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“Israel's contribution to US military intelligence is greater than all NATO countries combined.”General Keegan, former chief of US Air Force Intelligence, asserted that “the scope of intelligence gained by the US from Israel is equal to five CIAs.” -- Senator Daniel Inouye

US special operations forces are trained in Israel in battle tactics and counter-terrorism experience.Israeli experience played a role in defeating terrorists in Iraq's “Sunni Triangle.” --Brig. General Michael Vane
Israel's destruction of a nuclear factory in Syria in 2007 and Iraq in 1981dealt serious deterrence to the anti-Western Syria-Iran-North Korea axis.

By destroying Soviet surface to air missiles in 1982, Israel was able to share information on tactics and technological information vital to the US military and defense industries. During the Cold War, Israel transferred to the US captured Soviet combat aircraft, radar and other military systems


Israel saved the Kingdom of Jordan from being invaded and taken over by Syria's Assad regime in 1970, avoiding a dramatic setback to US national security.

“Israel is the largest, most battle-tested and cost-effective US aircraft carrier, which does not require even one American soldier, cannot be sunk and is located in a critical region for American national security and economic interests. If Israel did not exist – the US would have to deploy a few additional aircraft carriers to the Mediterranean, along with tens of thousands of military personnel, costing the US taxpayers $20BN annually and dragging the US into additional regional and international confrontations.” -- the late General Alexander Haig, who was the Supreme Commander of NATO and US Secretary of State

Israel's purchases and deployment of new military technologies and systems, some of which are jointly developed, contribute to US national security, employment, research & development and exports to other allies. In addition, Israel is a battle-proven laboratory.

Israel's high tech industries and US subsidiaries have been instrumental in revolutionizing computing, telecommunication, medicine, nanotechnology, energy and water efficiencies that contributed to the booms of the 1990s and 2000s in the US.


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Yes I support Israel.
Just a question if you don't mind: are you a Japanese person living in the US or an American of Japanese origin? I ask this because I thought it was rare for Japanese to be strongly pro Israel.
 
“Israel's contribution to US military intelligence is greater than all NATO countries combined.”General Keegan, former chief of US Air Force Intelligence, asserted that “the scope of intelligence gained by the US from Israel is equal to five CIAs.” -- Senator Daniel Inouye

Cannot find this quote anywhere besides on pro-Israel blogs. Please provide credible source.

US special operations forces are trained in Israel in battle tactics and counter-terrorism experience.Israeli experience played a role in defeating terrorists in Iraq's “Sunni Triangle.” --Brig. General Michael Vane

Cannot find these quote anywhere. Also it's a joke, US is most experienced army in urban warfare and counter-terrorism operations and they teach all forces of world. US came up with most battlefield tactics. Israel teaches them nothing.

Israel's destruction of a nuclear factory in Syria in 2007 and Iraq in 1981dealt serious deterrence to the anti-Western Syria-Iran-North Korea axis.

'Deterrence'? From what? :lol:

US and its allies are intervening in region, not other way around. This means nothing either. And was counterproductive, Iraq was on its way to being an ally with US along with economic powerhouse of ME. We would have gained much more out of that relationship.

During the Cold War, Israel transferred to the US captured Soviet combat aircraft, radar and other military systems

Means nothing, Israel also transferred US F-16 tech to China and used Jonathan Pollard to steal US confidential information.
Israel saved the Kingdom of Jordan from being invaded and taken over by Syria's Assad regime in 1970, avoiding a dramatic setback to US national security.

o_O :rofl:

“Israel is the largest, most battle-tested and cost-effective US aircraft carrier, which does not require even one American soldier, cannot be sunk and is located in a critical region for American national security and economic interests. If Israel did not exist – the US would have to deploy a few additional aircraft carriers to the Mediterranean, along with tens of thousands of military personnel, costing the US taxpayers $20BN annually and dragging the US into additional regional and international confrontations.” -- the late General Alexander Haig, who was the Supreme Commander of NATO and US Secretary of State

Also can't find this quote.
Israel's purchases and deployment of new military technologies and systems, some of which are jointly developed, contribute to US national security, employment, research & development and exports to other allies. In addition, Israel is a battle-proven laboratory.

Nonsense, US funds everything and provides much of technology. 'Battle-proven' meaning killing Palestinian children under occupation is immoral. Yet somehow you claim supporting this is moral duty of US. As if US is a holy country filling world with justice. Stupid fruitloop.
 
Religious Propaganda:

US support for Israel is "Religious in nature" as many Christians in USA believe that supporting Israel unconditionally will bring them closer to Jesus , this is main stream radio which run these propaganda locally on Radios, churches run their talk shows discussing why Christians must love Jews , to find Jesus

> Fanatic ideology is that in end of time Israel will be attacked and those who will support it will go to heaven or get Jesus love

Elite Rich class Enforces , Government:

US congress/ Senate is predominantly composed of people who come to power due to financial support during their campaigns , which are funded by CORPORATIONS and the elite include wealthy who happen to have Jewish Ancestry, the elections that are in control of people , are only done once 2 candidates emerge who are "PRESELECTED" to be ISRAEL friendly

**Note review presidential debates and you will see all candidates will say same answer to Israel policy unconditional support , in way its a message to the elite class that fund our campaign and we will keep the policies as is


Influence of Media :


Media is ever present to rally up support for Israel , again funded by owners who are themselves Jewish thru ancestry or who receive financial aid to write in favor of Israel. Media also includes the Hollywood Directors , Actors and guild who make 10-20 movies per year devoted to Holocaust in some form or another.


Strategic Base:
Israel also is a strategic base to be close to Russia and a door way that protects also Gulf countries from Turkish invasion into Gulf states



US Government Structure (FOOD CHAIN)



Elite Ultra Rich Class
Controls Corporations , Media , Banks, old migrant Jews
These were the rich class that migrate old civilization of Turkish Empire or Europe
They moved their wealth across their migration and setting up their own traditional formats
of commerce (Banking , Interest providing , Loans etc or buying Media outlets)

Israel is a "Idealogical" center for these elite class

Many of them were kicked out of there during Roman Empire days which forced them to move their wealth out to other parts of world Europe or else where , and around 1900 they started to move into USA as migrants in1800

Federal Reserve

An entity that controls interest and lives of people indirectly.

Corporations/Banks/News Channels
They fund presidential campaigns get politicians elected, their Job is to bring up 2-3 candidates who share the Goals of Elite class , they want to make sure that the people up for selection are strictly choose and preselected


<M.E.D.I.A>
Is the command and control center controlling over Politicians, Police , Army , People

Speak against , and your character is assassinated (You will be shown as liar, cheating)
Speak against ,your employer will be questioned about your employment (fired from job)
Speak against , and your general will lose his job because he questioned the war
Speak against it will question the motive why you made Crucifixion of Jesus movie

Speak against and your political career is over due to scandal
Speak against and you will not get a role in Hollywood
Speak against and you will be labelled hippie culture , hippie , druggie, don't question the guy who authorized killing of Vietnamese but those who opposed it call them hippie and dirty

Speak against and you will be called Commie , Islamist , Libral
Speak against and you will be forced to run to Russia if you happen to be Snowden



Political Parties and Selected Politicians
Keep same policy on Israel , provide weapon , money , aid - their Job is to do as their masters informed them , because they will get rewarded by power & wealth and rank locally.

Note all the candidates always say same on Israel never a candidate that speaks against?


Military / Police (Enforcers)
Foot-soldiers , they implement the will of Empire their role is to make sure Public does not stands up against the system or talk about Federal Reserve or the Corporations , or why they must support Israel ? Their role is to use force to silence voices, overseas their role is implement the policies that favor corporations, any logical thinking is "removed" as part of training and the unit or group is trained to take orders , as given to them


----------------------------------(The bottom of food chain)-------------------------------------------------
General Public
That is given a false assumption they are in control , when their votes merely select between 2-3 candidates who are essentially promoting the same "Mandate" for Top of Food chain

When public demonstrates , they are controlled by the Foot Soldiers (Police / Military), or by raising interest rates by Banks

They are promised a social security check when they retire if the continue to pay "Mortgage" interest to banks - and continue to buy Stocks for CORPORATIONS
Worker class = General Public


This group lives pay cheque to pay cheque or max can last with out job for 1 year


The question should be "WHAT DO THE ELITE CLASS GETS BY SUPPORTING ISRAEL"


The movie 4th of July is a example of how the elite take advantage of the general population
Very powerful move by Tom Cruise


However as usual the media does not talks about such movies , instead they talk about how Tom Cruise is a Scientology freak and has problems because he does not follows the normal beliefs, Even Mel Gibson was harassed by media after he made movie about Jesus





 
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Just a question if you don't mind: are you a Japanese person living in the US or an American of Japanese origin? I ask this because I thought it was rare for Japanese to be strongly pro Israel.

I'm Japanese studying and working in the U.S.A.

The Japanese Government and people , generally, have very favorable views of Israel and Israeli people.

Anyways, this year we have signed an industrial & military R&D pact with them:

Israel, Japan Sign First Industrial R&D Agreement - Global Agenda - News - Arutz Sheva
 
Yes I support Israel.

And tell us for what, you don't support them for rational reasons. No normal person fanatically displays his support to any country around the world. People that are into politics analyze global developments. They don't cheer-lead in fanatical way like you do.

I'm Japanese studying and working in the U.S.A.

The Japanese Government and people , generally, have very favorable views of Israel and Israeli people.

Anyways, this year we have signed an industrial & military R&D pact with them:

Israel, Japan Sign First Industrial R&D Agreement - Global Agenda - News - Arutz Sheva

Having favorable views is not the same thing as supporting Israel. It just means they don't really have anything against Israel. And that's because they have little knowledge on the ME region or its politics. And asking that question provides no accurate summary of the views of the Japanese people which you, a Christian, don't represent as majority aren't Christian.

@Nihonjin1051

It's not Christian of you to support occupation/oppression/evil. Here are some Bible verses talking about this:

Proverbs 14:31 ESV / 48 helpful votes
Whoever oppresses a poor man insults his Maker, but he who is generous to the needy honors him.


Psalm 9:9 ESV / 46 helpful votes
The Lord is a stronghold for the oppressed, a stronghold in times of trouble.


Psalm 34:18 ESV / 37 helpful votes
The Lord is near to the brokenhearted and saves the crushed in spirit.


Psalm 72:4 ESV / 32 helpful votes
May he defend the cause of the poor of the people, give deliverance to the children of the needy, and crush the oppressor!


..........................

It's clear that according to Jesus God will support the oppressed Palestinians with steadfastness/spirit/courage/inspiration. And according to Jesus God will crush the oppressor(you/Israel). You oppose Jesus's teachings, and if he came down to earth today you would rebel against him. Because he supported honesty and justice while you're wicked according to the bible.
 
And tell us for what, you don't support them for rational reasons. No normal person fanatically displays his support to any country around the world. People that are into politics analyze global developments. They don't cheer-lead in fanatical way like you do.



Having favorable views is not the same thing as supporting Israel. It just means they don't really have anything against Israel. And that's because they have little knowledge on the ME region or its politics. And asking that question provides no accurate summary of the views of the Japanese people which you, a Christian, don't represent as majority aren't Christian.

@Nihonjin1051

It's not Christian of you to support occupation/oppression/evil. Here are some Bible verses talking about this:

Proverbs 14:31 ESV / 48 helpful votes
Whoever oppresses a poor man insults his Maker, but he who is generous to the needy honors him.


Psalm 9:9 ESV / 46 helpful votes
The Lord is a stronghold for the oppressed, a stronghold in times of trouble.


Psalm 34:18 ESV / 37 helpful votes
The Lord is near to the brokenhearted and saves the crushed in spirit.


Psalm 72:4 ESV / 32 helpful votes
May he defend the cause of the poor of the people, give deliverance to the children of the needy, and crush the oppressor!


..........................

It's clear that according to Jesus God will support the oppressed Palestinians with steadfastness/spirit/courage/inspiration. And according to Jesus God will crush the oppressor(you/Israel). You oppose Jesus's teachings, and if he came down to earth today you would rebel against him. Because he supported honesty and justice while you're wicked according to the bible.

Is not a man allowed to convey his own conjecture ? Or are you the only one allowed to do so? Secondly, please save me the holier than thou repertoire, my friend. Who are you to judge ? Surely you are not Providence who alone judges. :)

You oppose Jesus's teachings, and if he came down to earth today you would rebel against him. Because he supported honesty and justice while you're wicked according to the bible.

Perhaps I may have views that oppose your own. My relationship with God is between me and God, its not for you or anyone to criticize.

Lastly, don't judge, my friend.
 
Is not a man allowed to convey his own conjecture ? Or are you the only one allowed to do so? Secondly, please save me the holier than thou repertoire, my friend. Who are you to judge ? Surely you are not Providence who alone judges. :)



Perhaps I may have views that oppose your own. My relationship with God is between me and God, its not for you or anyone to criticize.

Lastly, don't judge, my friend.

LOL, I'm not judging, I'm observing that you and the Bible are on opposite poles. :lol:

This is generalizing, and it's called saying the right thing. :)

That is the truth. :)
 
LOL, I'm not judging, I'm observing that you and the Bible are on opposite poles. :lol:

This is generalizing, and it's called saying the right thing. :)

That is the truth. :)

Listen, my friend, I don't want to engage in a petty argument with you denying something that you already said. Its best we not indulge in religious-based discussions and stick to policy-related discourse. Lastly, i would request that you show some respect when you discuss with me, please don't engage in name calling or hurling unnecessary invectives. As I think that is beneath us, right? As i have not once called your character in question.

I hope you can respectfully consider my requests.

Regards,
 
Listen, my friend, I don't want to engage in a petty argument with you denying something that you already said. Its best we not indulge in religious-based discussions and stick to policy-related discourse. Lastly, i would request that you show some respect when you discuss with me, please don't engage in name calling or hurling unnecessary invectives. As I think that is beneath us, right? As i have not once called your character in question.

I hope you can respectfully consider my requests.

Regards,

Don't call me friend. Secondly, you are claiming your support is of moral ground. Also that the US has a moral duty in supporting Israel. And have in the best posted Bible verses claiming God defends modern day Israel and many other Bible verses referencing your support. So you need to face the truth about it.
 
Don't call me friend. Secondly, you are claiming your support is of moral ground. Also that the US has a moral duty in supporting Israel. And have in the best posted Bible verses claiming God defends modern day Israel and many other Bible verses referencing your support. So you need to face the truth about it.

1. Did i ever mention my position being in moral high ground? Did i claim this? If not, then why are you making things up?

2. I haven't been posting bible verses, but it has been you, in an attempt to take the "moral high ground"

3. Can you debate without having to take it personal? Take a deep breath, and collect your thoughts.

4. As I said before in my last post, I DO NOT want to engage in religious debate with you because it is against forum rules. Keep everything policy related. Thanks.
 
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