What are the chances of equipping Pakistani F-16 with Turkish SOM-B2

[Windjammer]

Apart from US approval, some serious system upgrades would also be required .
For the same effort, why shouldn't we integrate the R'had ALCM on the F-16 and one wonders why only a few countries equipped their F-16s with the popular and widely supplied Harpoon missiles.

 

[BHarwana]

Apart from US approval, some serious system upgrades would also be required .
For the same effort, why shouldn't we integrate the R'had ALCM on the F-16 and one wonders why only a few countries equipped their F-16s with the popular and widely supplied Harpoon missiles.

Turkey is doing the integration for them selves all we need to do is buy. We don't need any approval for integration we can buy them off the shelf from Turkey now the main question is what is Turkish status on missile sales to foreign countries. Once turkey has integrated it missile can be fired from Pakistani F-16 as well because TAI did Pakistani F-16 upgrades on Turkish standards.

 

[CriticalThought]

JF-17 is a totally different thing.

We have F-16 and there is a new bomb for the platform all we need to do is buy some. The paper work with US is Turkish headache and they have already done it.

Thunder has the same MIL-STD-1553 bus as F-16.

 

[ARMalik]

This is not news but a discussion questions regarding providing Pakistani F-16 with air to surface cruise missiles capability.

So what are the chances of equipping F-16 in Pakistani inventory with SOM-B2 as it will be operational in Mid 2019.

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Question, if Pakistan can modify and use F-16s to carry its nuclear missiles without asking for US permission, then why it can't carry cruise missiles on F-16s?

 

[BHarwana]

Question, if Pakistan can modify and use F-16s to carry its nuclear missiles without asking for US permission, then why it can't carry cruise missiles on F-16s?

Pakistani F-16 don't carry any nukes. Mirage and JF-17 and few other jets in Pakistani inventory are used for nuclear role.

The question is that do turkey needs any permission from USA to sell the weapon to Pakistan or is the permission part of Turkish integration NOC.

 

[ARMalik]

Pakistani F-16 don't carry any nukes. Mirage and JF-17 and few other jets in Pakistani inventory are used for nuclear role.

The question is that do turkey needs any permission from USA to sell the weapon to Pakistan or is the permission part of Turkish integration NOC.

Actually, PAF did practiced tossing nukes from the F-16s meaning these F-16s were somehow modified to carry the nukes. This is a well know fact that was discussed in details on now defunct PakistanDefenceForum and PakDef.Org forums.

 

[war&peace]

Well to integrate anything, you need permission from US. But if PAF gets it nothing like it.
@Windjammer @Signalian @MastanKhan @Tps43 @Mangus Ortus Novem

@The Eagle Kindly keep an eye on this thread, lets make sure it remains informative.

@BHarwana Good thread, Please expand on it

If Turkey has integrated it on their F-sola then it won't be a problem...
However there are strings attached any system we buy from this murdar uncle.

 

[WarKa DaNG]

looks good to me

 

[BHarwana]

If Turkey has integrated it on their F-sola then it won't be a problem...
However there are strings attached any system we buy from this murdar uncle.

Thanks for highlighting the actual point of discussion.

Now can someone shed any light on what type of strings are attached to Turkish sale of SOM-B2 to Pakistan?

Actually, PAF did practiced tossing nukes from the F-16s meaning these F-16s were somehow modified to carry the nukes. This is a well know fact that was discussed in details on now defunct PakistanDefenceForum and PakDef.Org forums.

My friend the results of a discussion carry no value to me I will restrict the F-16 capability as defined by PAF so F-16 of Pakistan are non nuclear.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

This is not news but a discussion questions regarding providing Pakistani F-16 with air to surface cruise missiles capability.

So what are the chances of equipping F-16 in Pakistani inventory with SOM-B2 as it will be operational in Mid 2019.

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With all due respect, if we had permission to upgrade our F16s to carry SOWs, why would we need Turkish system when we got our own impressive arrays of SOWs? We developed H2 and H4 way back in early 2000s that's nearly two decades ago. Not counting Raad 1/2 and extended range unspecified SOW that we just revealed.

 

[BHarwana]

With all due respect, if we had permission to upgrade our F16s to carry SOWs, why would we need Turkish system when we got our own impressive arrays of SOWs? We developed H2 and H4 way back in early 2000s that's nearly two decades ago. Not counting Raad 1/2 and extended range unspecified SOW that we just revealed.

We don't have permission to integrate that is what I am saying and turkey has the permission my question is can we buy them from turkey or is there any US approval required in between?

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

I always held the believe that Pakistan,Turkey and China can become a deadly aviation trio. Pakistan needs to bring Turkey and China on one page as both have reservations against each other on Eastern Turkestan(Xinjiang) province. Turkey is making great strides in NATO standard armaments.Hopefully one day our JF17 will stand along with the best western aircrafts soon.

 

[Khafee]

We don't have permission to integrate that is what I am saying and turkey has the permission my question is can we buy them from turkey or is there any US approval required in between?

US does not give permission easily for other countries missile integration. There have been exceptions though, MICA, JSM, Taurus KEPD350 etc

Despite the UAE funding the R&D for the Blk60, only MICA is the non-US missile integrated. I'm always open to correction, but as far as I know, the only F16's capable of firing it.

In Turkey's case, Turkey was an integral part of NATO when it started developing & integrating missiles. The situation is very different now. Relations are strained, to the point of breaking, so getting SOM might not be that easy.

The Turks are very capable of making the necessary h/w & s/w changes, PK might even get very favorable financial terms, but without US permission, no point in kicking up a $hit storm.

One way of dealing with this issue, is to turn the tables around. Improve your relationship with Centcom. Get "V" upgrades, as well as new Blk70 (with higher thrust GE engines).

@MastanKhan & @Mangus Ortus Novem can better tell you how to get the money

 

[Windjammer]

The words of a professional.

No tinkering with US supplied equipment without American approval, applies to all countries using US equipment. If US does not permit, we cannot do flight trials without weapon ballistics data. If we do it by hit and trial, we could cause an aircraft crash, resulting in a great credibility loss to the manufacturer. In short no tinkering can be done with ANY system of US origin aircraft. This is especially true of aircraft which are operational in US inventory.

In Turkey's case, it is a NATO member and has certain privileges that we do not have.

If we try something clandestinely, and are caught, it could mean an immediate stoppage of spares support and the fleet would be grounded.

 

[BHarwana]

@Khafee but missile has been integrated by Turkey so the situation is way pass the integration phase the only thing left here is to know that can we buy them?

Turkey has the integration permission as the missile is clearly hanging with the wing of that F-16 of turkey.

The 250km range means we can buy the missile and the integration done by Turkey means they have permission. Now the question is can we buy them?