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What Country has the Most Unsustainable Debt? (hint: not Greece)
7 October 2015

When a country experiences slower economic growth, the government receives less in tax revenue and therefore has to borrow money to keep up the delivery of essential services. Any funds borrowed accumulate as public debt, and will eventually have to be repaid. This debt is not necessarily a bad thing — in fact it’s quite normal for a country to raise debt — but excessive debt could put a country’s future economic wellbeing at risk if the underlying reasons that the debt was required in the first place are not addressed.

Debt-to-GDP-ratio-a366.png

One of the ways to compare debt levels between countries is the debt-to-GDP ratio: a ratio of a country's total debt to its gross domestic product (GDP), where debt is measured in dollars ($) and GDP is measured in the value of goods and services produced per annum ($/year). Therefore, the higher the ratio, the longer it will take for a country to pay off its debt. For instance, a country with debt-to-GDP ratio of 100% could theoretically pay off its debt in one year; but realistically, a country will only devote 5-10% of its GDP to debt repayment, so it would take about 10 years to pay down the debt in this instance.

We built a map to compare the debt-to-GDP ratios of the world’s most representative economies. The size of each country on the map represents the level of debt — a larger size means a higher debt-to-GDP ratio. We also included a color coding to illustrate the GDP growth rates of each country: red countries have negative growth rates (-5% to 0%), and green countries have very high growth rates of more than 5%.

The countries with the highest debt-to-GDP ratios are Japan (230%), Greece (177%), Lebanon (134%), Jamaica (133%), Italy (132%), and Portugal (130%). These countries, with perhaps the exception of Lebanon, also have low (or negative) GDP growth rates, which is not good news for their economic outlooks. Obviously, Greece is already dealing with financial turmoil due to its inability to pay off its debt, but other countries with high debt levels and low economic growth rates also face serious default risks (e.g. Italy and Cyprus).

For the countries with the highest debt-to-GDP ratios, debt has actually been increasing over the past several years. But this isn’t necessarily a huge problem. As long as countries are using borrowed funds to successfully stimulate their economies, they will be able to pay back their debts on time. But if governments continue to borrow without increasing economic output (GDP), debt levels could get out of control and countries will be forced to default on their loans (this is what happened to Greece).

Interestingly, the countries with the lowest debt-to-GDP ratios (Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, UAE, and Russia) all have large nationalized natural resource (oil and natural gas) industries. The production of oil and gas provides these countries with a relatively stable source of revenue, which means that they don’t need to borrow funds to pay for government services.

It should be noted that, according to the IMF, there is no simple threshold for unsafe debt-to-GDP ratios. But the IMF has found that higher debt levels are associated with more volatilegrowth. Countries with high debt levels are more susceptible to collapse when economic shocks occur. The important thing is therefore not so much the level of debt, but whether the underlying causes of the high debt level are being addressed.

How does the US fare?
The US has fallen from the 6th most indebted nation (in terms of debt-to-GDP) in 2014 to 12th in 2015. This isn’t necessarily great news for the US, because its debt-to-GDP ratio has actually increased to 103% from 101.5% in 2014. The US fell down the rankings not because it paid off its debts, but because other countries have taken on more debt.

US debt, now at about $18.4 trillion, continues to rise. Government deficits were rare before 1975. Until then, the debt-to-GDP ratio hovered around zero, with some minor deficits occurring here and there. But after 1975, US government deficits really became the norm. Amazingly, the government deficit now is far higher than it was during WWI (debt-to-GDP of 17%), WWII (27%), and the Korean War (1.7%). The last time the government ran a surplus was between 1998 and 2001.

Despite the fact that the US has a fairly healthy GDP growth rate of 2.4%, there is no end in sight to the growth of the government deficit. As long as government spending continues to rise, the country will take on more and more public debt.

Many countries, including the US, are dealing with unsustainable debt levels. In order to reign in this debt, either government revenue generation models will need to change, spending cuts will need to be made, or economic growth will have to increase.

How do countries successfully pay back their debt?
Typically to pay off debt, a country needs to decrease spending or increase government revenues. In the short term, decreasing spending is far more plausible. Take Iceland for example. The country faced a debt crisis in 2008 after the subprime mortgage crisis in the US. Iceland’s national banks were unable to get financing from the international market, and eventually had to declare bankruptcy. What was their solution? The government restructured the country’s three largest banks, declaring them insolvent, and set up currency swap agreements with nearby Scandinavian countries.

Some have argued that one of the main reasons why Iceland was able to get itself out of debt is the country’s Protestant heritage: the theory is that Protestant countries tend to be more receptive to financial discipline and austerity measures in times of financial strife.

What Country has the Most Unsustainable Debt? (hint: not Greece)
 
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Nice article. Also. totally wrong. I think the reason for that is because it takes account of only Government debt, and not total debt.The country with the highest debt-to-GDP ratio among major economies is China. So far I have read of a ratio between 207-282 percent:

China's Debt-to-GDP Ratio Just Climbed to a Record High - Bloomberg Business

Debt and (not much) deleveraging | McKinsey & Company

Given that these are just estimates, the real figures could be much higher. They could also be lower, but I think it can be safely assumed it wouldn't be so by much.
 
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Someone explain me..... italy has negetive growth rate as per the color code?????
 
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Nice article. Also. totally wrong. I think the reason for that is because it takes account of only Government debt, and not total debt.The country with the highest debt-to-GDP ratio among major economies is China. So far I have read of a ratio between 207-282 percent:

China's Debt-to-GDP Ratio Just Climbed to a Record High - Bloomberg Business

Debt and (not much) deleveraging | McKinsey & Company

Given that these are just estimates, the real figures could be much higher. They could also be lower, but I think it can be safely assumed it wouldn't be so by much.
if you apply the same calculation method to US:

Total US debt soars to nearly $60 trn, foreshadows new recession — RT USA

US Total Debt (Quarterly, NSA, Percent of GDP)

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US Total Debt Historical Data
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now if you do the same math with Japan and some European countries the number will go even higher. they are all major economies. btw now Japan's government debt alone is at 240+%.

IMF warns Japan over its staggering national debt - Jul. 23, 2015

to say "The country with the highest debt-to-GDP ratio among major economies is China" is just wrong.
 
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What Country has the Most Unsustainable Debt? (hint: not Greece)
7 October 2015

When a country experiences slower economic growth, the government receives less in tax revenue and therefore has to borrow money to keep up the delivery of essential services. Any funds borrowed accumulate as public debt, and will eventually have to be repaid. This debt is not necessarily a bad thing — in fact it’s quite normal for a country to raise debt — but excessive debt could put a country’s future economic wellbeing at risk if the underlying reasons that the debt was required in the first place are not addressed.

Debt-to-GDP-ratio-a366.png

One of the ways to compare debt levels between countries is the debt-to-GDP ratio: a ratio of a country's total debt to its gross domestic product (GDP), where debt is measured in dollars ($) and GDP is measured in the value of goods and services produced per annum ($/year). Therefore, the higher the ratio, the longer it will take for a country to pay off its debt. For instance, a country with debt-to-GDP ratio of 100% could theoretically pay off its debt in one year; but realistically, a country will only devote 5-10% of its GDP to debt repayment, so it would take about 10 years to pay down the debt in this instance.

We built a map to compare the debt-to-GDP ratios of the world’s most representative economies. The size of each country on the map represents the level of debt — a larger size means a higher debt-to-GDP ratio. We also included a color coding to illustrate the GDP growth rates of each country: red countries have negative growth rates (-5% to 0%), and green countries have very high growth rates of more than 5%.

The countries with the highest debt-to-GDP ratios are Japan (230%), Greece (177%), Lebanon (134%), Jamaica (133%), Italy (132%), and Portugal (130%). These countries, with perhaps the exception of Lebanon, also have low (or negative) GDP growth rates, which is not good news for their economic outlooks. Obviously, Greece is already dealing with financial turmoil due to its inability to pay off its debt, but other countries with high debt levels and low economic growth rates also face serious default risks (e.g. Italy and Cyprus).

For the countries with the highest debt-to-GDP ratios, debt has actually been increasing over the past several years. But this isn’t necessarily a huge problem. As long as countries are using borrowed funds to successfully stimulate their economies, they will be able to pay back their debts on time. But if governments continue to borrow without increasing economic output (GDP), debt levels could get out of control and countries will be forced to default on their loans (this is what happened to Greece).

Interestingly, the countries with the lowest debt-to-GDP ratios (Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, UAE, and Russia) all have large nationalized natural resource (oil and natural gas) industries. The production of oil and gas provides these countries with a relatively stable source of revenue, which means that they don’t need to borrow funds to pay for government services.

It should be noted that, according to the IMF, there is no simple threshold for unsafe debt-to-GDP ratios. But the IMF has found that higher debt levels are associated with more volatilegrowth. Countries with high debt levels are more susceptible to collapse when economic shocks occur. The important thing is therefore not so much the level of debt, but whether the underlying causes of the high debt level are being addressed.

How does the US fare?
The US has fallen from the 6th most indebted nation (in terms of debt-to-GDP) in 2014 to 12th in 2015. This isn’t necessarily great news for the US, because its debt-to-GDP ratio has actually increased to 103% from 101.5% in 2014. The US fell down the rankings not because it paid off its debts, but because other countries have taken on more debt.

US debt, now at about $18.4 trillion, continues to rise. Government deficits were rare before 1975. Until then, the debt-to-GDP ratio hovered around zero, with some minor deficits occurring here and there. But after 1975, US government deficits really became the norm. Amazingly, the government deficit now is far higher than it was during WWI (debt-to-GDP of 17%), WWII (27%), and the Korean War (1.7%). The last time the government ran a surplus was between 1998 and 2001.

Despite the fact that the US has a fairly healthy GDP growth rate of 2.4%, there is no end in sight to the growth of the government deficit. As long as government spending continues to rise, the country will take on more and more public debt.

Many countries, including the US, are dealing with unsustainable debt levels. In order to reign in this debt, either government revenue generation models will need to change, spending cuts will need to be made, or economic growth will have to increase.

How do countries successfully pay back their debt?
Typically to pay off debt, a country needs to decrease spending or increase government revenues. In the short term, decreasing spending is far more plausible. Take Iceland for example. The country faced a debt crisis in 2008 after the subprime mortgage crisis in the US. Iceland’s national banks were unable to get financing from the international market, and eventually had to declare bankruptcy. What was their solution? The government restructured the country’s three largest banks, declaring them insolvent, and set up currency swap agreements with nearby Scandinavian countries.

Some have argued that one of the main reasons why Iceland was able to get itself out of debt is the country’s Protestant heritage: the theory is that Protestant countries tend to be more receptive to financial discipline and austerity measures in times of financial strife.

What Country has the Most Unsustainable Debt? (hint: not Greece)

Thought this was another feel good thread for you guys
 
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if you apply the same calculation method to US:

Total US debt soars to nearly $60 trn, foreshadows new recession — RT USA

US Total Debt (Quarterly, NSA, Percent of GDP)

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US Total Debt Historical Data
View attachment 263395


now if you do the same math with Japan and some European countries the number will go even higher. they are all major economies. btw now Japan's government debt alone is at 240+%.

IMF warns Japan over its staggering national debt - Jul. 23, 2015

to say "The country with the highest debt-to-GDP ratio among major economies is China" is just wrong.
That country is full of people anticipating for 2012.
Don't waste time arguing with Supa Powans from a total debtor country.
 
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Many many issues with all this analysis.

  1. Most of Japan's public debt is held by insiders, and as such is denominated in Yen, the local currency, something which it has total control over.
  2. Japan is not an inflation country, and even were there to be heavy debt maturation, they can print yens with limited inflation.
  3. Japan's debt is extremely serviceable. They pay close to zero percent on that debt.
  4. This analysis ONLY includes Central Government Public Debt. NOT corporate debt or local government debt.
  5. China has a corporate debt of almost 150% of the GDP. And this debt is one of the biggest concerns in China.

@Edison Chen Can you support things here, since you are a banker.
 
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if you apply the same calculation method to US:

Total US debt soars to nearly $60 trn, foreshadows new recession — RT USA

US Total Debt (Quarterly, NSA, Percent of GDP)

View attachment 263394


US Total Debt Historical Data
View attachment 263395


now if you do the same math with Japan and some European countries the number will go even higher. they are all major economies. btw now Japan's government debt alone is at 240+%.

IMF warns Japan over its staggering national debt - Jul. 23, 2015

to say "The country with the highest debt-to-GDP ratio among major economies is China" is just wrong.


That's correct bro.

It's just illiterate to compare Public Debt (Government Dedt) to Total Debt. For debt loaned to companies and individuals, we have a term for it "Domestic Credit To Private Sector". Note it is not "Public Debt", which usually has to be managed vs GDP or Tax Revenue, and you can dig deeper in this agenda, in China's case it's well under control. Check below link or other open sources.


About significant increase in Domestic Credit to Private Sector, it's a lot more complicated as usual:
  • It's driven by even faster growing M1/M2 money supply (货币供应) for the period 2008-2015, i.e. quantitative easing (check US for the same period). More liquidity, more debt, are injected into the economy.
  • Also, the huge trade surpluses in form of forex, and inbound FDI, sold to PBOC further increase money supply. This compulsory buying of Forex is a state policy (强制结汇).
  • RMB appreciation expectation (人民币升值预期) brought in hot money.
  • Note, alot of credits go into infrastructure/CAPEX of long pay-back period (回本期), check China's massive addition of infrastructures since 2008. The overall scale is not a problem, the credits are hedged by ever expanding assets.
  • It's a good news to the vibrant small-to-medium POE which have been sidelined by SOE before.
  • China has been developing the banking industry, bond/credit market, gradually. The most developed markets include US (195%), HKSAR (233%), UK (141%), Singapore (132%), etc. Shanghai is developing fast.
  • If you still want a comparison vs GDP, check some benchmarks from World Bank:

On Pubic Debt, there is also major difference between debt hold by domestic investors, and those hold by foreign investors (foreign creditors). For Japan's case, it's primarily hold by Japanese investors, denominated in home currency, the problems are mostly confined within the country. For countries with debts hold by foreign investors, denominated in forex, then the pressures are more complicated, e.g. affects its credit in international bond market, currency instability, pressure on debt servicing in forex reserves.

On Net International Investment Position, here is a sample:​

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Japan is a creditor nation, largest in the world for the past 24 years in a row. China is second to Japan if only Mainland is accounted, but overtakes Japan if HK, Macau & Taiwan are included.​

 
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That's correct.

It's just illiterate to compare Public Debt (Government Dedt) to Total Debt. For debt loaned to companies and individuals, we have a term for it "Domestic Credit To Private Sector". Note it is not "Public Debt", which usually has to be managed vs GDP or Tax Revenue, and you can dig deeper in this agenda, in China's case it's well under control. Check below link or other open sources.

China Government Debt to GDP | 1995-2015 | Data | Chart | Calendar

About significant increase in Domestic Credit to Private Sector, it's a lot more complicated as usual:
  • It's driven by even faster growing M1/M2 money supply (货币供应) for the period 2008-2015, i.e. quantitative easing (check US for the same period). More liquidity, more debt, are injected into the economy.
  • Also, the huge trade surpluses in form of forex, and inbound FDI, sold to PBOC further increase money supply. This compulsory buying of Forex is a state policy (强制结汇).
  • RMB appreciation expectation (人民币升值预期) brought in hot money.
  • Note, alot of credits go into infrastructure/CAPEX of long pay-back period (回本期), check China's massive addition of infrastructures since 2008. The overall scale is not a problem, the credits are hedged by ever expanding assets.
  • It's a good news to the vibrant small-to-medium POE which have been sidelined by SOE before.
  • China has been developing the banking industry, bond/credit market, gradually. The most developed markets include US (195%), HKSAR (233%), UK (141%), Singapore (132%), etc. Shanghai is developing fast.
  • If you still want a comparison vs GDP, check some benchmarks from World Bank:
Domestic credit to private sector (% of GDP) | Data | Table

On Pubic Debt, there is also difference between debt hold by domestic investors, and those hold by foreign investors (foreign creditors). For Japan's case, it's primarily hold by Japanese investors, denominated in home currency, the problems are mostly confined within the country. For countries with debts hold by foreign investors, denominated in forex, then the pressures are more complicated, e.g. affects its credit in international bond market, currency instability, pressure on debt servicing in forex reserves.

As usual, excellent post bro!
 
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