What happened to Hindus in Kashmir in 1990s is happening again in UP's Kairana

[itachii]

So what was this "had godhra muslims not burned the train there would have been no riot", In the same sense it could be said that, had their being no Bombay riots, there would never have being a 1992 Train blasts. Holds truth?

My yardstick remains same, The initial perpetrators should be blames the most. If hindus started the riot then they should be blamed equally.

What rampage do you speak of? Well this kind of "rampage" is seen very regularly under the able command of Shiv Sena/MNS goons. I don't see you raising voice then

when did MNS/shiv sena commit such an act ?? when did MNS/shiv sena went on a rampage for hindus killed in BD/pakistan ??

The whole of Haryana was burnt with women being raped, I did not see that scorn on your face which I see right now.

Except for some jats on forum no one justified the rampage in haryana. and even those didn't justify the rapists and most doubted if that incident even happened. My belief on rapists will always be same, they should be hanged by there balls till they die.

Hindus may be have been displaced a couple of times but muslim displacement is common phenomena in India, so please, excuse me..


LOL The so called "majority" community does not let them in and you speak of returning. Tell me what happens in a religious riot. Aren't people of specific community attacked in a riot and here there isn't any case of mass attacks, its more of a criminal related activities, And more over we don't even have a clear picture as to what is happening and its motive... Media also states the following...

"On basis of the list, NDTV went to 4 colonies in Kairana, trying to locate 15 people named in it. It was found that a chunk of the families had left around five years ago. A few families left two years ago after some local businessmen were murdered.

The relatives told NDTV that migration has been on for over a decade -- mostly for jobs, education, better opportunities. But law and order also had a role to play.

Mandar Jain, 73, who lives in his ancestral home in Sarvagyan colony, said his brother and nephew had left Kairana 7 years ago for better business opportunities in Panipat and Delhi.

"They had an ironware store. People would come and pick up items from there and never pay. Ultimately they had to shut shop and move. Even I have an ice cream factory here, which I want to sell and move. But the sale is stuck as no one wants to buy a factory here," he said."

Source: http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/bjp-...ges-congress-1418149?pfrom=home-lateststories

Anyways since its election time, so BJP and its cohorts are at work. it knows how to make gains in electoral politics.

There is exodus of only one particular community, and the demographics change completely in complete domination of one particular community and you want me to consider this as a criminal act?

 

[Tangent123]

My yardstick remains same, The initial perpetrators should be blames the most. If hindus started the riot then they should be blamed equally.

when did MNS/shiv sena commit such an act ?? when did MNS/shiv sena went on a rampage for hindus killed in BD/pakistan ??




Except for some jats on forum no one justified the rampage in haryana. and even those didn't justify the rapists and most doubted if that incident even happened. My belief on rapists will always be same, they should be hanged by there balls till they die.



There is exodus of only one particular community, and the demographics change completely in complete domination of one particular community and you want me to consider this as a criminal act?

Muslims are the biggest parasites. Jis thali me khate hai...us hi me thookhte hai...be it India, Europe, US..the world..
..they bite the hand that feed them..

 

[itachii]

Muslims are the biggest parasites. Jis thali me khate hai...us hi me thookhte hai...be it India, Europe, US..the world..
..they bite the hand that feed them..

I don't subscribe to your views bro.. muslims from my ancestral region would never do something like this and are completely secular.

 

[The_Showstopper]

My yardstick remains same, The initial perpetrators should be blames the most. If hindus started the riot then they should be blamed equally.

Were the women, children and those killed in Gujarat genocide initial perpetrators of Godhra? Did they burn the train? So how come they are the initial perpetrators.

when did MNS/shiv sena commit such an act ?? when did MNS/shiv sena went on a rampage for hindus killed in BD/pakistan ??

Reason could be anything but is the violence any lesser, it is sometimes much worse

Except for some jats on forum no one justified the rampage in haryana. and even those didn't justify the rapists and most doubted if that incident even happened. My belief on rapists will always be same, they should be hanged by there balls till they die.

But there was no such outrage as you get to see when a Malda happens. So why this selective outrage?

There is exodus of only one particular community, and the demographics change completely in complete domination of one particular community and you want me to consider this as a criminal act?

I am speaking of ghettoization on both sides and I already posted the truth about this Kairana displacement.. You can refer the thread below

https://defence.pk/threads/mass-mov...ghettoization-in-west-up.434610/#post-8375106

 

[itachii]

Were the women, children and those killed in Gujarat genocide initial perpetrators of Godhra? Did they burn the train? So how come they are the initial perpetrators.

Does that include 27 women and 10 children that were charred to death in godhra train ? If only godhra muslims cared for these lives, 1000's of innocent souls would have been spared. now you decide who are the initial perpetrators.

Reason could be anything but is the violence any lesser, it is sometimes much worse

How does reason doesn't matter ?? you going on streets demanding better standard of living or greater inclusion in India's development is different from rioting and destroying properties of your mother land for some random people,sharing the same faith being killed in a foreign country. These acts of muslims makes even the rationalist individuals start looking at them with suspicion and alienates them from other communities,this is what is happening to muslims in west today.

what did shiv sena/MNS achieved from these ? shiv sena lost its superiority in alliance to BJP and MNS hardly opened an account in Maharastra.

But there was no such outrage as you get to see when a Malda happens. So why is this selective outrage?

jats protested for reservations and malda was for a stupid comment made by a no one in some other state. you see the differrence ? they both destroyed public and private properties both needs to be condemned and wish perpetrators were arrested. The outrage on jats is for demanding reservations despite their high social status, while malda turned the debate completely on to islam. had muslims created a ruckus for reservations, the outrage would be on same lines as that of a jat outrage.

I am speaking of ghettoization on both sides and I already posted the truth about this Kairana displacement.. You can refer the thread below

https://defence.pk/threads/mass-mov...ghettoization-in-west-up.434610/#post-8375106

NHRC issued a notice for a report on kairana incident. let us see if people from both communities were targeted for protection money or are people specifically from one community were targeted and were forced to leave the town.

 

[The_Showstopper]

Does that include 27 women and 10 children that were charred to death in godhra train ? If only godhra muslims cared for these lives, 1000's of innocent souls would have been spared. now you decide who are the initial perpetrators.

Ok let me rephrase your logic... Had the Hindu rioters not killed, maimed and burnt the muslims during Bombay riots, you wouldn't have seen so many innocent lives lost in 1992 Train bombings. Now you decide, Does your logic make any sense?

How does reason doesn't matter ?? you going on streets demanding better standard of living or greater inclusion in India's development is different from rioting and destroying properties of your mother land for people of your community that are being killed in some foreign countries. These acts of muslims makes even the rationalist individuals start looking at them with suspicion and alienates them from other communities,this is what is happening to muslims in west today.

OK so burning and destroying properties of your motherland is OK when they suddenly decide that their sentiments have been hurt.

what did shiv sena/MNS achieved from these ? shiv sena lost its superiority in alliance to BJP and MNS hardly opened an account in Maharastra.

Its politics mate, they may lose and they may gain. I won't be surprised if they come back again.

jats protested for reservations and malda was for a stupid comment made by a no one in some other state. you see the differrence ? they both destroyed public and private properties both needs to be condemned and wish perpetrators were arrested. The outrage on jats is for demanding reservations despite their high social status, while malda turned the debate completely on to islam. had muslims created a ruckus for reservations, the outrage would be on same lines as that of a jat outrage.

Protested? They raped, burnt and destroyed... So are you telling me that it is ok to destroy the nation's property just because you aren't being pampered enough. Its OK for MNS/Shiv Sena goons to set Bombay on fire just because of a online post but something similar happening on a smaller scale because a community's religious figure has being insulted should not be tolerated.

NHRC issued a notice for a report on kairana incident. let us see if people from both communities were targeted for protection money or are people specifically from one community were targeted and were forced to leave the town.

It has already become clear, that this hoopla is all because of UP elections.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Reason could be anything but is the violence any lesser, it is sometimes much worse

Nope.

There is a huge difference between random hooliganism and desecration of national symbols.

One is a regular criminal offense, the other is sedition.

 

[The_Showstopper]

Nope.

There is a huge difference between random hooliganism and desecration of national symbols.

One is a regular criminal offense, the other is sedition.

And how does a roadside uneducated adolescent know what national symbols are?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

And how does a roadside uneducated adolescent know what national symbols are?

"Amar Jawan Jyoti"

It actually is our fault. The particular families involved in the Azad Maidan riots should have been dumped in the ocean. Nothing like that happened. Ordinary people will suffer in the future.

 

[The_Showstopper]

"Amar Jawan Jyoti"

It actually is our fault. The particular families involved in the Azad Maidan riots should have been dumped in the ocean. Nothing like that happened. Ordinary people will suffer in the future.

Are you planning to go in your troll mode?

Since you don't seem to have anything substantial to post..

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Are you planning to go in your troll mode?

Since you don't seem to have anything substantial to post..

Just trying to get some sense in your head. There is a difference between monkeying SS hooliganism against a bus and destroying a national symbol.

I don't have high expectations. I have had to shed blood enough to know who would be willing to listen to reason and who can only understand the sword.

 

[ranjeet]

Ok let me rephrase your logic... Had the Hindu rioters not killed, maimed and burnt the muslims during Bombay riots, you wouldn't have seen so many innocent lives lost in 1992 Train bombings. Now you decide, Does your logic make any sense?

Gujarat riots happened in spur of the moment unlike train bombing of 1992 which was a cold, calculated attack on India.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Gujarat riots happened in spur of the moment unlike train bombing of 1992 which was a cold, calculated attack on India.

Cold calculated attack that spared neither Hindus nor Muslims.

 

[The_Showstopper]

Just trying to get some sense in your head. There is a difference between monkeying SS hooliganism against a bus and destroying a national symbol.

LOL looks like man blinded by hate is trying to teach me sense... Well I asked you, How would a uneducated teen know what national symbols are?

I have had to shed blood enough to know who would be willing to listen to reason and who can only understand the sword.

You have already done that part....

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Well I asked you, How would a uneducated teen know what national symbols are?

'Uneducated' teens. Plural.

Even in Bodhgaya, 'uneducated teens' not knowing who 'Gautam Buddha' was, broke his statue. Not their fault.

I only feel bad that they were not 'educated' immediately, so that no mistake could be possible on their part in the future.