What fighter aircraft Iran should buy after 2020

[Hack-Hook]

F22 Raptor?

well we sooner can buy F-22 than any other plane mentioned here.


but honestly if we want a bomber our best option is to develop a more capable version of Simorgh
if we want a fighter jet our best option is to invest in AI and develop something in line of Dark Sword

 

[TheImmortal]

well we sooner can buy F-22 than any other plane mentioned here.


but honestly if we want a bomber our best option is to develop a more capable version of Simorgh
if we want a fighter jet our best option is to invest in AI and develop something in line of Dark Sword

Why is it so hard for people to understand you cannot just simply JUMP ahead in technology without building a base.

If you can’t build the skeleton of a 4th gen then no matter what you do you won’t be able to build a 6th gen.

It’s like saying Iran shouldn’t bother with nuclear fission for energy and should jump straight to nuclear fusion.

Or Iran shouldn’t build a V6 sports car it should jump straight to V12 supercar.

Iran lacks critically in area of powerful airborne radars, airborne jammers, airborn data link systems, airborne targeting pods, airborne EW and ECW, and engines.

So even if you made the body of a Lamborghini, but the insides are still a peykan...then it’s not really a Lamborghini now is it mate?

 

[GWXP]

Why is it so hard for people to understand you cannot just simply JUMP ahead in technology without building a base.

If you can’t build the skeleton of a 4th gen then no matter what you do you won’t be able to build a 6th gen.

It’s like saying Iran shouldn’t bother with nuclear fission for energy and should jump straight to nuclear fusion.

Or Iran shouldn’t build a V6 sports car it should jump straight to V12 supercar.

Iran lacks critically in area of powerful airborne radars, airborne jammers, airborn data link systems, airborne targeting pods, airborne EW and ECW, and engines.

So even if you made the body of a Lamborghini, but the insides are still a peykan...then it’s not really a Lamborghini now is it mate?

I remember Americans saying the same things about China back in 2000s. People claimed that China can't design a 4th generation fighter. What was a surprise when China unveiled two 5th generation fighters in 2010.

Of course Iran lacks many things, required for building a modern fighter, but Iran builds modernized F-5 with new avionics and radar-(Iranian build F-5 Kowsar is comparable to 4th generation JF-17), builds Kowsar 88 trainer jets and F-313.

There is enough experience to start designing its own advanced fighter and the time it will take to develop powerful radars, airborne jammers, data link systems and targeting pods---15 years - enough time to develop all these by 2035---all you need is money and action

 

[TheImmortal]

I remember Americans saying the same things about China back in 2000s. People claimed that China can't design a 4th generation fighter. What was a surprise when China unveiled two 5th generation fighters in 2010.

Of course Iran lacks many things, required for building a modern fighter, but Iran builds modernized F-5 with new avionics and radar-(Iranian build F-5 Kowsar is comparable to 4th generation JF-17), builds Kowsar 88 trainer jets and F-313.

There is enough experience to start designing its own advanced fighter and the time it will take to develop powerful radars, airborne jammers, data link systems and targeting pods---15 years - enough time to develop all these by 2035---all you need is money and action

Have you hit your head?

China has building reverse engineered Soviet planes since the 70’s. China has been building heavy subs, destroyers, warships, etc longer for decades.

Iran hasn’t managed to build more than 20 refurbished F-5’s in 3 decades.

China has forced foreign companies to transfer tech, has stolen IP, and engaged in military espionage. Not to mention China is under zero sanctions and has zero trouble getting access to foreign tech. All the while it has the 2nd biggest miltary budget in the world.

Comparing China to Iran is like comparing NK to Iran. North Korea can never be Iran and Iran can never be China.

So stop the absurd comparisons.

It doesn’t matter if Iran could create a 5th gen fighter today, if you can’t make 100 or 200 of them then it’s as valuable as a rats fart now isn’t it?

 

[GWXP]

Have you hit your head?

China has building reverse engineered Soviet planes since the 70’s. China has been building heavy subs, destroyers, warships, etc longer for decades.

Iran hasn’t managed to build more than 20 refurbished F-5’s in 3 decades.

China has forced foreign companies to transfer tech, has stolen IP, and engaged in military espionage. Not to mention China is under zero sanctions and has zero trouble getting access to foreign tech. All the while it has the 2nd biggest miltary budget in the world.

Comparing China to Iran is like comparing NK to Iran. North Korea can never be Iran and Iran can never be China.

So stop the absurd comparisons.

It doesn’t matter if Iran could create a 5th gen fighter today, if you can’t make 100 or 200 of them then it’s as valuable as a rats fart now isn’t it?

Your claims doesn't make sense. No one talks about building destroyers, subs -these are technologies from 1950s. China in 70s was reverse engineering 3rd generation planes and built destroyers, heavy subs, but back then was unable to built Bavar-373 like air-defense system. Also unlike China, which tries to build a blue water navy,Iran as a regional country doesn't need heavy subs and large destroyers

We are talking about aerospace industry.
People were talking about China in 2000s the same way you talk about Iran today. Claiming they can barely copy Russian fighter and can't create truly indigenous 4th generation on their own and then in 2010 J-20 and J-31 was unveiled.

Even 15 years ago claiming that Iran can make Sejjil missile, Sayyad 2 missile, Soumar or Bavar 373 today would bring in someone like you who would claim it is impossible and that the best Iran can do is to copy North Korean Scud missile-Shahab 3 and cannibalize F-5 parts, and long range air defense system was claimed to be impossible to be made in Iran.

Now Iran, after sufficient efforts and investment, is in top countries producing air defense systems, UAVS and radars.

As for comparing NK to Iran, arrogant people like you missed how NK created a thermonuclear arsenal of 60 warheads and created an ICBM with 80 ton liquid fuel engine (claimed to be developed jointly with Iran)---before that people like you were talking about how backward is North Korea and Scud is the best they can make in 40 years.

Iran today is like China in 1995. If someone said in 1995 that in 15 years, in 2010 China will be ahead of Russia and will have J-20 and J-31 everybody would laugh.

Iran "wasn't able to build more than 20 refurbished F-5 in 3 decades", but now works on F-313 and Kowsar 88, builds advanced UAVs and advanced air defense systems and with sufficient efforts and with help from China Iran can turn F-313 into 5th generation fighter by 2035. And by 2040 it will enter serial production (don't know in what numbers)

 

[randomradio]

What naive imbecile thinks the arms embargo is coming off next year?

The West is mobilizing an anti-Iran Force around the world and you think suddenly they will agree to remove arms embargo restrictions at U.N. level?

US has veto power and will veto any U.N. resolution to remove the embargo.

The US will need a new UNSC vote in order to place sanctions on Iran again.

Either way, US could simply say anyone who sells arms to Iran will be subject to US sanctions and deny access to US financial system.

So that would leave Russia and china as only suitors. And Russia will not risk its arms deals with other clients over tiny arms deals with Iran. China is also very unreliable.

The sanctions on Russia have already been placed through CAATSA, but the Russians don't really care. They are now dealing in rubles directly for weapons. Due to oil, they already have a trade surplus so they have plenty of forex.

And it's not like the Iranians will buy anything else other than Russian systems.

So any attempt by the US to sanction Iran will have to be unilateral, which Russia won't recognise.

 

[TheImmortal]

The US will need a new UNSC vote in order to place sanctions on Iran again.



The sanctions on Russia have already been placed through CAATSA, but the Russians don't really care. They are now dealing in rubles directly for weapons. Due to oil, they already have a trade surplus so they have plenty of forex.

And it's not like the Iranians will buy anything else other than Russian systems.

So any attempt by the US to sanction Iran will have to be unilateral, which Russia won't recognise.

You must be new.

Go research Iranian-Russian arms deals since 1990.

Russia uses arms deals as bargaining chips with the west.

I am sure Iran would love to have another incident where it orders a major military weapon and receives it 8 years later when it’s more obsolete.

 

[randomradio]

You must be new.

Go research Iranian-Russian arms deals since 1990.

Russia uses arms deals as bargaining chips with the west.

I am sure Iran would love to have another incident where it orders a major military weapon and receives it 8 years later when it’s more obsolete.

Iran's main focus is indigenisation, and the Russians are helping out. They are now coming out with their own tank, air defence etc where they own IPR, all based on Russian tech. Naturally, they can't make advanced aircraft on their own, so the Russians expect multi-billion dollar deals for fighter jets, helicopters and such after 2020. The same with ships and submarines.

As for Russia, the US has already placed multiple sanctions on Russia, so it's likely that the Russians will stop cooperating with the US in any sphere. The Ukraine crisis has changed the dynamics of the US-Russia relations already, so any history of past cooperation is going to be irrelevant in the present time. It's now in Russian interests to prop up the Iranian regime. The US has to practically admit defeat and lift sanctions on Russia if they want any changes in the Russian-Iran relations, which is quite unlikely.

 

[AmirPatriot]

Iran could still face snap back provisions before 2020.

Since the US is not in the nuclear deal anymore and has no say in it, this wouldn't happen as long as Iran stays in the deal. Of course as I said the US would still pressure sellers unilaterally.