What Are "Concentration Camps", Why The US Border Facilities Are 'Concentration Camps,'

[beijingwalker]

LOL big difference in exposing your government's and your lies and bad mouthing someone.

I reveal the truth and no more.

So the mud slinging starter is you, not me.

 

[Itachi]

So the mud slinging starter is you, not me.

Do you not understand English??

I'll repeat it again:

Big difference in exposing your government's and your lies and bad mouthing someone.

I reveal the truth and no more.

Plus you and your countrymen have been going on about how the Uyghurs are safe and everything is ok in Xinjiang before I even started exposing your lies. So no, I'm not slinging any mud.....just exposing it as poop.

 

[beijingwalker]

Do you not understand English??

I'll repeat it again:

Big difference in exposing your government's and your lies and bad mouthing someone.

I reveal the truth and no more.

Plus you and your countrymen have been going on about how the Uyghurs are safe and everything is ok in Xinjiang before I even started exposing your lies. So no, I'm not slinging any mud.....just exposing it as poop.

You accuesd me of starting mud slinging mess, remember ? what mud did I sling on Pakistan or China?

you and your countrymen have been going on about how the Uyghurs are safe and everything is ok in Xinjiang

You call this "starting mudslingling?"

You can say that Pakistan is the best place in the world and all people live in great harmony, I would say maybe you are a bit of bragging, but I would never say that is "mudslingling", it seems we do have differences in understanding english words and phrases.

 

[Itachi]

You accuesd me of starting mud slinging mess, remember ? what mud did I sling on Pakistan or China?

Simple, while we were discussing the Uyghur matter, you opened this thread about US Detention camps. You were diverting attention from the actual Concentration Camps, in Xinjiang.

You call this "starting mudslingling?"

You can say that Pakistan is the best place in the world and all people live in great harmony, I would say maybe you are a bit of bragging, but I would never say that is "mudslingling", it seems we do have differences in understanding english words and phrases.

lol what does Pakistan have to do with what you're discussing?

Again, you're just trying to bring in different countries to hide the fact that your country, China, has actual concentration camps. Situation in Pakistan isn't ideal, I know that already. But we were discussing China and you opened this thread about the US so yea, that's "mud slinging" for you.

Is that a good enough parallel for you? Do you now understand what "mudslinging" means?

 

[PeaceGen]

i had fox news open just now in my browser,

and a piece floated by where first fox news exposed the Democrats for blocking funding to border enforcement agencies, and other left-leaning Americans about how they thought border enforcement agencies are treated as a private prison cash cow system.

however, the same Democrats and their supporters also did not know what to do with asylum seekers if, like they want at the moment, they'd stop imprisoning asylum seekers.

this seems like a funding problem to me.
not so much a problem of who has the winning idea(s), because the winning idea, in my view, is a mix of the ideas presented by all Democrats and Republicans.
even more so than it normally is. by a lot.

for starters, you'd need to, as a country, tie immigration opportunities directly to what your economy needs any given year.

then, you'd need to improve living conditions in your asylum seeker temporary housing, with not just the basics covered (like sanitary, non-depressing living arrangements), but also things like planning support for an asylum seeker's path towards citizenship, as well as English classes[1] and education programs to teach newcomers the basics of American society compared to the society they came from.

and you'd need to provide government-run follow up support for these approved-and-processed asylum seekers.
in the US, this might be best organized as a new kind of service for a new kind of private "prison" industry, one with costs and pay just like any other service (like locking people up).

[1] because the idea is, you'd only accept people into your facilities who display the current list of requirements for asylum seeking (economic / professional background compatibility, so they're sure to get and hold a job that actually pays the rent and other living expenses),

and you'd probably need to bump the minimum wage upwards some more, but you can consider that a secondary project, one to complete whenever the economy needs an influx of unskilled labor forces.

and asylum seekers who do not fit the list of requirements, which should be regularly advertised in countries of asylum seekers' origin using US government money (the cost to American society, especially if this situation does not get fixed within the next few years, could easily get a lot higher),
you'd need to ship those straight back, within 24 hours.
if necessary, considerable pressure needs to be applied long-term to the countries of origin, to force them to take care of these returned asylum seekers in a humane way.
a President of the US, as well as other people in office, can fuel what's in the international media via twitter these days, and let's use that improvement to keep an eye on situations like these, where the problem extends beyond it getting fixed in the US, and could return to the US in a number of ways worse than reputation loss.
So if say Guatamala messes up their treatment of their returned asylum seekers, you'd expose that once a week at least from the US via twitter, in a way that is proven to get TV mass media's attention as well. Let's see if they (TV stations) pick up on such things, because they *SHOULD*, per moral obligations of their entire industry.

and finally, the Democrats' talking point about addressing the root causes of migration.
supplying foreign aid to countries to help them create less desperate asylum seekers.

foreign aid, is often siphoned by the corrupt.

i'd advise against sending money to other countries to help them address crime that creates asylum seekers ( [2] gangs terrorizing civilians in countries like Guatamala, taking their sons as soldiers and their daughters as forced sex workers, for instance),
i'd send over police and military advisers and only fund law enforcement of other nations when your own people clearly think it'll relieve pressure on the US.

but whenever possible, i'd use international opinion, and advisers where you know better from experience, to get countries to clean up themselves.

foreign aid just spells "take me and keep the problem going at the same time" to too many in nations that can't exactly be trusted to provide non-corrupt governing, as evidenced by the background of the asylum seekers[2].

that's all i got for now.

 

[beijingwalker]

Simple, while we were discussing the Uyghur matter, you opened this thread about US Detention camps. You were diverting attention from the actual Concentration Camps, in Xinjiang.



lol what does Pakistan have to do with what you're discussing?

Again, you're just trying to bring in different countries to hide the fact that your country, China, has actual concentration camps. Situation in Pakistan isn't ideal, I know that already. But we were discussing China and you opened this thread about the US so yea, that's "mud slinging" for you.

Is that a good enough parallel for you? Do you now understand what "mudslinging" means?

You sound more like an American other than a Pakistani defending US, We have enough of Xinjiang threads going on for you to comment, don't try to derail this thread, this is about US concentration camps.

 

[Itachi]

You sound more like an American other than a Pakistani defending US, We have enough of Xinjiang threads going on for you to comment, don't try to derail this thread, this is about US concentration camps.

No ones defending the US here but you're calling detention camps "Concentration camps" there's a difference. A big difference. On the other hand, I am part American so yea, I can defend the US where it is on the right and speak up against it where it's on the wrong.

That's freedom of speech bet you can't speak against at your Chinese govt. without having your social score go below zero.

 

[beijingwalker]

I am part American so yea, I can defend the US where it is on the right and speak up against it where it's on the wrong.

Ok, so we can debate if US detention centers are concentration centers, based on the video, they fit in every category of concentration camps, you can refute them one by one, check the video first.

 

[gambit]

Ok, so we can debate if US detention centers are concentration centers, based on the video, they fit in every category of concentration camps, you can refute them one by one, check the video first.

We have debated and the border detention facilities do not qualify as 'concentration camps' regardless of what a junior Congresswoman may say.

https://news.yahoo.com/hispanic-pastors-tour-border-facility-094654058.html

There are a few Hispanic religious leaders who actually toured the facilities and found nothing resembling 'concentration camps'.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

the other is fully lawful and beneficial for everyone, especially the illegal immigrants.

No, it’s not lawful to keep migrants in cages indefinitely, separate them from their children, force them to sleep on concrete floors like animals, rape and abuse children and women, while keeping media and the US people in dark about everything by restricting access and information.

These are grave human rights abuses committed by the US, but then again we are talking about a country with a history of taking such measures against minorities like Native Americans, Irish immigrants, Blacks, Japanese, and Muslims.

Is there a source? I would love to learn about this side of the US.

Thousands of Immigrant Children Said They Were Sexually Abused in U.S. Detention Centers, Report Says

The federal government received more than 4,500 complaints in four years about the sexual abuse of immigrant children who were being held at government-funded detention facilities, including an increase in complaints while the Trump administration’s policy of separating migrant families at the border was in place, the Justice Department revealed this week.

The records, which involve children who had entered the country alone or had been separated from their parents, detailed allegations that adult staff members had harassed and assaulted children, including fondling and kissing minors, watching them as they showered, and raping them. They also included cases of suspected abuse of children by other minors.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/27/us/immigrant-children-sexual-abuse.html

 

[Cmdr Keen]

Those are not us citizens in those camps...but ppl who r trying to enter illegally.

concentration Camps in china are made up of Chinese citizens.....trying to escape china...whose organs are sold etc etc...

Biiiiiiiiiiig difference..

Everyone in the world in the right mind....wud rather risk getting caught at the us border.....than getting caught in a Chinese camp....

 

[beijingwalker]

Those are not us citizens in those camps...but ppl who r trying to enter illegally.
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The video clearly say that many of them in the camps are not illegal immigrants, you better watch the video first, and were all people held in Nazi concentration camps Germans?

 

[Itachi]

Ok, so we can debate if US detention centers are concentration centers, based on the video, they fit in every category of concentration camps, you can refute them one by one, check the video first.

Again, your weak understanding of the English language is showing here.

Like some user here mentioned above too, the Detention Camps are used to house illegals who have come to the US illegally.

Chinese Concentration Camps hold Chinese Citizens that're unlawfully held in those camps just like the Jews of Germany.

And yes, I watched the whole video. They're just playing on words in it. These people don't cross the border at checkpoints, most, if not all, border hop to avoid the border agents so that they can live in the US illegally. So they automatically become illegals & not refugees or asylum seekers.

Refugees & Asylum Seekers work with the government of the land, not try to hide, run away or avoid them. That's why these people are in the Detention Camps. Also, saying that most aren't illegals is pure liberal bs.

Also, this tells you how much everyone agrees with the video.

 

[beijingwalker]

Again, your weak understanding of the English language is showing here.

LOl, You keep mentioning that, then you don't have to quote me, we don't speak the same language, I have no trouble talking with most of the posters here, I wish you the same.

Also, this tells you how much everyone agrees with the video.

Most who rated the video are Americans, can be very different in China if it has a Chinese version.

 

[beijingwalker]

Again, your weak understanding of the English language is showing here.

I don't understand why you keeping following me around into almost every thread I posted and talking to a person who barely knows English as you claimed, go to talk to people who can speak English please, I won't miss you.