What has driven the Turkish UAVs "crazy" in the Aegean ?

[Akritas]

For some time now, the flights of Turkish UAVs on the coasts of Asia Minor and the Aegean are not "calm" as before. There are some elements of differentiation of the tactics applied from the Greek side. And one of the main reasons is that now the Greek Armed Forces use an Electronic Warfare system that interferes with their smooth operation and flight.

On July 1, KATHIMERINI (Vassilis Nedos) revealed the existence of an anti-UAV system(possibly Israeli) that has created an "umbrella" on the eastern border. The leak was obviously onto something.

What we can convey, is that the network created based on this particular system (Counter Unmanned Air Systems) detects and properly interferes with UAVs from long distances.

The result is that the Turkish Anka or Bayraktar TB2 are "blinded" and put into an automatic hover mode for safety reasons, without the ability to interfere from the control station, automatically ceasing their flight to be efficient for the purposes for which it was programmed. This change in the "operational situation", is one of the sources of irritation for the Turkish side lately, as it has been severely disturbed.

On the one hand, the Turkish operators at the ground control stations are unable to react effectively, on the other hand, the Greeks are having a fun time watching the tracks of the Turkish UAVs performing "crazy" circles for hours.


This does not mean that UAVs do not enter the Athens FIR or that they do not violate and overfly. However, the situation is more restrained, the flights are not efficient and it is always at the discretion of the Greek pilots, based on the existing orders, to respond in an appropriate manner to the specific delinquent behavior of the Turks.

source: https://doureios.com/ti-ehei-trellanei-ta-tourkika-uav-sto-aigaio/

 

[Foinikas]

They say it's a version of the Israeli Drone Dome,modified for Greece.

 

[Kedikesenfare2]

"Crazy circles" is what the Greeks call information gathering.

 

[Akritas]

They say it's a version of the Israeli Drone Dome,modified for Greece.

It is certainly something new, of course 3 months ago the Greek Minister of Defense foresaw that something would be done about the delinquency of the Turkish drones and UAV flying over the Greek islands. Perhaps this system is the answer.

 

[Foinikas]

It is certainly something new, of course 3 months ago the Greek Minister of Defense foresaw that something would be done about the delinquency of the Turkish drones and UAV flying over the Greek islands. Perhaps this system is the answer.

It should also be installed at Evros major military bases.

 

[Akritas]

It should also be installed at Evros major military bases.

It has been said that it will be installed first in the Aegean islands, then in Evros and finally in the major military units of the mainland. I believe that everything depends on system performance in the Aegean, because the Turks will.....react.

 

[EAGLE777]

probably a fake news look at the source anyway even if true Aselsan will improve the counter meassure systems accordingly.

Turkish uav’s are getting improved all the time you will have counter meassures Turks wil develop counter-counter meassures we’ll always be ten steps ahead of you meanwhile you will rely on assistence from Israel. At high tension times If they dont respond on time you’re toast.

in times of a real conflict Turkish uavs dont even have to fly over greek airspace those uavs can be equipped with standoff missiles which will be launced from Turkish airspace you can’t stop that.

 

[dBSPL]

"Crazy circles" is what the Greeks call information gathering.

(Bro, What happened to your account?)

Lol. They just became aware of the 20 hour MPA missions around Didim, Datça. Existing blocks already have Triple Redundant avionics architecture. It has Fully Automatic Flight Control and 3 Redundant Autopilot Systems. Even if the satcom(if have) system and ground communication relays disconnected same time, it can automatically return to the base. What they call Hoover is mission flight profile. If the systems were disconnected, they would have to return directly to base.

In the general framework: The biggest disadvantage of C-UAS systems is that they are expensive and their operational range is short. Neutralization with EW is very difficult with direct energy from long ranges, maybe something like disconnecting it from the station via cyberattact may be a possibility. However, the problem is that the platforms Turkiye uses are fully domestic production, in other words ECCM modifications can be made very quickly even in their bases. 600,000 flight hours is not a simple accumulation. If it could turn off the memory card of an aircraft flying at 20/30k feet from the ground, probably there will be no electrical equipment left on the island, it can easily burn them all. More realistically; It seems they are trying to integrate Israel's Skylock or DroneDome system. (Israel continues to milking) But even there, the story ended by using F-15s against Iranian-origin Muhajir drones too.

The Russians have not yet been able to develop an effective solution to this problem too, for 5 years. The value of the air defense systems they lost reached billions of dollars. I don't want to spoil the excitement, but the new UAVs in TR's inventory are mk82 capable. It has the opportunity to engage from a distance of 30-40 km with very cheap munitions, plus all have precision strike ability with several guidance kits. The cost of 1000 Mk82s is around 50 million dollars. ( I thought I should give this example as some immediately jumped into combat scenarios. These systems can shoot ammunition directly the head of C-UAS systems while out of range.) Even if we completely ignore TAF's countermeasure and ED capabilities, Akıncı and Aksungur systems, even with their own abilities, offer a solution sufficient to reduce this threat to a situation as if it did not exist.

However, in essence, it must be admitted that this is a rabbit and hound story. In other words, both drone systems and countermeasure systems will continue to develop themselves in the struggle.

 

[Akritas]

in times of a real conflict Turkish uavs dont even have to fly over greek airspace those uavs can be equipped with standoff missiles which will be launced from Turkish airspace you can’t stop that.

In times of a real conflict, the targets will not be the UAVs, but those who operate them.
The specific system was installed not only to deal with UAVs during the peace time, but also the small drones, because the latters doing the damage, as it has been proven on the battlefield, e.g. in Ukraine.

 

[dBSPL]

probably a fake news look at the source anyway even if true Aselsan will improve the counter meassure systems accordingly.

Turkish uav’s are getting improved all the time you will have counter meassures Turks wil develop counter-counter meassures we’ll always be ten steps ahead of you meanwhile you will rely on assistence from Israel. At high tension times If they dont respond on time you’re toast.

in times of a real conflict Turkish uavs dont even have to fly over greek airspace those uavs can be equipped with standoff missiles which will be launced from Turkish airspace you can’t stop that.

War? no. Even when we declare EGEAYDAKs, they will not dare to take a step.

There is only one step that Turkiye should take, the cancellation of the memorandum stating that no military exercises will be held in the Sea of Islands during the summer months in order not to adversely affect the summer tourism of Greece islands. In addition, heavy taxes should be imposed on the travels of Turkish tourists, which is one of the most important tourism revenues of the Greek islands, to these destinations. Thus, while the Greek navy and mainstream media grappling with its problems in the Islands Sea, the TPAO fleet in the Mediterranean can accelerate the drilling of wells without attracting much attention. Greece does not have such an operational capability anyway, and foreign companies learned that cannot operate in these regions without Turkiye's approval. It would be less wearisome for their politicians to focus Greece's attention on the Aegean instead of looking from away and crying.

We haven't even begun to corner Greece yet. It is not yet time for this issue.

 

[Akritas]

Rafael at Defea 2021....
Maybe was the beginning.....if finally the system is Israeli and not....French.
Anyway, according Rafael, only 5 remote systems covered the Turkish threat, 80-130 km for MALE UAV and 4 km for small drones, the system is distinguished by the ability of active and passive measures to deal with drone threats.
Through an electronic interference system, the remote control signal is interrupted, the video transmission to the operator is interfered, as well as the GNSS signal. Electronic jamming can be broadcast against multiple targets and provides a comprehensive air picture and optimal Situational Awareness.

 

[Foinikas]

probably a fake news look at the source anyway even if true Aselsan will improve the counter meassure systems accordingly.

It's not fake news. It started being posted by various sites,but eventually more serious sources reported it.

Rafael had presented it to the Greek government and our army was interested about it.

There is only one step that Turkiye should take, the cancellation of the memorandum stating that no military exercises will be held in the Sea of Islands

What exactly is the Sea of Islands?

 

[EAGLE777]

Rafael at Defea 2021....
Maybe was the beginning.....if finally the system is Israeli and not....French.
Anyway, according Rafael, only 5 remote systems covered the Turkish threat, 80-130 km for MALE UAV and 4 km for small drones, the system is distinguished by the ability of active and passive measures to deal with drone threats.
Through an electronic interference system, the remote control signal is interrupted, the video transmission to the operator is interfered, as well as the GNSS signal. Electronic jamming can be broadcast against multiple targets and provides a comprehensive air picture and optimal Situational Awareness.

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@dBSPL Captian

 

[Akritas]

What exactly is the Sea of Islands?

It is the Turkish revisionist word for the Aegean, a neo-Ottoman neologism.

@dBSPL Captian

This will be seen in the field, although as it seems it has...been seen, with encouraging results.

 

[mulj]

copium is hard in this news.