What Ganesha means to a Muslim like me

[Bang Galore]

I know, but I still expect some of them to understand how things work here and how our culture has evolved.

That's the crazy bit. They can't understand. The reference point about Pakistanis to most Indians (especially non-Muslim Indians) is Indian Muslims and to somehow believe they are the same. Doesn't work like that. Regardless of whatever similarities existed pre 1947, post the creation of Pakistan, there has been a cultural evolution akin to that which is known to happen in islands - for example, Darwin's finches or the Pod Mrcaru lizards. Pakistan is the equivalent of a cultural island for Muslims. They have evolved away from us in a manner that is very rarely appreciated, certainly not appreciated enough. Those who talk of being the same people etc...have no idea of what they are talking about, each generation has less & less in common. Muslims & non-muslims in India too have evolved in a different direction. That difference actually produces much more than the 3-4 generational shifts that you tend to expect in the time period.

You have to assume that they genuinely are perplexed (not all of them are, some will be) by your ideas.

 

[45'22']

If religion is a myth then why not you raise voice against Beef Ban

I neither support it nor i am against it...
This is a situation which will either way hurt the sentiment of people.....it will hurt the hindus.more becuase hindus consider the.cow.as holy and its.not written anywhere in quran to slaughter them......

It will be better to enforce the ban

 

[SarthakGanguly]

That's the crazy bit. They can't understand. The reference point about Pakistanis to most Indians (especially non-Muslim Indians) is Indian Muslims and to somehow believe they are the same. Doesn't work like that. Regardless of whatever similarities existed pre 1947, post the creation of Pakistan, there has been a cultural evolution akin to that which is known to happen in islands - for example, Darwin's finches or the Pod Mrcaru lizards. Pakistan is the equivalent of a cultural island for Muslims. They have evolved away from us in a manner that is very rarely appreciated, certainly not appreciated enough. Those who talk of being the same people etc...have no idea of what they are talking about, each generation has less & less in common. Muslims & non-muslims in India too have evolved in a different direction. That difference actually produces much more than the 3-4 generational shifts that you tend to expect in the time period.

You have to assume that they genuinely are perplexed (not all of them are, some will be) by your ideas.

Now you are writing just like me.

 

[45'22']

To illiterates it is
secondly No one is forcing it here dot head..
And islam ka theka Allah k paas hy Pakistani muslims or other muslims are not worth it..

There is no Allah....
Let the people live they want to live it....

I dont have a problem if a hindu eats beef simillarly you shouldnt have problem if a muslim wants to follow hinduism...
You have no right.to.judge

 

[Maarkhoor]

I neither support it nor i am against it...
This is a situation which will either way hurt the sentiment of people.....it will hurt the hindus.more becuase hindus consider the.cow.as holy and its.not written anywhere in quran to slaughter them......

It will be better to enforce the ban

Surah Al Baqrah
Verse 2.71
He said, "He says, 'It is a cow neither trained to plow the earth nor to irrigate the field, one free from fault with no spot upon her.' " They said, "Now you have come with the truth." So they slaughtered her, but they could hardly do it.

Surah Al Baqrah
Verse 2.71
He said, "He says, 'It is a cow neither trained to plow the earth nor to irrigate the field, one free from fault with no spot upon her.' " They said, "Now you have come with the truth." So they slaughtered her, but they could hardly do it.

Surah Al Baqrah
Verse 2.67
And [recall] when Moses said to his people, "Indeed, Allah commands you to slaughter a cow." They said, "Do you take us in ridicule?" He said, "I seek refuge in Allah from being among the ignorant."

 

[darksider]

you wahhab much, bro ?

Islam's basic rules are same for shias sunnis or wahhabis.
Being Shia don't mean they are allow to worship any body but Allah.
That's it.
You guys carry on with your false assumptions spacaily islamophic sarthakganguly.

 

[vsdoc]

Now you are writing just like me.

But he's older than you - both here and probably in real life as well.

So maybe you are writing like him?

Not a bad thing, in my book.

Incidentally, I share the very same opinion. Indian Muslims are Indian Muslims because they've always lived with Indian Hindus. And Parsis. And Sikhs. And Christians. And Jews. And Jains. And Buddhists.

 

[45'22']

Surah Al Baqrah
Verse 2.71
He said, "He says, 'It is a cow neither trained to plow the earth nor to irrigate the field, one free from fault with no spot upon her.' " They said, "Now you have come with the truth." So they slaughtered her, but they could hardly do it.

There is a difference between what one could and what one should.....i am talking about the should part??

is it written in quran that the cow.shiuld be slaightered at any cost?

 

[EAK]

There is no Allah....
Let the people live they want to live it....

I dont have a problem if a hindu eats beef simillarly you shouldnt have problem if a muslim wants to follow hinduism...
You have no right.to.judge

Whatever suits you dot head..
Exchanging idea's is always good.. no one is forcing no one here.. so save your rants..
i m not judging anyone here .. i am just making my point clear about Islam and its teaching.. which people are trying to mix here.. thats it.. so its none of your problem too if you are an atheist e.t.c .. peace

 

[ito]

If religion is a myth then why not you raise voice against Beef Ban

Majority of Hindus are indifferent towards beef ban. As beef ban doesn't effect them directly hence not much voice is raised.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

But he's older than you - both here and probably in real life as well.

So maybe you are writing like him?

Not a bad thing, in my book.

Incidentally, I share the very same opinion. Indian Muslims are Indian Muslims because they've always lived with Indian Hindus. And Parsis. And Sikhs. And Christians. And Jews. And Jains. And Buddhists.

Nooooooooooo.

Whatever suits you dot head..
Exchanging idea's is always good.. no one is forcing no one here.. so save your rants..
i m not judging anyone here .. i am just making my point clear about Islam and its teaching.. which people are trying to mix here.. thats it.. so its none of your problem too if you are an atheist e.t.c .. peace

Peace
Signed (dot head)

 

[Maarkhoor]

There is a difference between what one could and what one should.....i am talking about the should part??

is it written in quran that the cow.shiuld be slaightered at any cost?

Surah Al Baqrah
Verse 2.67
And [recall] when Moses said to his people, "Indeed, Allah commands you to slaughter a cow." They said, "Do you take us in ridicule?" He said, "I seek refuge in Allah from being among the ignorant."

Source: What Ganesha means to a Muslim like me | Page 5

 

[45'22']

Whatever suits you dot head..
i m not judging anyone here .. i am just making my point clear about Islam and its teaching.. which people are trying to mix here.. thats it.. so its none of your problem too if you are an atheist e.t.c .. peace

You are teaching??
who do you think you are lol

You dont have to.preach.....follow what you.like.....let others do what they want

You dont have to teach religion lol

 

[darksider]

nope dear.. ehle sunnat a.k.a sunni .. why you ask that..

They think Islam's other sects don't follow towheed.
I know where he is coming from.
I just saw an interview of hindu leader forget his name saying that we need to devide Muslims and unite Hindus.
That's why these Hindus islamophics use words Shia sunni or wahhabis a lot even on this forum also.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Indeed, Allah commands you to slaughter a cow

Declare WAR on the cows...

 

[Maarkhoor]

Declare WAR on the cows...

Not war we love Beef