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What can Pakistan can purchase to improve air defense?

From what I understand Pakistan's air defence capabilities are somewhat lacking. What I propose Pakistan do is simple, buy more air defense systems comprising Short Range Air Defense (SHORAD) and High to Medium Air Defense (HIMAD). The most likely supplier would be China which would be the best choice in terms of the supply of parts, radars, and associated equipment in conflicts.

First of all, kudos for posting a detailed and informative topic. It shows how serious you are about the subject matter and renders appreciation all around, as it raises the repute of this forum.

When it comes to establishing a full spectrum Air Defense Network (ADN), the main challenge Pakistan faces is that of geographical nature. Territorially, Pakistan lacks strategic depth. Therefore it's high valued installations are vulnerable to enemy attacks. For this reason, it is important for Pakistan Military to look procurement of SAM systems which can be layered in. Taking advantage of Pakistan's topographical layout, with powerful SAM systems such as the Russian S-400s, S-300s, BUK-M3s, Panstir and Tor-M1s.
 
What can Pakistan can purchase to improve air defense?

My serious suggestions. Go 'Russian or Chinese' on this one -

  • Shut down 95% of the desi madaris
  • Invest money in new Russian/Chinese style science institutes
  • Revamp academy of sciences in Pakistan
  • Aim to produce 100,000 maths, physics, aeronautic etc graduates every year
  • Reduce emphasis on religion and replace/focus it with science in the youth
Down the road instead of buying Russian S-400s or Chinese AD systems Pakistan can make it's own and in fact begin exporting them. Problem sorted. Do as the leaders in this field do and not repeat what the losers do.
 
What can Pakistan can purchase to improve air defense?

My serious suggestions. Go 'Russian or Chinese' on this one -

  • Shut down 95% of the desi madaris
  • Invest money in new Russian/Chinese style science institutes
  • Revamp academy of sciences in Pakistan
  • Aim to produce 100,000 maths, physics, aeronautic etc graduates every year
  • Reduce emphasis on religion and replace/focus it with science in the youth
Down the road instead of buying Russian S-400s or Chinese AD systems Pakistan can make it's own and in fact begin exporting them. Problem sorted. Do as the leaders in this field do and not repeat what the losers do.


Pakistan is Probably working to produce an indigenous medium range AD
we might see it in the near future
 
From what I understand Russia is more of an ally with India than Pakistan. In a conflict Russia will go with their ally who pays more which in this case is India with all their SU-30s, T-90s, and just about any Russian military equipment and parts may be hard to come by if India tries to threaten Russia. Pakistan's military purchases from Russia are very small with trade with China dwarfing it. You can be assured that Chinese SAM systems will be less downgraded than Russian SAM systems and in theory more capable. This is what many people don't get and why I don't advise purchasing Russian SAM systems. There is nothing wrong with purchasing capable reverse engineered SAM systems from China if they function well.
 
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First of all, kudos for posting a detailed and informative topic. It shows how serious you are about the subject matter and renders appreciation all around, as it raises the repute of this forum.

When it comes to establishing a full spectrum Air Defense Network (ADN), the main challenge Pakistan faces is that of geographical nature. Territorially, Pakistan lacks strategic depth. Therefore it's high valued installations are vulnerable to enemy attacks. For this reason, it is important for Pakistan Military to look procurement of SAM systems which can be layered in. Taking advantage of Pakistan's topographical layout, with powerful SAM systems such as the Russian S-400s, S-300s, BUK-M3s, Panstir and Tor-M1s.
Thank you, I appreciate someone recognizing me. Which country should they buy from in your opinion? Russia or China? In my opinion China would be better for Pakistan because China is actually an ally while Russia is just an arms dealer basically and may sell downgraded SAMs. Besides, China is reverse engineering the S-400 pretty soon I think as happened with the S-300 so may be a good opportunity to wait a little bit until than and purchase shorter range SAM systems. HQ-17 the reversed engineered Tor is a good idea you are right and should be seriously looked at. Pakistan has the Buk in a reversed engineered version that apparently has a range of 40 km so they are good there I think. What do you think of the HQ-22? It has a range of 170 km and would make a medium range defense at a cheaper cost for Pakistan than the HQ-9 but could complement it in the future.
As far as protecting high value SAM systems you are right this has to be a top priority and could be done by short, and medium SAM systems near the high value SAMs that can make sure nothing can come near and if something does be prepared to shoot it down. Many MANPADS and other Infrared seeking SAMS should be used in case of jamming and maybe even a land based CIWS like the Phalanx land based(the name I forget) to protect against mortars, artillery, etc;. I assume Pakistan can put their long range SAMs on the more interior part of the country so that if something is detected on radar they have time to react and shoot the thing down.
 
What can Pakistan can purchase to improve air defense?

My serious suggestions. Go 'Russian or Chinese' on this one -

  • Shut down 95% of the desi madaris
  • Invest money in new Russian/Chinese style science institutes
  • Revamp academy of sciences in Pakistan
  • Aim to produce 100,000 maths, physics, aeronautic etc graduates every year
  • Reduce emphasis on religion and replace/focus it with science in the youth
Down the road instead of buying Russian S-400s or Chinese AD systems Pakistan can make it's own and in fact begin exporting them. Problem sorted. Do as the leaders in this field do and not repeat what the losers do.

You and I both know that no one can shutdown any madaris.
We need to introduce curriculum for Madaris. We also need a religious body/government organization that define Islam that we need to adopt it as a state religion. We need to educate masses about real Islam. Our jahil quam follow fake religious leaders blindly and it’s a big problem for us. We need to find a way to arrest and convict Jali moulla, Jali peer faqir, Jali Amil, etc.

Why limit yourself to Chinese and Russian?
I think we need to work with Japan, South Korea, Singapore, European/eastern Europe and South American countries.
We need many research institutions. This already been discussed many times.
You can produce 100s and 1000s of graduates in advance science field but where are the jobs? I have already written about our education institutions and their international rating.
 
HQ-9
More HQ-16's
More FM-90's

Aster-30
Agreed for the HQ-16,and the HQ-9, but I assume you are talking about the land based Aster-30? It works against short-range ballistic missiles (600 km) so I agree it would be a good purchase.
HQ-16
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Aster-30
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HQ-9
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What you forgot was Infrared homing SAMs that are not MANPADS that can reach very quickly if radar is being jammed. For example if a deal could be made with France where the MICA could be placed in a similar fashion to the MIM-72 Chaparral as they both have similar specifications in terms of dimensions of the missile but the Mica has a 20 kilometer range when launched vertically, can reach altitudes of 30000 feet, and travels at Mach 3 which outperforms the Chaparral a whole lot.
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Tell me does this bottom video look faster that the top video in terms of the time it takes to track and fire?
 

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Thank you, I appreciate someone recognizing me. Which country should they buy from in your opinion? Russia or China? In my opinion China would be better for Pakistan because China is actually an ally while Russia is just an arms dealer basically and may sell downgraded SAMs.

Well in terms of SAMs, the undisputed king is Russia, no doubt. I would advise Pakistan Military to purchase from Russia. Not just to acquire advance SAM Systems, but also use it as a pretext to establishing a deeper relationship with Russia. This is important in the context of the larger picture of S.C.O and will be an important step in synchronization of common platform used by China, Pakistan and Russia. As I foresee a much deeper ties between the three countries and anticipate that these ties shall be crucial in the future. Particularly when things go south.

Besides, China is reverse engineering the S-400 pretty soon I think as happened with the S-300 so may be a good opportunity to wait a little bit until than and purchase shorter range SAM systems. HQ-17 the reversed engineered Tor is a good idea you are right and should be seriously looked at. Pakistan has the Buk in a reversed engineered version that apparently has a range of 40 km so they are good there I think. What do you think of the HQ-22? It has a range of 170 km and would make a medium range defense at a cheaper cost for Pakistan.

What I would advise Pakistan Military is for a joint venture between China and Pakistan on indigenous SAM systems designed specifically for long range coastal defence (against ships and aircraft target) and which are based on the cumulative knowledge of both countries. A dual mode single system which can engage both types of threats. Such a precision engagement weapon would serve as Pakistan's Anti-Access/Area-Denial strategy.

As far as protecting high value SAM systems you are right this has to be a top priority and could be done by short, and medium SAM systems near the high value SAMs that can make sure nothing can come near and if something does be prepared to shoot it down. Many MANPADS and other Infrared seeking SAMS should be used in case of jamming and maybe even a land based CIWS like the Phalanx land based(the name I forget) to protect against mortars, artillery, etc;. I assume Pakistan can put their long range SAMs on the more interior part of the country so that if something is detected on radar they have time to react and shoot the thing down.

Well apart from the usual, upgraded decoy technology for SAM Systems. There is a need for a more saturated engagement defense system, able to withstand multiple volleys of tens of incoming sub-super-hyper sonic missiles. This is another area which requires joint-venture between China and Pakistan. The more layered the defense engagement network is, the more likely the chances are for both countries to launch counter-strikes against the attacking force.

The best options are a layered system consisting of CWIS, Laser-Defense Weapons System, Simulating Decoys, along with Short Range SAM System, which followed by Intermediate Range SAM System. Developing these systems would be a tough enough as it is, what's more challenging is for these systems to be networked in such a manner, whereby they instantaneously communicate with each other, cooridating in selecting two engage hundreds of incoming missiles.

A core interface programmed computing based network, that is not just extremely fast in prosecuting incoming threats. But also is invulnerable to jamming emitters, mini-micro UAV swarms and is robust enough to not attenuate in the heat of battle.

Reliable and robust extreme processing speed, is crucial for a comprehensive/layered Anti-Access/Area-Denial Air-Surface Defense Network. Operated from off-shore bases, and or intermediary inland bases.
 
Why don't we use SD-10A as SAM for point defense as it has wide kill zone? In this way, we can utilize existing missiles for better air defence. The only thing is to attach Aesa radar with it. Similarly in future, PL-15 can also be integrated as SAM.
 
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Why don't we use SD-10A as SAM for point defense as it has wide kill zone? In this way, we can utilize existing missiles for better air defence. The only thing is to attach Aesa radar with it. Similarly in future, PL-15 can also be integrated as SAM.
Sky Dragon 50 is SD-10.
 
What can Pakistan can purchase to improve air defense?

My serious suggestions. Go 'Russian or Chinese' on this one -

  • Shut down 95% of the desi madaris
  • Invest money in new Russian/Chinese style science institutes
  • Revamp academy of sciences in Pakistan
  • Aim to produce 100,000 maths, physics, aeronautic etc graduates every year
  • Reduce emphasis on religion and replace/focus it with science in the youth
Down the road instead of buying Russian S-400s or Chinese AD systems Pakistan can make it's own and in fact begin exporting them. Problem sorted. Do as the leaders in this field do and not repeat what the losers do.
why you want to be shaheed :rofl:
 

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