

[15]. Peter Dale Scott’s “Deep Politics and the Death of JFK” and Stephen Green’s “Taking Sides: America’s Secret Relationship with a Militant Israel.”

[16]. http://www.themodernreligion.com/jihad/french-ambassador.html

[17]. http://www.nkusa.org/index.cfm and http://usa.mediamonitors.net/headlines/rabbi_weiss_rips_
ariel_sharon_zionism and
http://baltimore.indymedia.org/newswire/display/5200/index.php


[18]. http://wrmea.org/

[19]. http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1022127,00.html

[20]. Ravi Nessman’s “Israel Steps Up Offensive,” AP, 07/03/06; Boston Globe’s “Agony of Gaza,” 07/07/06; and
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article1095841.ece
 
What if the world was not created?

Then there would have been nothing to worry about at all!

These articles are mere moneyspinners for the journalists since they appeal to certain sections of the international public's dreams and hobby horses!

A whole lot of waste of time and newsprint is what typifies these type of articles.

Otherwise, it does nothing to change the world!

Mere placebos to fevered and disappointed minds.
 
Once again, the useless comment by our kafir member, which is characterized by as he explains: a whole lot of waste of time.

The point of the article was to shed light on the crimes committed and being committed by the Apartheid state.
 
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Did not quote the post of Averrossa calling me a kaffir.
 
Averröes;25652 said:
Once again, the useless comment by our kafir member, which is characterized by as he explains: a whole lot of waste of time.

The point of the article was to shed light on the crimes committed and being committed by the Apartheid state.

May I request you not to call me "kaffir".

Or have you taken leave of your senses or are you the type who subscribe to the video that Zeeshan posted in the thread that Asim closed?

May I call you some epithets which the western world uses for rabid people like you?

Learn to debate with facts and not with abuses.

Only those who are fact bereft and intelligence denied use abusive language since they have nothing to counter except being impotent in thought!

Poor show, boy.
 
First of all, you had nothing constructive in your post. Secondly your pretentious game here is quite obvious: referring to the facts which were mentioned in the article you passed them off as a waste of time. So who is resorting to puerile discussion and worthless rhetorics to pass of their own ignorance in regards to the topic?

The purpose of this article was to highlight Israeli crimes, and their detrimental and lethal impact worldwide.

I'm not calling you a kaffir, it's spelled kafir. Someone who does not believe in Allah, is this not you? Insult, or an accurate description?
 
First of all, you had nothing constructive in your post. Secondly your pretentious game here is quite obvious: referring to the facts which were mentioned in the article you passed them off as a waste of time. So who is resorting to puerile discussion and worthless rhetorics to pass of their own ignorance in regards to the topic?

The purpose of this article was to highlight Israeli crimes, and their detrimental and lethal impact worldwide.

I'm not calling you a kaffir, it's spelled kafir. Someone who does not believe in Allah, is this not you? Insult, or an accurate description?

As an avowed secularist, does that make me a kafir too? I must be doing better than I thought as I was previously only an infidel! As to Salims brevity of text, let me assure you that it is not always necessary to write reams of paper to put your views across. In fact short and to the point is far preferable in most cases.
 
Islam is not applicable to me and neither has this board indicated that it is a religious board subscribing to the propagation of Islam.

There is a separate sub forum on Islam where you can out Mullah the Mullah for all I care.

I do not wish to stoop to your level or it can surely vitiate the atmosphere.

In case you feel I am wrong state what I have said is incorrect we can debate it out.

There is no need for you to attack me nor use Islam to justify your use of words that are context.
 
Kafir (Arabic: كافر kāfir; plural كفّار kuffār) is an Arabic word meaning an unbeliever, a person who hides, denies, or covers the truth. In cultural terms, it is a derogatory term used to describe an unbeliever, a Muslim of a differing sect, or an apostate from Islam. It is usually translated into English as "infidel" or "unbeliever".
 
Here I thought that at least one reply would be regarding the topic.
 
I usually can't be bothered with this sort of drivel but what the hey:rolleyes:
"What would the world look like, if in 1948, the state of Israel hadn’t been created? Unfortunately, President Harry S. Truman, under the “influence of the Zionists,” gave his endorsement to that violence-inspiring project. Since that time, life for the Palestinans has become a hell-on-earth under the heel of Israel’s brutal Death-Mayhem-&-Occupation Machine. John Lennon said, “Imagine there’s no countries.” Okay, let’s imagine: There is no Israel!"
The UN created the state of Israel, not Harry Truman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_UN_Partition_Plan


“Imagine there’s no countries...Nothing to live or die for...Imagine all the people living life in peace.”

-- John Lennon
John forgot to mention religion, greed and fanaticism, all far greater causes of war historically than National boundaries
1. The U.S. would not have any enemies in the Islamic World.

2. There would be no Al-Qaeda Terrorist Network.
“The origins of the group can be traced to a few weeks after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979, when a cadre of foreign Arab mujahideen, financed by bin Laden and independent wealthy Muslim contributors, joined the fight against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.”

“Following the Soviet Union's withdrawal from Afghanistan, Osama bin Laden returned to Saudi Arabia. The Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in 1990 had put the Saudi Arabian ruling House of Saud at risk both from internal dissent and the perceived possibility of further Iraqi expansionism. In the face of seemingly massive Iraqi military presence, Saudi Arabia's own forces were well armed but outnumbered. Bin Laden offered the services of his Mujahideen to King Fahd to protect Saudi Arabia from the Iraqi army.
After some deliberation the Saudi Monarch refused bin Laden's offer and instead opted to allow United States and allied forces to deploy on his territory. Bin Laden considered this a treacherous deed. He believed that the presence of foreign troops in the "land of the two mosques" (Mecca and Medina) profaned sacred soil. After speaking publicly against the Saudi government for harboring American troops he was quickly forced into exile to Sudan and his Saudi citizenship was revoked.
Shortly afterwards, the movement which came to be known as al-Qaeda was formed.”
So Al Qaeda’s enmity towards America had nothing to do with Israel.
Source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Qaeda#History_of_al-Qaeda
4. There would have been no 9/11.
See above
5. There would be no USA Patriot Law.
The WOT stemming from 9/11 would have happened regardless, and 9/11 would have occurred regardless of Israel
6. There would be no Homeland Security Agency.
See above
8. There would also not have been any Neocon ideologues; like Paul Wolfowitz, William Kristol, Richard Perle, et al, to help, (along with other “Special Interests”), to push the U.S. into an illegal war with Iraq. [4]
Idealogues and fanatics exist irrespective of politics. They simply look for any cause, real or imagined, to latch onto
9. Iran would not be the next target for U.S. aggression. (No Israel. No “A Clean Break” document. No Israeli Lobby. No Neocons. No need for the U.S. to attack Iran.) [5]
The enmity between the USA and Iran is because of the meddlings in Irans statehood by the USA, with no link to Israel.
11. The three million-plus Palestinians, who were forcefully dispersed from their homeland, since 1948, by the Israeli Occupation Forces, (IOF), would, instead, be living happily there today, in a free and independent state of Palestine. There would be no Apartheid Wall, or as a corollary, a Hamas organization. [6]
Given the 20th century pogroms against Jewish arabs in Iraq, Iran, Suadi Arabia et all, I find it very difficult to believe that they’d all “be living happily”. Correction, the jews wouldn’t be living at all in that area of the world.
14. The 2,544 Americans who have died in Iraq would be alive; and the 18,777, who have been seriously wounded there, would be fully participating in our Republic. U.S. taxpayers would have an additional $295 billion, (the cost of the war), in the treasury to use to serve the social needs of the people. Universal Health Care would be a real possibility and Social Security would not be in jeopardy. Iraq would be at peace. There would be no Gitmo Bay detention center, or an Abu Ghraib Prison, or a reason for the Bush-Cheney Gang to gut Habeas Corpus. No need for it to also employ torturers, or chemical weapons, or hold detainees without charges or trial. The Geneva Convention would be respected. The tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis, who have died as a result of the war, would instead be alive today. (At the following footnote, see horrific photos of some of the Iraqi dead.) [9]
Iraq was attacked in 91 for invading Kuwait and threatening the world oil supply. It was attacked in 2003 because of it’s refusal to live by the sanctions mandated by the UN after its 91 defeat. Again, nothing to do with the Jews.
15. The battle to save our planet, its fragile ecosystem, its fast vanishing animal life and plants and to combat global warming, would be issue “No. 1.” [10] Instead, we are perpetually bombarded with propaganda about defending “Israel’s security.”
Just like we’re constantly bombarded with propaganda about global warming.
20. Paul Bremer, a coat holder for Henry “Iago” Kissinger, would have never been appointed Viceroy for an Occupied Iraq. No Israel. No Iraqi War. No Zionist Bremer as Viceroy of Iraq. [14]
See above
21. One of the reasons the Warren Commission failed to properly investigate the murder of JFK was because of Arlen Specter (R-PA), a card carrying Zionist. He was then a “Special Counsel” to the Commission. He concocted the preposterous “Magic Bullet” theory, which shut down any real conspiracy-type probe. It is also interesting to note, that Jacob Rubenstein, aka, “Jack Ruby,” Lee Harvey Oswald’s murderer, had close ties to Meyer Lansky’s National Crime Syndicate. I believe the answer to who really plotted JFK’s killing, died with Oswald. In any event after JFK’s death, Israel’s nuclear weapons program, which he had opposed went ahead. U.S. aid to Israel also increased dramatically. [15]
Of course! The Jews killed Kennedy!
 
Kafir means disbeliever.

The Quran is not something that indulges in racial slurs. In Surah Kafiroon it calls out "Oh ye who disbelieves". These are words directed towards disbelievers.

However, if there'd be an objection, and there clearly is, why not simply use their names?
 
Dear Averros
We all know the meaning of KAFIR. DON'T we ??? When you used this word in context with the views of SALIM, then it gave the it the touch of RACISM !! It is wrong to interpret the response in these terms. I do not agree to the views of SALIM. Defnitely not !! But I would never use a such a humilating language unless one uses it against me (even, under that case, I would first like to warn the fellow member and moderators). SALIM is a non-beliver, according to all MUSLIMS, then so what? There are many more !! If we dis-agree with him we should say it in a most polite and educated manner possible. This is what ISLAM is all about !!

SALIM,
I hope you will ignore this language and would not take it to heart. When it comes to PALISTINE and crimes against Muslims and Islam, we , all Muslims are very passionate.
The objective of the article was to give another insight to the problem. I also do not live in a fool's paradise, as your point was. But when a writer (such as of this article) leaves his/her imigination loose then see what happens !! The writer is still pointing to the crimes committed by WEST, but from a different angle !! You do not SEE those CRIMES as your personal choice !!!

Hope all agree to my talk !! If you have any reservation kindly put your comments in an educated way !! Don't behave like OFFICER or thier likes !!
Kashif
 
Hey guys the thread started from Israel and ending on a debate on the word KAFIR :) Israel is a military might with support from the west and all over the world except muslims.
Please get back to the topic, imho the israel is created and it is a reality, so we should stop day dreaming,jews are in power everywhere, muslims are far behind in education and far behind to counter thier war against muslims + islam and thier negetive propeganda, Specially our arab brothers doing nothing but selling oil and using that money for buying worn out bikinis from the hotties on the beach ;)
This is time that muslims have to stop fighting each other, stop doing debates in our drawing rooms and be practical
 

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