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What can Pakistan learn from Bangladesh?

From a population dynamics POV the main difference between us was the treatment of our women. You can interpret this from a dogmatic / ideological POV but numbers do not lie. Bangladesh enabled their women to work rather than only marry young and have children, therefore, become assets rather than liabilities. That's what is needed because the unchecked population growth is our greatest problem. Moving around Pakistan there is a disturbing scene of one person earning and an entire household surviving on their money; however, despite that still reproducing like there's no tomorrow. That's a problem. Modern economies are best suited for smaller families and a balance between liabilities and assets.

My opinion is based off of hard empiricism rather than ideology, please, don't analyze everything through nationalistic or ideological lenses, they have their place but taking other paradigms is also helpful. Before taking any tag, i think it's important to be a realist. We don't need any aid to change ourselves. I think this change has to be internally aroused rather than forced on anyone.

Thank you.
 
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From a population dynamics POV the main difference between us was the treatment of our women. You can interpret this from a dogmatic / ideological POV but numbers do not lie. Bangladesh enabled their women to work rather than only marry young and have children, therefore, become assets rather than liabilities. That's what is needed because the unchecked population growth is our greatest problem. Moving around Pakistan there is a disturbing scene of one person earning and an entire household surviving on their money; however, despite that still reproducing like there's no tomorrow. That's a problem. Modern economies are best suited for smaller families and a balance between liabilities and assets.

My opinion is based off of hard empiricism rather than ideology, please, don't analyze everything through nationalistic or ideological lenses, they have their place but taking other paradigms is also helpful. Before taking any tag, i think it's important to be a realist. We don't need any aid to change ourselves. I think this change has to be internally aroused rather than forced on anyone.

Thank you.
Bangladesh doesn,t have an insurgency. They don't have hot borders. They don't a have volatile neighbourhood.
Empowering women or education is a small problem as compared to the above ones.
 
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Can be solved simultaneously. Our military lead rehabilitation programs focused on empowering youth and women of insurgency hit areas. These problems are not independent of each other.
Bangladesh doesn,t have an insurgency. They don't have hot borders. They don't a have volatile neighbourhood.
Empowering women or education is a small problem as compared to the above ones.
 
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Did Bangladesh have to go through decades of sanctions and 2 decades of war ? Does Bangladesh have 5 million refugees, a warring failed state and another war mongering one to deal with?

Does Bangladesh have to deal with regional fukups like Pakistan?
 
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Did Bangladesh have to go through decades of sanctions and 2 decades of war ? Does Bangladesh have 5 million refugees, a warring failed state and another war mongering one to deal with?

Does Bangladesh have to deal with regional fukups like Pakistan?


Pakistan gained independence in 1947 and was able to freely choose it's own destiny.
It is easy to blame others rather than looking at your own faults.

Likewise BD gained independence in 1971 and was responsible for itself after then and look at the position it has got itself into it now - lowest debt to gdp ratio, fastest economic growth rate by far, massive FDI investments coming in etc. Not great start at first but the economy has been growing consistently fast since year 2000 - it took less than 30 years to get to this stable position and Pakistan has had more than 70 and is not there yet.

Pakistanis must ask themselves why after 72 years of independence(+ 24 year subsidy from BD during 1947-1971 to boot) they are lagging behind the rest of S Asia in gdp per capita and future prospects(lowest growth rate forecast). Only when they know the reasons why and have addressed them can Pakistan progress.
 
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Pakistan can really learn from Bangladesh how a one party led quasi-democratic, hybrid civil-military dictatorship can achieve certain economic benchmarks by opressing oppositions, gagging free press, extra judicial killings, enforced disappearance, exploiting volunrable women work force with near slave standard, sub human and unsafe labor conditions. This is really something to be bragging about.
 
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We can learn why having Islamic values and strong Islamic belief is so important for the health of a society.

Economically, Pakistan should look up at the success of its allies, China and Turkey. They faced similar challenges as us and overcame them.

Pakistan gained independence in 1947 and was able to freely choose it's own destiny.
It is easy to blame others rather than looking at your own faults.

This can only be the statement of someone unwilling, incapable of understanding the forces which shaped Pakistan.

We are fundamentally different from BD in almost every way (except that we both are Muslim.)

I would rather study Turkey or Malaysia, who have more in common with our state and its ideology.

What can Pakistan learn from Bangladesh?

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Henry Kissinger, the secretary of state during the Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford administrations, ominously dubbed Bangladesh a basket case, and the moniker stuck, causing disappointment and dismay among Bangladeshis. In the 1970s, the derogatory appellation painted a dire picture of a country struggling with negative growth rates, dismal export potentials, empty coffers, and, to top it all off, the burden of meeting the needs of a population traumatised by a brutal independence movement. The future of Bangladesh, at the time, looked very bleak indeed.

Five decades later, Bangladesh has come out roaring. It has become one of the leading Asian economies and has, for over a decade, grown at a good clip. In fact, since 2011, Bangladesh’s Gross Domestic Product (GDP) growth rate has been consistently over 6 %. In its latest report, the Asian Development Bank paints a promising picture of Bangladesh and puts it on a sure footing for achieving a growth rate of 8% in 2020, the highest in the region.

Due to the constant economic upheaval, the Bangladeshi economy will cast off the status of a least developed economy in less than five years and will join the list of developing economies. Bangladesh’s story of economic success is strewn with lessons on how to exploit resource endowments, not only to achieve economic growth, but also inculcate human development. That is why Bangladesh is higher on the human development index (HDI) than Pakistan.

It is somewhat ironic that it was Mahbubul Haq, a Pakistani economist, that developed the HDI along with Amartya Sen to assess the quality of life and standard of living of people within a country. Sen, a Nobel Laureate, called Haq an “outstanding economist and a visionary social thinker.” Haq believed that the policy outcomes that mattered the most were what a government did for its people so that they could lead a healthy and prosperous life. Taking a people-centric approach to judge the success of governmental policies, the HDI draws attention to three dimensions of people’s lives: education, health, and income.

During the last two decades, Bangladesh has made great strides with regards to improving the lives of its people. To get a sense of where it stands today, we will compare Bangladesh with Pakistan on some of the key indicators of HDI, knowing full well that such a comparison can generate controversy due to the long standing friction between the two countries.

When we look at the ranking of the two countries on the human development scale, Bangladesh is ahead on the 135th position as opposed to Pakistan’s 152nd. The average life expectancy in Bangladesh is also higher at 72.3 years in comparison to Pakistan’s 67.1 years whereas the mortality rate is also significantly lower in Bangladesh at 26.9 versus 61.2 in Pakistan. A child born in Bangladesh can expect to be in school longer than a child born in Pakistan at an average of 11.2 years versus 8.5 years while the mean years of schooling for females in Bangladesh is 5.3 years compared to 3.8 years in Pakistan. What is perhaps most surprising is that, according to the World Bank, Bangladesh now has a higher per capita Gross National Income than Pakistan, $1,750 versus $1,590 to be precise. Overall, Bangladeshis now enjoy a higher standard of living than their Pakistani counterparts.

Among the different developmental policies that Bangladesh implemented to improve the standard of living for its people, the two that stand out are the economic empowerment of women and the focus on infrastructural development. Comparatively, while both Pakistan and Bangladesh essentially exported their unemployment problems by sending people to work in the restrictive environment of the Middle East, Bangladesh also looked for ways to create employment opportunities internally for its labour force. It slowly and steadily expanded the textile sector to create employment opportunities, especially for women, who now form the backbone of the industry.

As a result, female labour now accounts for more than 90%of the workforce in the textile sector which currently employs over four million people. These jobs have not only improved the lives of families, but have also given women discretionary purchasing power and access to financial instruments.

Bangladesh has become a textile powerhouse, exporting apparel products and producing for retailers such as Zara, Gap, Uniqlo, Hugo Boss, H&M and other multinationals. A once fledgling industry has now been transformed into a $30 billion business which has established Bangladesh as the second largest exporter of garments and apparel products in the world after China. The experience and the network of relationships that its executives have developed along with the business prowess they have gained will be instrumental in moving Bangladesh towards the next phase of development which is the production and marketing of high value-added products.

Unfortunately, in the case of Pakistan, the data on human development looks bleak. Its story is one of lost opportunities. Once a beacon of development and modernity in South Asia, Pakistan’s economy has stagnated due to rampant corruption and mismanagement. Successive governments have failed to construct a growth-conducive economic model whereas a feudal mentality has curtailed the entrepreneurial spirit that propelled growth during the early years of Pakistan’s existence in the financial, educational, healthcare, aviation, and transportation sectors. Therefore, sooner rather than later, Pakistan will need to create conducive conditions in order achieve what Mahbub ul Haq valued – a good life for the general populace.

The author is Professor Emeritus of Marketing at Marquette University in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA, and a Fulbright scholar. He has published extensively in business and marketing journals and has taught graduate and undergraduate level courses in North America, Europe, South America, and Asia.

https://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/92997/bangladesh-not-a-basket-case-anymore/

Why do you keep posting these threads comparing apples and oranges?

We are two totally different states, with different challenges, different DNA, different culture, different religious mindset, different enemies, different internal politics, and different foreign policy.

I am glad BD got independence, as both of us were finally allowed to follow our separate destinies independent of pressure from the other.
 
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We can learn why having Islamic values and strong Islamic belief is so important for the health of a society.

Economically, Pakistan should look up at the success of its allies, China and Turkey. They faced similar challenges as us and overcame them.



This can only be the statement of someone unwilling, incapable of understanding the forces which shaped Pakistan.

We are fundamentally different from BD in almost every way (except that we both are Muslim.)

I would rather study Turkey or Malaysia, who have more in common with our state and its ideology.



Why do you keep posting these threads comparing apples and oranges?

We are two totally different states, with different challenges, different DNA, different culture, different religious mindset, different enemies, different internal politics, and different foreign policy.

I am glad BD got independence, as both of us were finally allowed to follow our separate destinies independent of pressure from the other.

When globalist Indian sponsored economic red herrings prescribe something to Pakistan, they actually ask for denouncing the two nation theory, dropping the Islamic Republic name and embracing Indian hegemony. They tell us to become an unannounced province of Indian Union and enjoy similar benefits. You must get the real message.
 
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Pakistan can really learn from Bangladesh how a one party led quasi-democratic, hybrid civil-military dictatorship can achieve certain economic benchmarks by opressing oppositions, gagging free press, extra judicial killings, enforced disappearance, exploiting volunrable women work force with near slave standard, sub human and unsafe labor conditions. This is really something to be bragging about.

Quasi-democracy is the need of the hour.

Want 6-7% per capita sustained economic growth?
Want lowest debt to gdp ratio in S Asia by a mile?
Want the whole world rushing in to invest in your country? Dutch Damen will set up their first shipyard in S Asia in BD as one example.

And no the women are not being exploited as salaries in garments start at 95 US dollar a month and of course a lot higher for those that are skilled. Much rather give them that option than nothing at all.
The garment factories have now become some of the safest in the world after the Rana Plaza disaster.

Yeah there is a bit of lack of rights and some thuggery going on but if this is the price to escape 3rd world status in the next 10-15 years, bring it on I say!
 
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Did Bangladesh have to go through decades of sanctions and 2 decades of war ? Does Bangladesh have 5 million refugees, a warring failed state and another war mongering one to deal with?

Does Bangladesh have to deal with regional fukups like Pakistan?

Well said! Anyone who keeps on harping on about how Pakistan needs to learn from Bangladesh is retarded. Compare the countries, the neighbourhood, the challenges, and history of both nations. And it doesn't take a genius to work out that there is no sense in comparing the two countries.

Bangladesh is single ethnic state ruled through an iron fist, while safely sitting in the armpits of Bharat Mata. On the other hand, Pakistan is a multi-ethnic and multi religious state, surrounded by hostile nations working actively to destabilize the country.

I question the intellectualism of every person who compares.
 
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Well said! Anyone who keeps on harping on about how Pakistan needs to learn from Bangladesh is retarded. Compare the countries, the neighbourhood, the challenges, and history of both nations. And it doesn't take a genius to work out that there is no sense in comparing the two countries.

Bangladesh is single ethnic state ruled through an iron fist, while safely sitting in the armpits of Bharat Mata. On the other hand, Pakistan is a multi-ethnic and multi religious state, surrounded by hostile nations working actively to destabilize the country.

I question the intellectualism of every person who compares.


Yes BD is single ethnic but Pakistan had the following advantages:

1. 24 year head start in independence and helped itself to BD resources during 1947-1971 and so that is a double bonus!
2. Vastly more natural resources.

All I see here is Pakistanis making excuse after excuse and not seeing why they have failed economically after 72 years of independence.

It is interesting that during a worldwide economic slowdown, BD per capita is still expected to grow at over 6 % a year over the next 2 years - something that Pakistan only managed for a few years in more than 7 decades.
 
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Yes BD is single ethnic but Pakistan had the following advantages:

1. 24 year head start in independence and helped itself to BD resources during 1947-1971 and so that is a double bonus!
2. Vastly more natural resources.

All I see here is Pakistanis making excuse after excuse and not seeing why they have failed economically after 72 years of independence.

It is interesting that during a worldwide economic slowdown, BD per capita is still expected to grow at over 6 % a year over the next 2 years - something that Pakistan only managed for a few years in more than 7 decades.

I honestly don't care what Bangladesh does. I only came to this section because of this stupid article. No one here is hiding behind any excuses, but there are hard facts and ground realities that are completely different in both nations.


Bangladesh isn't surrounded by two overtly hostile, and one covertly hostile nation actively challenging its national boundaries. Hence, Bangladesh can afford to divert more of its resources to its economy and development than Pakistan. That is not an excuse. This is a simple fact.

Bangladesh hasn't just come out of nearly 15 years civil war either. After 1971, what major military conflict have you faced that has decimated your infrastructure and scared away foreign investors? Your independence was 49 years ago, and you guys still can't stop crying about. Like I said above, you are nestled safely in the armpits of Bharat Mata, so can afford to remain insular and concentrate on other matters apart from national security. Is that an excuse? If you still think so, let me help you further:

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You see where Bangladesh is? You are literally surrounded by a nation that is on friendly terms with you, and one that is your major economic and military partner.

If you'd like to compare yourselves to us, then go ahead. But don't expect me to learn any lessons from Bangladesh, because I can't find any worthwhile ones. The ones that I can see, I won't mention because I don't want to derail this thread in to a mud slinging match.
 
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pakistan can learn - NEVER LIVE IN PAST AND WORLD DID NOT STARTED IN 1971 :lol:
Then why claim Kashmir? Leave it in India’s hand xzd

You see where Bangladesh is? You are literally surrounded by a nation that is on friendly terms with you, and one that is your major economic and military partner
Economic? Yes... military? No
 
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I honestly don't care what Bangladesh does. I only came to this section because of this stupid article. No one here is hiding behind any excuses, but there are hard facts and ground realities that are completely different in both nations.


Bangladesh isn't surrounded by two overtly hostile, and one covertly hostile nation actively challenging its national boundaries. Hence, Bangladesh can afford to divert more of its resources to its economy and development than Pakistan. That is not an excuse. This is a simple fact.

Bangladesh hasn't just come out of nearly 15 years civil war either. After 1971, what major military conflict have you faced that has decimated your infrastructure and scared away foreign investors? Your independence was 49 years ago, and you guys still can't stop crying about. Like I said above, you are nestled safely in the armpits of Bharat Mata, so can afford to remain insular and concentrate on other matters apart from national security. Is that an excuse? If you still think so, let me help you further:

map-indian-sub-continent_1024x1024.gif


You see where Bangladesh is? You are literally surrounded by a nation that is on friendly terms with you, and one that is your major economic and military partner.

If you'd like to compare yourselves to us, then go ahead. But don't expect me to learn any lessons from Bangladesh, because I can't find any worthwhile ones. The ones that I can see, I won't mention because I don't want to derail this thread in to a mud slinging match.


BD does not have military relations with India but the economic relationship is flourishing.

Remember cumulative wealth of BD is still lower than Pakistan, hence why Pakistan has better looking cities/infrastructure is better and people are wealthier, but this will change probably in the middle-part of this decade and then BD will sprint ahead.

BD has a horrible neighbour in the form of Myanmar that not only refuses proper trade relations but has expelled over a million Rohingyas to BD.
BD had a plan to build hydroelectric power plants in Arakan and turn the whole region into BD's rice field but the Barmans said no to this - both countries would have economically benefitted from this.
Pakistan is not the only country with crap neighbours btw.
 
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