What does being a liberal mean?

[Verve]

Please show me any post where I have accused anyone over the Bhensa saga. I have consistently maintained that whatever they did deserves proper legal process and punishment if found guilty according to the applicable law, not illegal abductions, whoever the abductors might be, unknown at this point. If they are found guilty of blasphemy, then by all means hang them if that is what the law specifies as punishment. But do it properly. And find and punish the abductors too, whoever they are, after a fair investigation.

It is you who are accusing me in your post above of something which I have not done.

No need to get in this again as you and your lies have been exposed in the other thread already.

 

[VCheng]

No need to get in this again as you and your lies have been exposed in the other thread already.

LOL. Thank you for accepting that you have nothing to base your false accusation above.

 

[Verve]

LOL. Thank you for accepting that you have nothing to base your false accusation above.

I can't be bothered to copy and paste it all here. It's all there showing your lies for everyone to see.

If you want to continue in that thread, fine. Let's go.

 

[I.R.A]

And who taught you that Islam is liberal when Islam is only Islam. Who taught you to start categorising it as liberal and whatnot.

Don't you think humans by birth are liberal? The Creator created us humans free, with freedom to chose and make our own decisions, Isn't it enough to prove that Divine law for humans is liberty to chose and then be accountable for one's own actions? Unlike other creations humans can think different and act different make their own decisions and violate already set rules and laws, a bee would always live to follow the Divine law set for it so would an ant and their respective queens, but humans well no one human is similar to another.

Quran is the guidance, it invites humans to think, to research and ponder upon the signs ............. the freedom to think, conclude and act is all liberalism.

Oscar correctly identified the problem, we have the wrong definition and wrong representatives of liberalism.

 

[WarFariX]

A true liberal never forces his views upon anyone else. If others see any good, they will follow him voluntarily, just like Muhammad PBUH convinced his followers, not by his sword, but by his behavior and conduct.

thyen y the hell use the word liberal?/ kia liberal word use kiye baghair hum oxygen andar nai lesakte?? its a dual faced styrategy of liberals to talk according to situation dear sir

liberal means accepting others views and trying out them in some cases which Our Respected prophet Muhammad S.A never did....he allowed others to practice their religion and thats a rule in islam not "a liberal view"..if u think that being liberal only will allow u to let others practice their faith then u r degrading islam in a sense that u r portraying islam as if it doesnt allow us to let others peacefully practice

Don't you think humans by birth are liberal? The Creator created us humans free, with freedom to chose and make our own decisions, Isn't it enough to prove that Divine law for humans is liberty to chose and then be accountable for one's own actions? Unlike other creations humans can think different and act different make their own decisions and violate already set rules and laws, a bee would always live to follow the Divine law set for it so would an ant and their respective queens, but humans well no one human is similar to another.

Quran is the guidance, it invites humans to think, to research and ponder upon the signs ............. the freedom to think, conclude and act is all liberalism.

Oscar correctly identified the problem, we have the wrong definition and wrong representatives of liberalism.

free to chose our own decisions ?? i have seen 99% ;liberals at the age of 17 above then start saying my life my rulz , who r parents to make decisions while apko bara kia maa baap ne qurbanian den aur ap unke paison par palay ho..then gustakhian by saying ma life ma rullzzz

That is not exactly liberalism either

At least not in modern context definition

Today's liberal ideals entail accepting a physically normal 55 year old man into a female toilet without any mental evaluation or otherwise just because he says he feels "female"

chaa gaye oscar bhai..exactly the liberalism of original definition they r talking abt is very different from what we see today,,,today's liberalism is more of the pre islamic times liberalism in which every thing bad happened...

 

[Musafir117]

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@Horus @Zarvan this person verve is awesome for our aims

fit for jacket? I mean physically or spiritually?

 

[I.R.A]

free to chose our own decisions ?? i have seen 99% ;liberals at the age of 17 above then start saying my life my rulz , who r parents to make decisions while apko bara kia maa baap ne qurbanian den aur ap unke paison par palay ho..then gustakhian by saying ma life ma rullzzz

Please reread what I said, you are taking it in an entirely different direction ............... however, you won't be asked any questions about your parents' actions neither your parents would answer for your actions. The Creator has bestowed intelligence and will of their own upon humans, they are free to think, understand and act, they are not like Sun or Moon or Angles who follow a predefined law set for them.

 

[WarFariX]

Please reread what I said, you are taking it in an entirely different direction ............... however, you won't be asked any questions about your parents' actions neither your parents would answer for your actions. The Creator has bestowed intelligence and will of their own upon humans, they are free to think, understand and act, they are not like Sun or Moon or Angles who follow a predefined law set for them.

my dear brother , i defined liberal of 21st century and ;liberalism is currently high in west and this is what we see..and the liberals of subcontinents r actually western inspired people so i made a judgement based on what we see..of course Allah made us separate humans with indepoandant thinking and wills

Please reread what I said, you are taking it in an entirely different direction ............... however, you won't be asked any questions about your parents' actions neither your parents would answer for your actions. The Creator has bestowed intelligence and will of their own upon humans, they are free to think, understand and act, they are not like Sun or Moon or Angles who follow a predefined law set for them.

however if (forgive me if i misunderstood) u anyhow mean that parents wont answer our or will we and if ur aim is that parents should not be taken toooo seriously then my dear friend , surah haam meem states to obey ur parents and dont even do uff to their orderings..many places in Quran Majeed states these things ,,,,i would recommend bukhari to be read and correct the understanding

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fit for jacket? I mean physically or spiritually?

what are u taking about and which jacket r u referring to -_-

 

[RoadRunner401]

Islam is Islam. That's it.

You can however say that Liberalism took some aspects of Islam but not the other way around as concept of liberalism didn't exist in Mecca.



And who taught you that Islam is liberal when Islam is only Islam. Who taught you to start categorizing it as liberal and whatnot.

"Islam is Islam" what does that mean?

 

[WarFariX]

"Islam is Islam" what does that mean?

it means the religion "islam " is what it is and what it was made ....it is not a subdivision of something that modern secualrs made wat thay called it as liberalism...islam has boundaries...liberalism doesnt

 

[Verve]

Don't you think humans by birth are liberal? The Creator created us humans free, with freedom to chose and make our own decisions, Isn't it enough to prove that Divine law for humans is liberty to chose and then be accountable for one's own actions? Unlike other creations humans can think different and act different make their own decisions and violate already set rules and laws, a bee would always live to follow the Divine law set for it so would an ant and their respective queens, but humans well no one human is similar to another.

Quran is the guidance, it invites humans to think, to research and ponder upon the signs ............. the freedom to think, conclude and act is all liberalism.

Oscar correctly identified the problem, we have the wrong definition and wrong representatives of liberalism.

Humans by birth are muslims, why replace muslim with liberal?! Then the parents choose their religion for them, they do not choose it for themselves until a much later age (if they do) hence you are wrong to say that we have a choice when that choice is made for us by our parents!

Creator has given us free will but the Creator has also laid down clear guidelines and parameters. Rewards and Punishments are prescribed for our deeds, if adhering to or in breach of these guidelines and parameters. Divine law for humans is Islam, and Allah says that repeatedly in the Quran.

Quran teaches you Islam, not liberalism.

Fools, propagandists and those with weak faith in Allah are replacing Islam with liberalism. How difficult is it for you to understand that Islam is unique and has no parallels so labelling it as liberalism is wrong. Islam is above all and can't be compared with any man made concept, such as liberalism.

Quran is word of Allah, do you believe in that? If yes, Allah calls our deen Islam, not liberalism. If you do not believe, then by all means paint it with liberalism and whatnot - you will be accountable for your actions.

Treat this life as a short test. Don't make Islam complicated and don't try it to look at it through some man made concept either. Core Divine guidelines are simple to follow, nothing complicated or difficult in them.

 

[Verve]

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fit for jacket? I mean physically or spiritually?

You may say physically and another may say not. But Allah knows best.

 

[WarFariX]

Humans by birth are muslims, why replace muslim with liberal?! Then the parents choose their religion for them, they do not choose it for themselves until a much later age (if they do) hence you are wrong to say that we have a choice when that choice is made for us by our parents!

Creator has given us free will but the Creator has also laid down clear guidelines and parameters. Rewards and Punishments are prescribed for our deeds, if adhering to or in breach of these guidelines and parameters. Divine law for humans is Islam, and Allah says that repeatedly in the Quran.

Quran teaches you Islam, not liberalism.

Fools, propagandists and those with weak faith in Allah are replacing Islam with liberalism. How difficult is it for you to understand that Islam is unique and has no parallels so labelling it as liberalism is wrong. Islam is above all and can't be compared with any man made concept, such as liberalism.

Quran is word of Allah, do you believe in that? If yes, Allah calls our deen Islam, not liberalism. If you do not believe, then by all means paint it with liberalism and whatnot - you will be accountable for your actions.

Treat this life as a short test. Don't make Islam complicated and don't try it to look at it through some man made concept either. Core Divine guidelines are simple to follow, nothing complicated or difficult in them.

wish i was elite member to give u positive rating..btw who gave u this positive rating?

 

[RoadRunner401]

it means the religion "islam " is what it is and what it was made ....it is not a subdivision of something that modern secualrs made what they called it as liberalism...

Clueless are preaching Religion they themselves don't understand and when asked to explain they come up with this gem "Islam has boundaries...liberalism doesn't.


Liberalism= liberty and equality for all

Islam=Beloved Prophet Muhammad, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him

All mankind is from Adam and Eve. An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab, nor does a non-Arab have any superiority over an Arab; a white has no superiority over a black, nor does a black have any superiority over a white; [none have superiority over another] except by piety and good action.


In the same sermon he warns us of the Devil

Beware of Satan, for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope that he will ever be able to lead you astray in big things

 

[WarFariX]

Clueless are preaching Religion they themselves don't understand and when asked to explain they come up with this gem "Islam has boundaries...liberalism doesn't.


Liberalism= liberty and equality for all

Islam=Beloved Prophet Muhammad, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him

All mankind is from Adam and Eve. An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab, nor does a non-Arab have any superiority over an Arab; a white has no superiority over a black, nor does a black have any superiority over a white; [none have superiority over another] except by piety and good action.


In the same sermon he warns us of the Devil

Beware of Satan, for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope that he will ever be able to lead you astray in big things

says who who cant explain definition of islam....so u mean that when islam arrrived , early muslims said "yes i believe in Allah And Accept Muhammad as his last messenger and my religion which is liberalism" -_- ....u mean islam doesnt give equality to all???? its not islam that ignores equality rathers its different societies which r not upto islam and make inequalities...liberty is not for everything..who said we r given liberty . we muslims have submitted ourselves to Allah and our sole responsibility is to follow his orders...thats not what liberty of ur definition explains