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By providing them with extra aid, Western powers at the G8 summit are hoping to keep moderate forces at the heart of the Syrian rebel movement, as radical religious groups threaten to take over the uprising against President Bashar Assad.

Imminent increases in non-lethal aid – which can, however, include items such as body armor, hi-tech battlefield gadgets and uniforms - were much-discussed at the two-day London meeting of foreign ministers from the world’s leading nations.

“Our assistance has been on an upward trajectory, and the president has directed his national security team to identify additional measures so that we can increase assistance,” a senior White House source told the New York Times.

The United States – which has already distributed more than $400 million in Syria, mostly in humanitarian aid – pledged an extra $60 million to help the Syrian rebels less than two months ago.

While the pro-opposition states referred to the aid as an act of charity (Hague spoke about “saving Syrian lives” during “the greatest humanitarian catastrophe of the 21st century so far”) Western states are also pursuing tactical and political objectives.

Namely, trying to make the ragtag opposition forces a match for the better-equipped standing army of Bashar Assad, while simultaneously making sure they do not arm or empower extremist rebels.

And the problem of friends who are worse than enemies (for the West) appears to be spiraling out of control.

Earlier this week, al-Nusra, considered one of the most effective opposition military units (perhaps unsurprisingly, considering its make-up of more experienced fighters, often with international ‘experience’) officially declared that it was pledging allegiance to an al-Qaeda affiliate in Iraq, the Islamic State in Iraq.

"We don't support the ideology of al-Nusra," Louay Meqdad, spokesman for the largest rebel group, the Free Syrian Army (FSA) told the AFP news agency, while LCC, another leading faction, said “only Syrians will decide the future of their country”.

But whether it approves or not, FSA and LCC, themselves heterogeneous groups containing genuine moderates and ‘moderate’ Islamists, are finding themselves increasingly sidelined in the conflict, both ideologically and militarily, as soldiers and money pours in from outside actors from across the Muslim world.

Additional European and US aid could bolster the positions of the opposition the West finds acceptable.

Yet those same opposition leaders – who held meetings with Western ministers while in London – believe that only sustained provisions of heavy weaponry, such as anti-aircraft an anti-tank rocket launchers will allow them to emerge victorious in the conflict that has lasted over two years. But, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry made “no promises” during the face-to-face discussions, according to US officials, largely for fear that any weapons might fall into the hands of the radicals.

The West may, however, start to supply its preferred opposition factions with weapons in the coming months, if either Assad or self-professed Islamists take the upper hand in the conflict.

White lists and black lists of opposition groups have been drawn up in Washington, while the UK has openly said it will supply arms to the rebels, with France considering the option. As of now, both countries are restricted by an EU-wide embargo that will expire at the end of spring.

More interventions are likely to be discussed, when the pro-opposition Friends of Syria group of countries next meet in Istanbul on April 20.


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Great, Another Afghanistan in the making. Saudi Arabia supporting Al-Nusra. West supporting "modern" rebels and Iran supporting Syrian goverment. Bye bye Syria. You're Fucked.
 
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7 months back I predicted that the US may supply MANPAD's in this thread:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/arab-d...smart-weapon-when-will-we-see-them-syria.html

It looks like the US is finally ready to supply MANPAD's, probably with kill switches or limited lifetimes:
Explainer: Who Are Syrian Rebels U.S. Is Considering Arming?

Explainer: Who Are Syrian Rebels U.S. Is Considering Arming?

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Most of the rebel forces are part of the Free Syrian Army, a force of some 70,000 defectors from the Syrian military and volunteers. But what about the other forces, especially the radical Islamists?

By Heather Maher
May 10, 2013

Recent claims that chemical weapons have been used in Syria's civil war have increased the pressure on U.S. President Barack Obama to intervene in the conflict. In addition to considering a no-fly zone, he is said to be weighing whether to provide rebel fighters with weapons.

Who are the fighters in Syria's insurgency?

The majority are from the Free Syrian Army, a force of some 70,000 defectors from the Syrian military and volunteers who have taken up arms against the regime. They're part of a loose coalition of 30 armed groups recently brought under a joint military command led by General Salam Idris, a senior Syrian military officer who defected.

Not in the coalition are Islamic militant groups who are also trying to oust President Bashar al-Assad. Many of these fight under the banner of the Syrian Islamic Front, an umbrella group for several hard-line brigades.

Taken together, says Michael O'Hanlon of the Brookings Institution, Syria's opposition fighters are a fractious force with a variety of axes to grind against a regime dominated by Assad's Alawite sect, an offshoot of Shi'ite Islam.

"A number of them are Al-Qaeda linked, especially the Al-Nusra group, and on top of that, we have a number of groups that -- perhaps understandably, but still dangerously -- are extremely embittered by many years or decades of oppression," O'Hanlon says.

"They feel like they -- most of them being Sunnis -- have been systematically deprived of their rights by the Alawite-[dominated] regime, and they intend to settle scores. Then there are real Syrian patriots, and I like to hope that's the largest fraction."

How big of a factor are the Islamic militant groups in the U.S. debate over whether to give weapons to the rebels?

Judging from statements by Obama, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman General Martin Dempsey, and other U.S. officials, their presence in the rebel force is fueling the White House's indecision. They are the wild card in an already high-stakes poker game.

Recently, the leader of the strongest jihadist group, the Al-Nusra Front, pledged allegiance to Al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahri, who has a $25 million U.S. bounty on his head. Predictably, the move raised alarm in Washington, but surprisingly, it also angered other Islamist fighters in Syria.

The Syrian Islamic Liberation Front, which represents several militant groups, said Al-Nusra had pledged loyalty "to someone who does not understand our reality and does not serve our people or nation."

That statement reinforced U.S. perceptions that there is discord even among like-minded rebel groups. And that, O'Hanlon says, is another factor complicating Washington's next move: uncertainty over what will happen if Assad falls.

If and when that happens, the single thread tying all the factions together will be gone. The resulting power vacuum could easily spark another conflict.

"These are groups that have come together in the fairly recent past with a specific military goal in mind. The war has been very tough. They're angry, they're embittered, they're not even happy with us anymore because they think we've betrayed them. They certainly feel Assad's betrayed them," O'Hanlon explains.

"They're probably nervous about each other. The literature on civil war suggests that groups that fight together against a common enemy may ultimately turn on each other if things don't work a certain way."

There's a lot of talk of picking the "right" fighters, but how does the United States do that?

It's all about relationship building, according to O'Hanlon. Foreign governments looking to tilt the balance in the war need to get "into the trenches" with the rebel fighters and get to know them, he says.

Only then can Washington and its allies use incentives like military aid to influence how the various factions work toward their shared goal of regime change.

"I think we have to view this as an ongoing project. We don't just say, 'Here are the 17 groups we'll help and there are the six we won't, and let's assume we got it right once and for all and we can otherwise just keep our hands off.' We've got to stay engaged and try to get more groups to try and behave in an acceptable way," O'Hanlon says.

Couldn't U.S. weapons eventually end up in the wrong hands and be used against U.S. interests?

This is one of Obama's biggest concerns, with good reason. Some weapons sent by the United States and its allies to Afghan mujahedin in the 1980s later ended up in the hands of Islamic extremists.

Controlling the chain of custody once arms are transferred might be impossible, but O'Hanlon believes the United States can take steps to limit the potential blowback.

"We probably have to limit the degree to which we would give any advanced weaponry, like advanced surface-to-air missiles," he says. "If you do wind up providing that sort of thing, you probably have to look for ways to modify them so they have only very short lifetimes with their batteries or maybe even self-destruct after a certain period of time because we can't have these things floating around the world, taking down commercial airliners."

If the United States does decide to send military aid, it won't be the first country to do so: Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Qatar have been quietly supplying the rebels for months.
 
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Great, Another Afghanistan in the making. Saudi Arabia supporting Al-Nusra. West supporting "modern" rebels and Iran supporting Syrian goverment. Bye bye Syria. You're Fucked.

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The West will never arm the FSA on their own or at least they won't provide them with lethal weapons ,so to speak.
 
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This is exactly what happened in the 80s in Afghanistan. So, history does repeat itself.

:lol:

The West will never arm the FSA on their own or at least they won't provide them with lethal weapons ,so to speak.

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The west has armed the FSA through many countries. Otherwise they would not have survived.
 
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This is exactly what happened in the 80s in Afghanistan. So, history does repeat itself.
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The west has armed the FSA through many countries. Otherwise they would not have survived.

Yes, we all know they did via UAE,Qatar,Kuwait,KSA,Turkey,and last but not least Jordan!
 
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I sincerely hope the west has learned it's lesson in Afghanistan and would not supple MANPADS to the FSA. However the FSA could get their hands on some of the "missing" ones from Libya.
 
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they do look like moderate terrorists with those pink bandana...:lol:
 
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Kuwait is involved? Are you sure bro?
Yes, but they can't take too much about it due to the considerable portion of Shias in there country. Last year, The Kuwaiti Ambassdor to the UN went mad and started yelling at his Syrian counterpart demanding that Assad must step down :D I forgot the Q8iti name ,but the Syrian idiot is Bashar Al-Jafari
 
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Yes, but they can't take too much about it due to the considerable portion of Shias in there country. Last year, The Kuwaiti Ambassdor to the UN went mad and started yelling at his Syrian counterpart demanding that Assad must step down :D I forgot the Q8iti name ,but the Syrian idiot is Bashar Al-Jafari

Why don't you just arm with larger numbers and higher quality to make it quicker :/
 
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It doesnt matter who finishes Assad,as long as he is finished.
After that theres allways a way to get rid of the psychos.

Yeah sure always you guys can make another Sumali or Afghanistan.
It's not important that what syrian people want.
 
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