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Link: What Did China’s First Daughter Find in America? - The New Yorker


On a sunny morning last May, a member of Harvard’s graduating class received her diploma and prepared to depart from campus as quietly as she had arrived. Xi Mingze—the only child of Xi Jinping, the President of China, and his wife, the celebrity soprano Peng Liyuan—crossed the podium at Adams House, the dorm that housed Franklin Roosevelt and Henry Kissinger. She had studied psychology and English and lived under an assumed name, her identity known only to a limited number of faculty and close friends—“less than ten,” according to Kenji Minemura, a correspondent for the Asahi Shimbun, who attended the commencement and wrote about Xi’s experience in America.


Xi Mingze was largely protected from press attention, much like the college-age children of other heads of state (legal proceedings excepted). Some offspring of other Chinese leaders have courted attention abroad, however. Before the former Politburo member Bo Xilai was imprisoned for corruption and his wife, Gu Kailai, jailed for murder, their son, Bo Guagua, invited Jackie Chan to Oxford, and sang with him onstage; hedrove a Porsche during his time as a graduate student at Harvard. Xi, on the other hand, led a “frugal life” in Cambridge, according to Minemura. “She studied all the time,” he told me recently.

At twenty-two, Xi Mingze has now returned to China; though she makes few public appearances, she joined her parents on a recent trip to Yan’an, the rural region where her father was sent to work during the Cultural Revolution, when he was a teen-ager. In the magazine last week, I profiled Xi Jinping, and noted that he often says that his years in Yan’an, when he was the age that his daughter was at Harvard, made him into who he is as an adult: “Many of the fundamental ideas and qualities I have today were formed in Yan’an.”

Though Xi Jinping has travelled widely, he has never lived abroad; unlike his predecessors Jiang Zemin (who studied at the Stalin Automobile Works, in Moscow) and Deng Xiaoping (who lived in France for five years, and studied in the Soviet Union), Xi made a decision to not live outside China. His first wife wanted to settle in Britain, and Xi did not; they divorced. As he rose through the ranks, Xi had frequent dealings with Westerners, but his government has recently taken a harder line against ideas from abroad. His education minister, Yuan Guiren, said recently, “We must, by no means, allow into our classrooms material that propagates Western values.” Many of us who follow China wonder: What does Xi Mingze tell her father about her life in America? How did living on a campus that doesn’t restrict discussion of China’s painful chapters—the Great Leap Forward, the Cultural Revolution—affect her world view?

For Chinese citizens, the effects of studying in the United States are rarely as simple as the cliché of coming home with wildly different ideas. Analyses of foreign students have found that Chinese citizens are more likely than others to stay in America. Ninety-two per cent of Chinese graduates remain in America five years after receiving a Ph.D., compared to forty-one per cent of South Koreans, according to a study by the National Science Foundation; the researchers loosely attributed the disparity to differences in family pressure and job opportunities. Going home doesn’t always feel easy, either. A 2009survey, sponsored by the Ewing Marion Kauffman Foundation, found that seventeen per cent of Chinese respondents considered it difficult to settle in the U.S.—but that twice as many, thirty-four per cent, reported difficulty going home, because of reverse culture shock, pollution, and other factors.

In the most thorough look at how studying abroad shapes the views of Chinese returnees, Donglin Han and David Zweig found that those who had lived overseas—in this case, those who had spent time in Canada and Japan—believed more strongly in “coöperative internationalism,” and were slightly less supportive of assertive nationalism, compared to members of the middle class who had never lived abroad. But the authors also noted a remarkable point: “A strikingly significant proportion of returnees support Chinese foreign policy, regardless of ‘whether it is right or wrong.’ ” This may be a result of self-selection (nationalistic students are more likely to return), but it also underscores the magnifying effect of living far away from home. Anyone who has lived overseas probably knows or can recall the temptation to hold fast to national characteristics, partly in contrast with an adopted land and partly out of resentment of foreigners’ criticisms. Cheng Li, of the Brookings Institution, has noted that, contrary to the myth of “democracy by osmosis”—the notion that simply living in the U.S. will make foreigners more congenial to democratic-liberal ideas—many of the most strident nationalist books in China are written by people who have returned from abroad.

If Xi Mingze were to someday choose a public life, we may discover what she brought home to the dinner-table conversation. In the meantime, other Chinese citizens abroad have helped to complicate our understanding of democracy by osmosis. Earlier this year, a fascinating piece called “Patriotism Abroad,” published in the Journal of Studies in International Education,compiled the views of anonymous Chinese faculty and students living outside the country. A woman teaching in the natural sciences said, “In China, people often complain. But in America, I want to see the positive side of China. It has something to do with pride, you know; I want to feel proud to be Chinese.”
 
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So Xi Mingze was a friend of Minemura Kenji? How is their relationship like? And Xi is okay letting Asahi Shimbun document this? :)
 
So Xi Mingze was a friend of Minemura Kenji? How is their relationship like? And Xi is okay letting Asahi Shimbun document this? :)

Hmm I don’t think Minemura-san is going to reveal what Mingze really thinks about the US and China, whatever that is.

I think the main interesting point made by this article is that the Chinese who have lived in the US/west can (and often) end up being anti-US and ultra-nationalist.

@LeveragedBuyout , you might be interested in this article if you haven’t read it already. I remembered how you kept getting puzzled how Chinese members who have lived in the west still give false descriptions of the west.

...But the authors also noted a remarkable point: “A strikingly significant proportion of returnees support Chinese foreign policy, regardless of ‘whether it is right or wrong.’ ”...

...Cheng Li, of the Brookings Institution, has noted that,contrary to the myth of “democracy by osmosis-the notion that simply living in the U.S. will make foreigners more congenial to democratic-liberal ideas—many of the most strident nationalist books in China are written by people who have returned from abroad...

“In China, people often complain. But in America, I want to see the positive side of China. It has something to do with pride, you know; I want to feel proud to be Chinese.”...

Why do some Chinese who have lived abroad become so ultra-nationalistic and anti-west (and sometime telling lies about it)?

In summary: they resented the US/west because of their experience of not fitting in and not being accepted (as a person and as a Chinese) by western society. So they express their frustration and resentment through their pro-China/anti-West rhetorics.
 
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Im nearly finnished reading 'Dealing with China' by former secretary of treasury Henry Paulson.

Paulson has very high regard for Xi Jinping, Le Keqiang and especially his buddy Wang Qishan.

An excellent read detailing 2 decades of Paulsons experience with chinese leaders.
 
Hmm I don’t think Minemura-san is going to reveal what Mingze really thinks about the US and China, whatever that is.

I think the main interesting point made by this article is that the Chinese who have lived in the US/west can (and often) end up being anti-US and ultra-nationalist.

@LeveragedBuyout , you might be interested in this article if you haven’t read it already. I remembered how you kept getting puzzled how Chinese members who have lived in the west still give false descriptions of the west.



Why do some Chinese who have lived abroad become so ultra-nationalistic and anti-west (and sometime telling lies about it)?

In summary: they resented the US/west because of their experience of not fitting in and not being accepted (as a person and as a Chinese) by western society. So they express their frustration and resentment through their pro-China/anti-West rhetorics.

Vietnamese Americans are poorer and less educated than Chinese Americans.

congratulations on fitting in, I guess.
 
...the Ewing Marion Kauffman Foundation, found that seventeen per cent of Chinese respondents considered it difficult to settle in the U.S.—but that twice as many, thirty-four per cent, reported difficulty going home, because of reverse culture shock, pollution, and other factors.
I work with many Chinese engineers. To a man and woman, each agreed that the US is much more intellectually dynamic and open. Many of them, after a few yrs of renting, ended up buying a house, and therein lies a problem for them, even if they initially planned to sell the houses for profits later on, they know that such a purchase would further anchor them into American society.

Several gents I know ended up marrying local girls, Chinese and non-Chinese, and became US citizens. They know that it is easier for a Chinese to settle in America than for an American to settle in China due to the great differences between the two societies. It has next to nothing to do with the food, language, traffic, or even finding jobs. They can find authentic Chinese food easy enough. It is because of the political culture that permeates popular culture that they find difficult to adjust whenever any of them returned to China for visits.
 
Im nearly finnished reading 'Dealing with China' by former secretary of treasury Henry Paulson.

Paulson has very high regard for Xi Jinping, Le Keqiang and especially his buddy Wang Qishan.

An excellent read detailing 2 decades of Paulsons experience with chinese leaders.
Wang Qishan hold very high regard by wall street bankers because he outsmarts all of them when he was the head of China Construction Bank.
 
Vietnamese Americans are poorer and less educated than Chinese Americans.

congratulations on fitting in, I guess.

I am not Vietnamese Americans so I don’t really have any interest how Vietnamese do in America.

I am a Vietnamese studying abroad and I do plan to go back to VN when I finish. This doesn’t mean I need to be anti-west, etc. Im just giving my opinions, and my observations.
 
Hmm I don’t think Minemura-san is going to reveal what Mingze really thinks about the US and China, whatever that is.

I think the main interesting point made by this article is that the Chinese who have lived in the US/west can (and often) end up being anti-US and ultra-nationalist.

@LeveragedBuyout , you might be interested in this article if you haven’t read it already. I remembered how you kept getting puzzled how Chinese members who have lived in the west still give false descriptions of the west.



Why do some Chinese who have lived abroad become so ultra-nationalistic and anti-west (and sometime telling lies about it)?

In summary: they resented the US/west because of their experience of not fitting in and not being accepted (as a person and as a Chinese) by western society. So they express their frustration and resentment through their pro-China/anti-West rhetorics.

Thanks for the article, very interesting. I think you have identified the issue, which is that those living abroad who retain nationalistic feelings are probably desperately holding on to a sense of belonging at home, and manifest this by projecting hatred onto their host country.

This is a complicated issue. Expats tend to follow a similar cycle of admiration, alienation, and then a middle ground of acceptance (or a love-hate relationship). Some people are overcome with homesickness and never reach the acceptance stage. I myself went through this cycle when I lived in London and Tokyo, so I fully understand it. At the beginning, everything is new and interesting, but when that fades, we start to resent the fact that the host country does not meet expectations, or has unexpected flaws, and one cannot help comparing the host country to one's home country.

The article also identifies the other factor, which is that returnees are self-selected. As I said, not everyone is suitable for permanent relocation, and several expats never seek it in the first place--they travel abroad for a short-term job posting, or for education, and intend to return from the beginning. I suspect this group only travels abroad for the credentials (degree, CV, etc.), so the experience remains superficial. I never really understood this cohort, because part of the experience of living abroad is opening up to new experiences and broadening one's perspective, but maintaining a rigid mindset and associating with a clique of one's countrymen seems to be the preferred course for this group. It's natural that they would return to their country unchanged, or worse, even more nationalistic, after dwelling in such a feedback loop, surrounded by groupthink.

I have also become frustrated at users on PDF who live in the West and yet constantly disparage it. They tend to end up on my ignore list, so I don't notice much of it anymore, but this group clearly belongs to the second cohort, not suitable for international postings. The sad part is not that these individuals failed to exploit the opportunity they had, or even that they remain nationalistic, but rather that they turn around and deceive others, using the credentials of their time abroad in order to convince the gullible. And let's face it, the vast majority of PDF users are easily taken in by this sort of propaganda--we see user after user post nonsense along the lines of "everyone knows that the US is trying to contain China" or "everyone knows that Americans hate Muslims" or something along those lines.

The irony, of course, is that experience tends to make us more confident in life (e.g. "I know this problem; I've seen it before"), when instead it should make us question what we know more often (e.g. "I've seen enough to know that this may be more complicated than it first appears.")

Self-doubt is not a characteristic we can associate with PDF users.
 
This is not easy thing for me to say because i wanted to be Russian. I really, really wanted to be Russian. But inside i know that i'm not. I don't feel Russian at all"
taken from Vladimir Pozner- the face of Russia
. Interesting article about oversea dispora by CP(communist party) member and relation with host country:police::police:
 
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Thanks for the article, very interesting. I think you have identified the issue, which is that those living abroad who retain nationalistic feelings are probably desperately holding on to a sense of belonging at home, and manifest this by projecting hatred onto their host country.

This is a complicated issue. Expats tend to follow a similar cycle of admiration, alienation, and then a middle ground of acceptance (or a love-hate relationship). Some people are overcome with homesickness and never reach the acceptance stage. I myself went through this cycle when I lived in London and Tokyo, so I fully understand it. At the beginning, everything is new and interesting, but when that fades, we start to resent the fact that the host country does not meet expectations, or has unexpected flaws, and one cannot help comparing the host country to one's home country.

The article also identifies the other factor, which is that returnees are self-selected. As I said, not everyone is suitable for permanent relocation, and several expats never seek it in the first place--they travel abroad for a short-term job posting, or for education, and intend to return from the beginning. I suspect this group only travels abroad for the credentials (degree, CV, etc.), so the experience remains superficial. I never really understood this cohort, because part of the experience of living abroad is opening up to new experiences and broadening one's perspective, but maintaining a rigid mindset and associating with a clique of one's countrymen seems to be the preferred course for this group. It's natural that they would return to their country unchanged, or worse, even more nationalistic, after dwelling in such a feedback loop, surrounded by groupthink.

I have also become frustrated at users on PDF who live in the West and yet constantly disparage it. They tend to end up on my ignore list, so I don't notice much of it anymore, but this group clearly belongs to the second cohort, not suitable for international postings. The sad part is not that these individuals failed to exploit the opportunity they had, or even that they remain nationalistic, but rather that they turn around and deceive others, using the credentials of their time abroad in order to convince the gullible. And let's face it, the vast majority of PDF users are easily taken in by this sort of propaganda--we see user after user post nonsense along the lines of "everyone knows that the US is trying to contain China" or "everyone knows that Americans hate Muslims" or something along those lines.

The irony, of course, is that experience tends to make us more confident in life (e.g. "I know this problem; I've seen it before"), when instead it should make us question what we know more often (e.g. "I've seen enough to know that this may be more complicated than it first appears.")

Self-doubt is not a characteristic we can associate with PDF users.

Thanks for your insights.

Good point about these returnees deceiving others about their past experiences living abroad. And not only that, but I will also add the ridicule and insults they put on others who do not agree with their view. This is also one of the reason why a lot of PDF members insult countries that have friendly relations with the West/US, calling SK/JP as puppets, VN as sellouts, etc.

The alarming thing the article highlighted is the fact that some of these people actually write nationalistic books and literature from their unfortunate experience. It would even be more alarming if some of them gain influential positions as member of the CCP. They would likely influence the way some Chinese nationals view the west.

This is not easy thing for me to say because i wanted to be Russian. I really, really wanted to be Russian. But inside i know that i'm not. I don't feel Russian at all"
taken from Vladimir Pozner- the face of Russia
. Interesting article about oversea dispora by CP(communist party) member and relation with host country:police::police:

Very profound post my friend. Pozner himself have spent a lot of time growing up in the US but ended up being an apologist and spokesman for the Soviet propaganda department. He too had some psychological insecurity issue. I guess for some people, politics is not about right or wrong, but all about a sense of belonging.

Thanks for pointing me to the article.
 
Absolutely my friend. And that is why sometime I dont feel like putting in the effort to have a proper discussion here. A lot of Chinese PDF’ers are not here for a genuine discussion, they are only here to find relieve from their psychological issues and insecurity.

And that, my friend, is the reason why this Far East section now looks more like a mental asylum rather than a discussion forum.

i think some what same same like our country hoangsa org but more extreme:yahoo: but it is good to read news without spending time to search :tup::tup:
 
Link: What Did China’s First Daughter Find in America? - The New Yorker


On a sunny morning last May, a member of Harvard’s graduating class received her diploma and prepared to depart from campus as quietly as she had arrived. Xi Mingze—the only child of Xi Jinping, the President of China, and his wife, the celebrity soprano Peng Liyuan—crossed the podium at Adams House, the dorm that housed Franklin Roosevelt and Henry Kissinger. She had studied psychology and English and lived under an assumed name, her identity known only to a limited number of faculty and close friends—“less than ten,” according to Kenji Minemura, a correspondent for the Asahi Shimbun, who attended the commencement and wrote about Xi’s experience in America.


Xi Mingze was largely protected from press attention, much like the college-age children of other heads of state (legal proceedings excepted). Some offspring of other Chinese leaders have courted attention abroad, however. Before the former Politburo member Bo Xilai was imprisoned for corruption and his wife, Gu Kailai, jailed for murder, their son, Bo Guagua, invited Jackie Chan to Oxford, and sang with him onstage; hedrove a Porsche during his time as a graduate student at Harvard. Xi, on the other hand, led a “frugal life” in Cambridge, according to Minemura. “She studied all the time,” he told me recently.

At twenty-two, Xi Mingze has now returned to China; though she makes few public appearances, she joined her parents on a recent trip to Yan’an, the rural region where her father was sent to work during the Cultural Revolution, when he was a teen-ager. In the magazine last week, I profiled Xi Jinping, and noted that he often says that his years in Yan’an, when he was the age that his daughter was at Harvard, made him into who he is as an adult: “Many of the fundamental ideas and qualities I have today were formed in Yan’an.”

Though Xi Jinping has travelled widely, he has never lived abroad; unlike his predecessors Jiang Zemin (who studied at the Stalin Automobile Works, in Moscow) and Deng Xiaoping (who lived in France for five years, and studied in the Soviet Union), Xi made a decision to not live outside China. His first wife wanted to settle in Britain, and Xi did not; they divorced. As he rose through the ranks, Xi had frequent dealings with Westerners, but his government has recently taken a harder line against ideas from abroad. His education minister, Yuan Guiren, said recently, “We must, by no means, allow into our classrooms material that propagates Western values.” Many of us who follow China wonder: What does Xi Mingze tell her father about her life in America? How did living on a campus that doesn’t restrict discussion of China’s painful chapters—the Great Leap Forward, the Cultural Revolution—affect her world view?

For Chinese citizens, the effects of studying in the United States are rarely as simple as the cliché of coming home with wildly different ideas. Analyses of foreign students have found that Chinese citizens are more likely than others to stay in America. Ninety-two per cent of Chinese graduates remain in America five years after receiving a Ph.D., compared to forty-one per cent of South Koreans, according to a study by the National Science Foundation; the researchers loosely attributed the disparity to differences in family pressure and job opportunities. Going home doesn’t always feel easy, either. A 2009survey, sponsored by the Ewing Marion Kauffman Foundation, found that seventeen per cent of Chinese respondents considered it difficult to settle in the U.S.—but that twice as many, thirty-four per cent, reported difficulty going home, because of reverse culture shock, pollution, and other factors.

In the most thorough look at how studying abroad shapes the views of Chinese returnees, Donglin Han and David Zweig found that those who had lived overseas—in this case, those who had spent time in Canada and Japan—believed more strongly in “coöperative internationalism,” and were slightly less supportive of assertive nationalism, compared to members of the middle class who had never lived abroad. But the authors also noted a remarkable point: “A strikingly significant proportion of returnees support Chinese foreign policy, regardless of ‘whether it is right or wrong.’ ” This may be a result of self-selection (nationalistic students are more likely to return), but it also underscores the magnifying effect of living far away from home. Anyone who has lived overseas probably knows or can recall the temptation to hold fast to national characteristics, partly in contrast with an adopted land and partly out of resentment of foreigners’ criticisms. Cheng Li, of the Brookings Institution, has noted that, contrary to the myth of “democracy by osmosis”—the notion that simply living in the U.S. will make foreigners more congenial to democratic-liberal ideas—many of the most strident nationalist books in China are written by people who have returned from abroad.

If Xi Mingze were to someday choose a public life, we may discover what she brought home to the dinner-table conversation. In the meantime, other Chinese citizens abroad have helped to complicate our understanding of democracy by osmosis. Earlier this year, a fascinating piece called “Patriotism Abroad,” published in the Journal of Studies in International Education,compiled the views of anonymous Chinese faculty and students living outside the country. A woman teaching in the natural sciences said, “In China, people often complain. But in America, I want to see the positive side of China. It has something to do with pride, you know; I want to feel proud to be Chinese.”
She is just the daughter of President Xi, the only child like me ... it doesn't matter coz the girl return to work in China not stay in U.S, just one thing i can tell today Chinese r not infatuated with U.S & U.S culture like others, Chinese feel proud of China achievements ... with such pride, China can do better in the future.

The more Chinese young studnets studying in U.S & more ppl visited to U.S ... those Chinese can find the real situation inside U.S there's not the 'HEAVEN' like we ever thought, compared with U.S the developing China still has the HOPE, and the HOPE will encourage those Chinese back to build our homeland ... What Did China’s First Daughter Find in America? - HOPE for China, China is absolutely not a piece of sh!t like others ... Chinese has the hope & power to build next 'United State of America'. Study & Learn from our foreign competitor/ rival/ enemy, to reduce the gaps & improve ourselves stronger ... it's the Chinese way to solve our problems inside China. Learning is always the good thing for China.


In the daily life, Mr Leio also need reading many foreign Sheetdata / Manual / Document from U.S chip companies ... study/ quote/ consult/ modify U.S engineer's experience & codes as mine, also can make me strong. "拿来主义" is good, Study overseas also is good !
 
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