Went for passport renewal today..

[Hyde]

No we in UK had to declare our Religion this time round while filling in the electoral register form...It was mendatory and an arrestable offense not to declare it..

Last time I travelled to one of the country they stopped me on UK airport for few minutes and even asked about the sect I belonged to ---- Religion was not enough that they enquired every in and outs of me and even the names of the Mosques I attend in UK and how many times a week/month/year I go to those mosques

Yeah security situation so I don't mind but it's not like other countries are so liberal that they will never ask about your faith

 

[Dance]

No we in UK had to declare our Religion this time round while filling in the electoral register form...It was mendatory and an arrestable offense not to declare it..

I'm pretty sure theres not a religion section on the British passport though, right?

And yeah some government documents may ask for your religious beliefs, but I was referring to just passports in general.

 

[Safriz]

Last time I travelled to one of the country they stopped me on UK airport for few minutes and even asked about the sect I belonged to ---- Religion was not enough that they enquired every in and outs of me and even the names of the Mosques I attend in UK and how many times a week/month/year I go to those mosques

Yeah security situation so I don't mind but it's not like other countries are so liberal that they will never ask about your faith

Declaration of your ethnic origin,and religion is used in UK to allocate Public funds ..
Areas with more population of Non local Ethnicities are allocated less funds,and councils take less care of thiose areas than areas where they have Local ethnicities...
Go to BlackBurn,Burnley in Lancashire and Longsight in Mancjester and you will feel the difference..It will be dirty,roads will have pot holes and then go to Stockport in Manchester and its different world because whites live there...

So there you go...Pakistan isnt alone is asking such details...

I'm pretty sure theres not a religion section on the British passport though, right?

And yeah some government documents may ask for your religious beliefs, but I was referring to just passports in general.

It was Census form,not Electoral register...
You can write No-religion but still you have to declare your ethnicity ....
So still your privacy is breached and government will make a record that In house number so and so a non ethnic British is living..
And if the area is strwn with Non ethnic Brits then say welcome to less Funding from Government and dirty broken roads and police taking side with Criminals against victims...and most of the time not bothering to answer your call....

 

[Dance]

It was Census form,not Electoral register...
You can write No-religion but still you have to declare your ethnicity ....
So still your privacy is breached and government will make a record that In house number so and so a non ethnic British is living..
And if the area is strwn with Non ethnic Brits then say welcome to less Funding from Government and dirty broken roads and police taking side with Criminals against victims...and most of the time not bothering to answer your call....

Well even in the U.S they ask you what your ethnic background is on the census.
As for the rest, well thats just U.K problems with racial tensions and all that...

 

[techdiver]

It's a simple process... on Pakistani passport it is written whether you are a Muslim or not...

Why does ANYONE need to know what religion you are ? What does it have to do with getting a passport ?

 

[Safriz]

Why does ANYONE need to know what religion you are ? What does it have to do with getting a passport ?

Read through the thread before commenting and you will find the answer....
Its not only Pakistan..many countrys ask same of similar Questions.....
You had a 7 page long thread on exactly same issue yesterday and still asking same Questions you asked yesterday?

This is your thread in which you asked same question and was replied in the very lengthy discussion spanning about 4 pages...

http://www.defence.pk/forums/curren...an-shuns-physicist-linked-god-particle-7.html

 

[W.11]

I've seen many time that ahmadiya are being now forced on us by many ......yes to call one self a Muslim it is necessary to accept basic principle of islaam. Ahmadiya or qadiyani are different religion. Yes they accept Muhammad as messenger but contradict that he is the last messenger. Why do Christians around the world call us Muslim. Why don't they just call us Christian. We accept Jesus as gods messenger but we don't agree with other faiths of them as Jesus is son of God etc that's why..., its not discrimination its protecting our identity ...

well said sir!! respect

 

[FaujHistorian]

It is horribly offensive to put religious column or field on the passport.

A citizen is a citizen regardless of his/her religion.

If Saudi want to allow only one sect or two sects then that's their problem. They can have a visa form to ask for all these $tupid questions.

For us, every Pakistani should carry one type and only one type of ID and that is I am a Pakistani. Not Hindu, not Muslim, no Ahmadi, not Christian, just Pakistani.

However for primitive tribal minds, the concept of citizenship is totally alien.

And unfortunately Pakistani religious policies are being dictated by primitive tribal minds.

No wonder our country is in the gutter and the same primitive tribal minds are running to and settling in UK.


peace.

 

[Meengla]

Unlike @AsimAquil above, I had to sign onto the disgraceful statement a few times. Believe me that it was not done without some feeling of shame.
I felt tempted to not sign the statement but then better, 'practical' sense prevailed.
PS. I think Bhutto caved into the religious right when he declared Ahmadis as non-Muslims. But he did so after much anguish, knowing it was wrong (read Cowasjee's account of that conversation). I think it was Zia who, from the bottom of his heart of bigotry, who introduced such things in the passport.

 

[Yogi]

u guys might be surprised to knw that before coming on pdf i used to think that atleast the best thing about islam is that it does not discriminate among muslims....

 

[Safriz]

Unlike @AsimAquil above, I had to sign onto the disgraceful statement a few times. Believe me that it was not done without some feeling of shame.
I felt tempted to not sign the statement but then better, 'practical' sense prevailed.
PS. I think Bhutto caved into the religious right when he declared Ahmadis as non-Muslims. But he did so after much anguish, knowing it was wrong (read Cowasjee's account of that conversation). I think it was Zia who, from the bottom of his heart of bigotry, who introduced such things in the passport.

Whay was it shameful to accept yourself being a Muslim? and not an imposter Qadiani?

Qadianis are specifically mentiond in the form as they say we the muslims are non muslims by not beleiving in Mirza Qadiani and they are Muslims by Denying the Last Prophethood of our Prophet Mohammad (PBUH)..

So to avaouid being replaced..The decleration...I know it wont make sense to many pre-set "Liberal" minds but its a very sensible thing to do ijn a country which was conceived a s acountry of Muslims...

The Qadianis Argue thet Prophethood Didnt end at Hazrat Mohammad (PBUH)...But then why dont they beleive in every claimant of Prophethood starting from "Musailmaa Kazzab" and even today a guy in Pakistan Called "Gohar Shahi" claims to be Prophet..
So Mirza Qadiani has been superceeded alrready with many and was preceded by many....If Qadisnis beleive in coming of more prophets why dont they change prophet every decade or so as new claimants do appaer ever so often...
Apecially in Muslim countries of Africa where every other Narcotic smoker claims to see things and be a saint or a Prophet..

u guys might be surprised to knw that before coming on pdf i used to think that atleast the best thing about islam is that it does not discriminate among muslims....

Qadisnis are not muslims.

 

[Roybot]

Declaring your own religion is one thing, judging someone else's religion on your passport form another. Am surprised you guys don't find anything wrong with it.

Qadiyanis are declared non Muslims by the state, fine, but why does every Pakistani has to emphasise on that while filling out your passport form . Is denouncing Qadiyanis is necessity to be a Muslim now?

I think it begets more hate towards the Qadiyanis, and is not necessary at all.

Declaration of your ethnic origin,and religion is used in UK to allocate Public funds ..
Areas with more population of Non local Ethnicities are allocated less funds,and councils take less care of thiose areas than areas where they have Local ethnicities...
Go to BlackBurn,Burnley in Lancashire and Longsight in Mancjester and you will feel the difference..It will be dirty,roads will have pot holes and then go to Stockport in Manchester and its different world because whites live there...

So there you go...Pakistan isnt alone is asking such details...
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You can not compare census forms to this! For starters it doesn't ask you anything about a third person or group.

Imagine if the form was like, Religion: XYZ; Next question, What do you think about Muslims. How would that make you feel?

As for allocation of Public funds to different suburbs is concerned I think it mostly depends on tax earnings different suburbs. A more affluent suburb will get more public funding.

 

[Safriz]

Declaring your own religion is one thing, judging someone else's religion on your passport form another. Am surprised you guys don't find anything wrong with it.

Qadiyanis are declared non Muslims by the state, fine, but why does every Pakistani has to emphasise on that while filling out your passport form . Is denouncing Qadiyanis is necessity to be a Muslim now?

I think it begets more hate towards the Qadiyanis, and is not necessary at all.



You can not compare census forms to this! For starters it doesn't ask you anything about someone else.

As for allocation of Public funds to different suburbs is concerned I think it mostly depends on tax earnings from different suburbs. A more affluent suburbs gets more public funding.

This is an state's way of Deploring Imposters of a well established religion....
There is no colums deploring Hindus,sikhs,christians,Parsis,Chtralis who are all non muslims and get Pakistani passport without problem.

And no..declaration of ethnicity and allocation of funds based on that comes under same catagory as i pay exactly sam taxes as white guy...

 

[SamantK]

I've seen many time that ahmadiya are being now forced on us by many ......yes to call one self a Muslim it is necessary to accept basic principle of islaam. Ahmadiya or qadiyani are different religion. Yes they accept Muhammad as messenger but contradict that he is the last messenger. Why do Christians around the world call us Muslim. Why don't they just call us Christian. We accept Jesus as gods messenger but we don't agree with other faiths of them as Jesus is son of God etc that's why..., its not discrimination its protecting our identity ...

I'm sure that you will not be asked for a declaration / pronouncement of a faith by any of the 'Christian' country if you suddenly decide that you are a Christian too ..

I'm sorry to hear that a state needs to protect your religious Identity instead of your oun belief... If being a believer of Bibal and Quran you claim to be the second version of Christian and want to declare yourself as such, will you be asked to disavow the Quran or the prophet is the question?

 

[Hyde]

u guys might be surprised to knw that before coming on pdf i used to think that atleast the best thing about islam is that it does not discriminate among muslims....

Does it? ---- Some people does --- not the religion itself...

Even writing the religion on passport does not discriminate anybody. It's just a way to collect the data