What can India Do About Pakistan?

[Bang Galore]

Hi there Bangalore! Nice seeing you here bro.

Is Agnostic still around with his Kashmir UN resolutions encyclopedia?

Ah happy days .....

Nice to have you back.

 

[dray]

I don't see any benefit from these talks and Stephen Tankel is wrong. LeT is still very much a part of Pakistan's state policy. That is not going to change in the near future. Talks on terror is just a chai-biscuit photo-op.

Exactly.

I repeat what I posted in another thread today:

We should just STOP wasting our time, energy and resources on this futile exercise called peace process. We should just stop bothering about it, talking about it, and writing articles about it. The more you give them attention, the more they up the ante. We should just repeat our position in every interaction with them and come back, and let our army and security agencies handle the situation with resonable degree of freedom. We need to disengage now.

 

[dray]

Any talks between India and Pakistan should be strictly kept through back door. Keep the media out of it who likes to hype everything and blow it out of proportion. Let the two sides agree on something and slowly start from there while not giving the feeling that they are diverging from their original positions.

The problem in this approach is as evident from Indians here is that what does Pakistan bring to the table and we (the Indians) are happy with the status quo. Such approach gives them arrogance, coupled with their improved economy, strong military and over hyped media, there is a strong feeling among Indians that they can carry out an operation like the US and get away with it without serious repercussions. This is a dangerous thought because Pakistan no matter how weak you think it is or terrorism prone, is still capable to give a befitting reply to any such misadventure. What will than India do? Start a full scale war with Pakistan, but than again thats precisely what India wants to avoid, a full scale war with Pakistan because of the presence of nuclear weapons on both sides.

Another thing is terrorism in Pakistan has declined significantly contrary of popular Indian believes as evident from the authors of the article. Economy is doing better and so is our relations with other countries. India will have to shed its policy of trying to isolate Pakistan, it hasnt happened and will not happen in the future as well. The only way to move forward is to work on a road map for peace with Pakistan.

Peace process can only work when both the parties are actually looking for peace, but Pakistan wants Kashmir, not peace...that we cannot give you. It's a clear case of 'no deal', and we should just lower our engagement on a deal that is not happening, at least for the time being. In business terms this is called "Cut your losses and move on". We have many pressing issues that need immediate attention, we should spend our time and energy on those issues instead of wasting it on a confirmed 'no deal'. There is no immediate solution for our Pakistan problem, but it is manageable, and we should just manage it instead of trying to solve it. How Pakistanis see it is up to them.

 

[Rafael]

India can't do Jack! So learn to live with it!

 

[GURU DUTT]

India can't do Jack! So learn to live with it!

add to that ignore each other and dontwaste time and money to talk peace

 

[Rafael]

add to that ignore each other and dontwaste time and money to talk peace

True. Shut down borders, boycott everything and forget that other even exists.

The only meetings that should be held between Indian and Pakistanis are those in foreign universities / colleges / workplaces.

 

[GURU DUTT]

True. Shut down borders, boycott everything and forget that other even exists.

The only meetings that should be held between Indian and Pakistanis are those in foreign universities / colleges / workplaces.

i agree to that 100%

 

[SipahSalar]

Just FYI-Hindu extremists dont blow themselves up.

What difference does it make whether a terrorist blows himself up or not? And hindu extremists do blow themselves up. Do the victims feel any less pain if the bomber blew himself up wearing a suicide jacket or if the bomber is still alive after bombing the Samjhauta express and then even gets bail?

As for hindu extremists not blowing themselves up is pure misinformation. You are one of the few educated ones of the hordes of Indian users on this site, didn't expect you to say this. Your own ex-Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi was killed by a suicide bombing in which a hindu "blew himself up"
Suicide bombings in Sri Lanka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Let me guess, they didn't do it in the name of religion at least, right? Well islam forbids suicide, it's clearly explained in quran, so anyone "blowing themselves up" is not following the teachings of islam. The only association they have with islam is being muslim, which goes for the hindu suicide bombers of Sri Lanka as well.

Allah knows best.

 

[Whazzup]

The only meetings that should be held between Indian and Pakistanis are those in foreign universities / colleges / workplaces.

foreign universities / colleges / workplaces and LOC cross fires.
Don't expect that to get solved by boycotting each other. is just me who reads almost everyday about soldiers from both sides dying in cease fire violations.

 

[Gauss]

pakistan is immature. india should just sit back and let the kid grow up.

 

[Chanakyaa]

Hi there Bangalore! Nice seeing you here bro.

Is Agnostic still around with his Kashmir UN resolutions encyclopedia?

Ah happy days .....

Swagatam Bro !!!

 

[mpk1988]

See this is exactly the problem with you Indians, this "holier than thou" attitude.

If you come down the high horse, you will start seeing the reality. Here I have a news for you, the suicide bombings by blowing oneself up were introduced in the region by your extremist proxies much before people in the region even knew that such things exist..

Rajiv Ghandi, himself a victim of such bombing would have gladly endorsed. So much of Hindu extremists do not blow themselves up!



Right, it is always others who are at fault. Especially if someone - who is conveniently closing his eyes to the grave issue in his own country, India, - says so.

Here are some of the things that delusional Indians "actually believe" in:

- India is a pacifist country
- India is a super power
- Hindu Extremists only want peace in the region. Modi himself is the greatest peacenik.
- There are no home grown terrorists in India
- India does not export terrorism in the neighborhood, LTTE, Mukti Bahini, BLA and TTP were/are sponsored by Aliens from Mars.
- Godhse was a hero because he killed Ghandhi
- There are no insurgencies taking place in India
....

And so on.

Go on, you are free to live in Utopia, no one is stopping you. Alas, it is not going to help anyone in the region in anyway!

Rajiv Gandhi.. Not Ghandi
Him being blown up had nothing to do with Hindu extremism. It was lack of support to LTTE and the spillover of a sectarian conflict between Sinhalese and Tamils. Its not someone blowing themsleves up to get to heaven or for Nirvana. If India wholeheartedly supported LTTE, Sri Lanka wouldn't be in the present situation. Some blunders in foreign policy was all that happened there.

Also, we are remarkably pacifist.

Mukti Bahini was trained by us. Yes. If you blame them as terrorists then you have no grounds to even speak on Kashmir.

Baloch cause has some support from us, however TTP and other stuff is your own fault. Don't feed the regular victim and not my fault conspiracy shit that reigns supreme in Pakistan and much of the Ummah to sane people.

What does Gandhi have to do with anything here? Even Abe Lincoln was killed. So?? Eminent Ahmediyas were and are openly treated like dirt in Pakistan.. See what I did there..

Finally.. Again its Gandhi.. Not Ghandhi or Ghandi

You should get your facts straight even if its leading nowhere.

 

[IceCold]

Peace process can only work when both the parties are actually looking for peace, but Pakistan wants Kashmir, not peace...that we cannot give you. It's a clear case of 'no deal', and we should just lower our engagement on a deal that is not happening, at least for the time being. In business terms this is called "Cut your losses and move on". We have many pressing issues that need immediate attention, we should spend our time and energy on those issues instead of wasting it on a confirmed 'no deal'. There is no immediate solution for our Pakistan problem, but it is manageable, and we should just manage it instead of trying to solve it. How Pakistanis see it is up to them.

You cannot give us anything as Kashmir is not an Indian territory, not till the Kashmirs say so. As for Pakistan wanting it no we do not want Kashmir for ourselves we want a solution to this disputed territory as per the wishes of the people of Kashmir. If Kashmiries decide that India is their future, by all means, Pakistan will have no problem but until than it will remain a problem for both our countries.

Your last line perfectly depicts the arrogance in you lot which is a problem i have identified earlier. We will continue to do what serves our interest if you think you can manage it, by all means carry on, just stop this 24/7 whining about Pakistan by your sarkar and your media. Its getting boring.

 

[darksider]

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Yaaaawnnn...
Wake up and smell the coffee!!!
This is not a Disney movie which will end in a "....and they lived happily ever after" situation.
We should stop living in this illusion that some day Pakistani army will change its belligerent attitude towards us and there 'll be peace. Oops! I meant the Pakistani government.
Call me a pessimist but expecting our cultural affinities and Bollywood to help reduce the animosity between the 2 countries is a fatuous notion.
The issue is.... Pakistan is slipping deeper into a quick sand of terrorism and there's a desperate need for progress, I see this as the root of all problems.
Let me give you an example...
what happens when you have a capricious half brother who is not settled in his life???
He'll fight with you often and would go to great extent to snatch your ancestral property (Kashmir in this case).
This is exactly what is happening!!!

I hope the much hyped Gwadar, which right now looks like their last hope, pulls Pakistan out of this mess. That will work in India's favour.
But since no amount of cajoling and pressuring has helped bring Pakistan to the table is there a solution to this problem??
Yes!
The solution is to stop thinking about Pakistan for sometime. Trust me, ignoring works better than anything else in a relationship. Oh pls! Stop rolling your eyes.
Our neighbour/ half brother needs to be ignored for sometime.
This would help India concentrate on what it should be concentrating more right now, our internal problems.
Also this might help Pakistan to introspect and concentrate on their issues.
There are times when I wished we could knock sense into vacuum filled brains of their politicos (and some of ours too). Sigh
wondering why???
We Indians are blessed with good genes, ahem.. I meant baniya genes. We are good investors and our half brothers are not. They have been investing all their hard earned money on some "freedom fighters" in INDIA, who have now turned against them. Has it helped?? Of course not!!

I've no idea why India feels so guilty every time a peace talk fails. Do we see the same reaction from politicos and beuracarats from across the border??? NO.
Take a chill pill India!!!
Relax and concentrate on your issues.


*******
Come on Pakistan!!!
For your own good and ours get over this hatred.
They say the only thing that is constant is change.
I hope some day a wind of change will bring India and Pakistan together again and there will be peace.
Inshallah!

Jab met essay bs comment dekho GA tu hate Kam nah ho g. Or barrey gi.
These indians know about us more than us.
Han agar peace go GA tu brabary ki bunyaad par ho only indian terms par nahi.

 

[dray]

You cannot give us anything as Kashmir is not an Indian territory, not till the Kashmirs say so. As for Pakistan wanting it no we do not want Kashmir for ourselves we want a solution to this disputed territory as per the wishes of the people of Kashmir. If Kashmiries decide that India is their future, by all means, Pakistan will have no problem but until than it will remain a problem for both our countries.

Your last line perfectly depicts the arrogance in you lot which is a problem i have identified earlier. We will continue to do what serves our interest if you think you can manage it, by all means carry on, just stop this 24/7 whining about Pakistan by your sarkar and your media. Its getting boring.

As I said earlier, how Pakistanis see it is up to them, we just don't buy it unless it matches the way we see it, naturally. Under such circumstances, managing the problem is much more practical than trying to solve it.