Were the ancestors of MQM leaders the real founders of Pakistan?

[Porus]

@LoveIcon These kinds of topics have been discussed ad nauseam on this forum.The parochial mindset is incorrigible, and the myths are anyway more difficult to quash than reality - especially when they have become vital to justify some baseless claims.

 

[haviZsultan]

Both @Samandri and @rockstar08 have no place on this site. Both refuse to be self critical and each has only a role in provoking the others.

Rockstar if we and our ancestors had given every ethnic group its rights, talked about equality and not thought of the country as a baap dada ki jageer we would have been better off and Pakistan wouldn't have half the problems it has today. Self criticism is good because it tries to do away with notions of loyalty to race and ethnicity. People who are the bakhts of their ethnicities are the real problem today.

Its what I do and its purpose is to help pull back the all engulfing burka of intolerance ad hatred between our people. If people are more critical about ethnicity it can help the country a lot where fights occur over a pathan killing an urdu speaker in an accident. These dumb ideals should disappear in history and here we are taking our ethnicity so seriously.

@Oscar, @Chak Bamu

 

[rockstar08]

Both @Samandri and @rockstar08 have no place on this site. Both refuse to be self critical and each has only a role in provoking the others.

Rockstar if we and our ancestors had given every ethnic group its rights, talked about equality and not thought of the country as a baap dada ki jageer we would have been better off and Pakistan wouldn't have half the problems it has today. Self criticism is good because it tries to do away with notions of loyalty to race and ethnicity. People who are the bakhts of their ethnicities are the real problem today.

Its what I do and its purpose is to help pull back the all engulfing burka of intolerance ad hatred between our people. If people are more critical about ethnicity it can help the country a lot where fights occur over a pathan killing an urdu speaker in an accident. These dumb ideals should disappear in history and here we are taking our ethnicity so seriously.

@Oscar, @Chak Bamu

kindly ... Sir you are free to Kick me out of the Forum but you think that it will change anything ?? you can close you eyes and everything is fine ?? yeah you are allowed to be a TT , even though people like you chant death to all MQM supporters and etc ... and yeah you are so Ashamed on yourself ?? who you are trying to fool here ??

what i did wrong ? sharing my Personal experience ? if this hurt your feeling than change the thinking of Society ... better than kicking me from the forum

Change the Mentality of People where they support their people either in Pakistan or in Abroad ...
if i put your logic in real world All other Ethnicity should be kick out of Karachi

 

[haviZsultan]

kindly ... Sir you are free to Kick me out of the Forum but you think that it will change anything ?? you can close you eyes and everything is fine ?? yeah you are allowed to be a TT , even though people like you chant death to all MQM supporters and etc ... and yeah you are so Ashamed on yourself ?? who you are trying to fool here ??

what i did wrong ? sharing my Personal experience ? if this hurt your feeling than change the thinking of Society ... better than kicking me from the forum

Change the Mentality of People where they support their people either in Pakistan or in Abroad ...
if i put your logic in real world All other Ethnicity should be kick out of Karachi

I don't need to be "told" what racism my community members are capable of. There are Ajmal Pahari's and Saulat Mirza's to tell the world that and still my community does not give up its support Quami terror mafia.

Why should all ethnicities be kicked out of karachi may I ask. That is what the MQM stands for not me. My logic is peace between the various ethnic groups to the point where ethnic identity becomes inconsequential. People joke about it, but refuse to take ethnicity so seriously. We have already once been divided on the base of ethnicity (Bengal) and I see the seeds of such horror in people like you.

Even if Samandri had made a negative post you should have held yourself back from racist comments. We have to fix our own racist heads before talking to others. As a Karachite I have often been exposed to the way our elders think. There is talk about kicking out Pashtuns from karachi, punjabis being chors in our muhajir households. If its something you are proud of then the problem is in you.

You will always point to someone else before removing your own racist problems.

 

[rockstar08]

I don't need to be "told" what racism my community members are capable of. There are Ajmal Pahari's and Saulat Mirza's to tell the world that and still my community does not give up its support Quami terror mafia.

Why should all ethnicities be kicked out of karachi may I ask. That is what the MQM stands for not me. My logic is peace between the various ethnic groups to the point where ethnic identity becomes inconsequential. People joke about it, but refuse to take ethnicity so seriously. We have already once been divided on the base of ethnicity (Bengal) and I see the seeds of such horror in people like you.

Even if Samandri had made a negative post you should have held yourself back from racist comments. We have to fix our own racist heads before talking to others. As a Karachite I have often been exposed to the way our elders think. There is talk about kicking out Pashtuns from karachi, punjabis being chors in our muhajir households. If its something you are proud of then the problem is in you.

You will always point to someone else before removing your own racist problems.

now you see the problem ? you remember Ajmal Pahari , but you forget Hussain Haqqani , Bacha Khan , Baramdagh bhugtti ... why ??? they are not Traitors ?
but no ... you wont remember them ..
and those people you are talking about are criminals from some Political Party , they have no people following , unlike the names i mentioned above ...

the problem is that first people in Pakistan create difference between people and when it goes worse , you start blaming one certain Ethnicity .. this mentality i am against ...

if People are so much in Hate with certain people than they should remain in their States , no need to come to Karachi and pulling legs of people who are living and working here from years ...

and not because of People like me Bangladesh was created it was people like those whom i was talking about .. continuously blaming the entire community and this kind of stuff . watch the reality , i am telling you again .. when you are out of a military cantonment , you are not Pakistani but Sindhi , Punjabi , Baloch and Mujhir ..
either you like it or not ... its truth ...

 

[Gazi]

As i said earlier, do you think only these 2-3 Urdu speakers who was working in PUBLIC & PRIVATE? Does nepotism happen only when someone was Prime Minister and President?

Buddy I think you can come up with more Examples. Did I Stop you from giving few more Examples to prove your Point???Those were NOTABLES we know their would be more that we wont remember at least. Even those other then them arent well known for NEPOTISM or Discrimination.

Zia still get blamed and bashed for everything wrong when he died more than 30 years ago, Ayub Khan and Yahya khan also. It's only your ethnic glasses that are showing you that he is being targeted because he is Urdu speaker, In old times media was under state control which is not the case, and now plays big role in farming peoples opinion, Judiciary was also used to be b!tch of rulers now she also started to claim it's own share of pie. And don't it's still are Punjabi generals who are being accused to stop his trial.

Like I said they were never TARGETED for SELECTIVE JUSTICE in a most BIASED way Possible. I mean why should Musharraf Alone faced a Trial when and all his Cronies walk free. That is something which isnt related to Media has also highlighted through MQM's stance but you only understood when MQM said it is against Urdu Speaker while yet to provide any Solid Argument on their Explanation. Those Punjabi or Whatever Generals have their Interest in Protecting Musharraf because ones the ex Army Chief got Convicted the whole Deep Influence Army Enjoy in Pakistan would come to an end maybe who knows Raheel Sharif could be standing in front of Court to defend his position on Military Operation or Violence or what not. So their own Interest in intact with Musharraf that is why they are trying to Delay it. Still the way Musharraf is Targeted shows Discrimination even in our Judicial System as well not guess who is responsible for that.

Again a lame argument of letting democracy prevail. Didn't he kicked out elected govt.? He did NRO in over confidence thinking that all Pakistan support him and he will remain in power, when it was not the case.

There is no Proof that he Actually Kicked out the Elected Govt. because it was Nawaz Sharif who didnt allowed his Plane to Land in Pakistan which causes a lot of Activities in the ground. How would he ordered his Comrades in Mid Air to Takeover the Control of Govt.?The actual Situation develop when he landed in Pakistan. As for NRO then it was Over Confidence thinking as well as Strong Domestic and International Pressure which causes this to Happened as those Parties were taking Advantage of Liar's Movement in Pakistan and had gained lot of supported among people as well so any other Alternative then NRO would have been to not allowing them to contest Election and you imagine the fallout of that in a country.

I already told you, when there is already accusation of Punjabization than why we should paint circle on our backs. You allocate jobs as per our population to us, we are happy with it. You remove quota that that's also good for us as we will be able to get even more share than current. So, it's up to smaller provinces to decide which way they are happy. I am talking about federal quotas here, your provincial quotas is none of our concern nor you have any grounds to blame Punjab for it.

Those smaller province would like to have anything that delivers or at least Address their Grievances instead of considering something about it. Punjab is most develop Province in Pakistan while other Provinces are way Backward now a days so their is a clear discrimination observed by everyone that is why many crucial projects like Tarbela Dam is becoming subject to Politics in Pakistan. If you think about it then share of Population is not working here anymore so either this should be changed or it should be REFORMED which require voice from Bigger Province or otherwise they would consider the one which is getting most of the benefit PART OF THE PROBLEM for this whole Mess in our Public Sector. A person Qualifying by following Strict recruitment Process is good enough to a person who earned this spot on the basis of Connections or Influence. That wont going to hurt Punjab but it sure is hurting others.

Why should all ethnicities be kicked out of karachi may I ask. That is what the MQM stands for not me. My logic is peace between the various ethnic groups to the point where ethnic identity becomes inconsequential. People joke about it, but refuse to take ethnicity so seriously. We have already once been divided on the base of ethnicity (Bengal) and I see the seeds of such horror in people like you.

I think you are Living in 1980s or Early 1990s to consider that. MQM is not interested in that anymore they are werent even Interested in that on the first Place but it was Impression that Jamatis use to give about MQM so stop living with Jamatis ideas about others and start evaluating Current Affairs MQM is involved in because I have seen a Senator like Tahir Hussain Mashadi(Punjabi) and Barrister Saif(Pashtun) Elected on MQM's ticket. Isnt that enough to prove the point that they are giving Opportunities to whomever Competent Enough to be part of upper House?I have seen MQM more involved in PLURALISM in Karachi rather then Ethnonationalism here. It is other community that doesnt support MQM despite they would be found Admitting the fact that MQM is better for Karachi instead. It is like asking MQM to Expand in Pakistan while at the same time doesnt even have room to tolerate in Karachi.

Even if Samandri had made a negative post you should have held yourself back from racist comments. We have to fix our own racist heads before talking to others. As a Karachite I have often been exposed to the way our elders think. There is talk about kicking out Pashtuns from karachi, punjabis being chors in our muhajir households. If its something you are proud of then the problem is in you.

You will always point to someone else before removing your own racist problems.

Sumandri was trying to prove that whatever Happened in Urdu Dramas are like thinking Process of all Urdu Speakers that is called Stereotyping. As far as Kicking out Pashtuns are concerned then I never came up with such thing from our Elders instead even many Educated and well Integrated Pashtun say lot of bad things about their Pashtun Brethren living in Ghettos. This whole thing is directed towards Ghetoisation of Karachi where chunk of city Criminals are located. If they ever been to Jamshed Town they would say the same for Memons as well because of obvious and as far as Punjabis are concerned most of them who comes to Karachi are from Sareiky Belt that actually doesnt get integrated otherwise people from Central and North Punjab Integrate quite Easily in Karachi and this Sareiky Belt is also known for Lawlessness just like Interior Sindh. This this perception is also based on experience if you ever been to Sachal Goth or areas where their Ghettos are located then you would also acknowledge the fact about it as well. Perception are built on Social experiences and Interactions as well ever wonder why Pakistanis are so famous in UK.

 

[SQ8]

Both @Samandri and @rockstar08 have no place on this site. Both refuse to be self critical and each has only a role in provoking the others.

Rockstar if we and our ancestors had given every ethnic group its rights, talked about equality and not thought of the country as a baap dada ki jageer we would have been better off and Pakistan wouldn't have half the problems it has today. Self criticism is good because it tries to do away with notions of loyalty to race and ethnicity. People who are the bakhts of their ethnicities are the real problem today.

Its what I do and its purpose is to help pull back the all engulfing burka of intolerance ad hatred between our people. If people are more critical about ethnicity it can help the country a lot where fights occur over a pathan killing an urdu speaker in an accident. These dumb ideals should disappear in history and here we are taking our ethnicity so seriously.

@Oscar, @Chak Bamu

Please report all racism and it will be dealt with severely.

 

[Samandri]

Please report all racism and it will be dealt with severely.

After checking the full context.......

Both @Samandri and @rockstar08 have no place on this site. Both refuse to be self critical and each has only a role in provoking the others.

Rockstar if we and our ancestors had given every ethnic group its rights, talked about equality and not thought of the country as a baap dada ki jageer we would have been better off and Pakistan wouldn't have half the problems it has today. Self criticism is good because it tries to do away with notions of loyalty to race and ethnicity. People who are the bakhts of their ethnicities are the real problem today.

Its what I do and its purpose is to help pull back the all engulfing burka of intolerance ad hatred between our people. If people are more critical about ethnicity it can help the country a lot where fights occur over a pathan killing an urdu speaker in an accident. These dumb ideals should disappear in history and here we are taking our ethnicity so seriously.

@Oscar, @Chak Bamu

Why you are dragging me into your " Mohajir" issues with Rockstar ?. Rock star, in argument with loveicon, is attacking punjabis in quite MQM fashion, that mujras in houses of punjabis is part of their culture........i have to remind him that ''mairasi" caste is found in all cultures of subcontinent, his urdu people were also not free from it, infact in lucknow it was on the whole other level. You people, the MQM-ites, should think twice before attacking other cultures. Dont un-necesaarily tag me and talk about me , i am not your colleague. Either quote my post directly or Just press report button

 

[SQ8]

After checking the full context.......

Why you are dragging me into your " Mohajir" issues with Rockstar ?. Rock star, in argument with loveicon, is attacking punjabis in quite MQM fashion, that mujras in houses of punjabis is part of their culture........i have to remind him that ''mairasi" caste is found in all cultures of subcontinent, his urdu people were also not free from it, infact in lucknow it was on the whole other level. You people, the MQM-ites, should think twice before attacking other cultures. Here is what i said.

Usual suspects need to be seen, as they spare no chance to bash other races.

 

[Samandri]

Usual suspects need to be seen, as they spare no chance to bash other races.

And who are the usual suspects in this thread?

 

[Gazi]

Usual suspects need to be seen, as they spare no chance to bash other races.

I think this Racial motivated Thread would find its way for more racist Rants so better close it because it serves no Constructive purpose here.

 

[SQ8]

Thread closed for allowing in built racist thoughts and ideals to spew.