welcome to bjp's india Church in Delhi's Vasant Kunj area vandalized

[jamahir]

We don't need more social schemes or time wasting dharnas but we need damn jobs we can earn our livelihood by our self we don't need AAP ki bhikh.

yes, yes... to hell with round-the-year suiciding farmers and school students... money forevah !!!

Not sure what to believe.

Mangalore Weeds within - Seven Arrested for Damaging Church Property

your article is from 2009 and clearly mentions petty criminals not involved in church damage but of damaging a banana plantation belonging to the church... what happened last year was big damage to a church, obviously work of bajrang dal or ram sena... there were photos of the destruction posted on pdf, yes?? why hasn't anyone been caught these many months later??

False flagger for sure.

obviously, anyone who doesn't chant "bolo namo namo" is false flagger.

did it proved ? in eveidance or by court?

courts can be wrong... what is supreme is common sense... two days ago on pdf was a thread about a odisha court pressurizing a lady to marry her rapist just so that she gets "social sanction"... that judge should be punished.

 

[Sam.]

Oh you seem to know everything.... What are you doing here on PDF, You should have been the RAW Super Agent aka Desi James Bond and foiling all the anti-national activities even before they begun...

No i don't know everything but i know enough not to vote for AAP and yes i know the ground situation from Muffarnagar as i am from there.

And no AAP is not anti Nationalist party but they are socialist to the core and oh boy Socialist gave many prosperous countries to the world so far right?

yes, yes... to hell with round-the-year suiciding farmers and school students... money forevah !!!

Sir your own post contradict yourself as those farmers suicide due to lack of money ,perhaps you are a rich person so money doesn't matter to you but for us middle class or poor citizens money is the only way to improving our and our children lifes.

So yeah money foreva!! happy?

 

[jamahir]

Sir your own post contradict yourself as those farmers suicide due to lack of money ,perhaps you are a rich person so money doesn't matter to you but for us middle class or poor citizens money is the only way to improving our and our children lifes.

So yeah money foreva!! happy?

i was being sarcastic... i am socialist... please look at my user-name and profile-picture and my posts.

and oh boy Socialist gave many prosperous countries to the world so far right?

it did... why should you doubt that??

 

[wolfschanzze]

False-flag by the church most likely. They have a habit of doing this.

Mangalore Weeds within - Seven Arrested for Damaging Church Property
7 christians damage their own church property to blame it on Hindu outfits and create Communal Unrest.
Most likely,this was another ploy or some Drunk and Dare contest as was seen in previous case.

 

[pursuit of happiness]

yes, yes... to hell with round-the-year suiciding farmers and school students... money forevah !!!



your article is from 2009 and clearly mentions petty criminals not involved in church damage but of damaging a banana plantation belonging to the church... what happened last year was big damage to a church, obviously work of bajrang dal or ram sena... there were photos of the destruction posted on pdf, yes?? why hasn't anyone been caught these many months later??



obviously, anyone who doesn't chant "bolo namo namo" is false flagger.



courts can be wrong... what is supreme is common sense... two days ago on pdf was a thread about a odisha court pressurizing a lady to marry her rapist just so that she gets "social sanction"... that judge should be punished.

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court can be wrong yes..
but did it got opporunty to do so ?
who are we to decalred some one repsonsible wihout having solid proof and just based on our thinking and pereption of reaity .. is not same way taliban does it.. ?
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which odisah court said it?
High court?
those who give wrong decision get punishe but that have systm to do so .. and it works.. may not 100 % but wotks
exa. judge dinkaran case ..
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[Sam.]

i was being sarcastic... i am socialist... please look at my user-name and profile-picture and my posts.



it did... why should you doubt that??

You are a socialist and nothing wrong in that and you have every right to defend your beliefs but tell me pre 1991 India was a socialist economy and do you think India prosper in economic front before 1991 or after ?

Also do provide me name of countries which developed using socialist schemes and then i will provide you name of countries who developed after leaving socialist schemes.

Also don't be sarcastic of death of poor farmers as there is no sarcasm in that.

 

[SamantK]

Can you prove that? Or all that you have is mere suppositions?



Oh yeah, the poor Karsevaks were busy singing hyms and bhajans when all of a sudden the mullah brigade go crazy. So much for my imagination... May be this is the base for my imagination

" The officer said the fire occured following a scuffle between kar sevaks and tea vendors at the station. He admitted he had recorded Sophiya Sheikh's statement, with whom the kar sevaks misbehaved as she waited at the station with her mother and sister. It was this that sparked off the altercation between the vendors and kar sevaks. But for reasons unknown, he said he didn't include Sophiya's statement in the chargesheet."

Source: www.outlookindia.com |


It speaks of cause of riot but does it also speak about the cause of this "cause" aka Godhra train burning


Aren't we speaking of who benefited from this and you go on a verbal diarrhea...? You have nothing to rebut my point


Any guesses as to why was this a strategic move? Oh yes 1984 - Sympathy wave and 2002 - Hindutva wave. And the end result, Aren't they similar?



Can you name a few of the riots preceding the elections where BJP did not benefit post poll?

And for the rest of your ad-hominem rant, naah it doesn't really affect to me...

So a scuffle leads to burning the whole compartment are you saying that Muslims are so intolerant that a scuffle for them and for you justifies burning the whole compartment?

As I said attributing benefit and reaping are two different things, you need to read carefully. By your logic if BJP benefits in vote share from a corrupt congress govt then the fault is with BJP for making Congress corrupt?

Are you always this intelligent?

And as I pointed out Congress has done the same but you seem to malign only BJP, why this bias?

Many in UP. And all these riots started after SP came to power after BSP now it seems you are not gullible but a blatant liar.

 

[jamahir]

which odisah court said it?
High court?

no, the local court of bhubaneshwar.

Odisha rape accused marries victim in jail after agreement in court

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court can be wrong yes..
but did it got opporunty to do so ?
who are we to decalred some one repsonsible wihout having solid proof and just based on our thinking and pereption of reaity .. is not same way taliban does it.. ?

well, even if bajrang dal and ram sena were not involved in that case, the courts and police should use it as excuse to eliminate those groups... india should learn at least now from how egypt government has been doing with ikhwaan ( "muslim" brotherhood )... no criminal gangs should be tolerated for technical reasons.

those who give wrong decision get punishe but that have systm to do so .. and it works.. may not 100 % but wotks

no, the indian legal/police system mostly carries over from the unnecessarily complicated british system.

exa. judge dinkaran case ..
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i don't really know anything about that case... if it is related anything with "corruption", i always tend to ignore from such cases because "corruption" is not the worst crisis that india has.

but tell me pre 1991 India was a socialist economy and do you think India prosper in economic front before 1991 or after ?

india was never socialist... i have said that on pdf a hundred times... the "indian" system of the last 2900 years was always capitalist... extremely capitalist... most capitalist in history.

Also do provide me name of countries which developed using socialist schemes and then i will provide you name of countries who developed after leaving socialist schemes.

one example... the libyan jamahiriya... a brazil journalist in tripoli, 1976...

The Libyan not willing to work would receive the equivalent salary valued today of $ 7,000 USD per month.

Plus, doctors, hospitals and medicines were all for free. Nobody paid for education in a Libyan school and whoever wanted to continue their education outside the country would receive a substantially good scholarship.

It was a habit in the country that if someone did not like the car anymore, he only had to abandon the car with the key inside [ for someone else to begin using that car ]. This was the era of Libya.

Those Libyans who did not have a home, all they needed was to make a request to the government and it immediately arranged to start building one. The country was a huge construction site, by the way.

And more: A law in act, the Law of the Mattress. It determined that any Libyan citizen who knew of the existence of a rented house only had to throw a mattress in the backyard of the house to make it his own.

Just to have an idea about Gaddafi's Libya, everything sold was about the same price, $3 USD. There were gigantic supermarkets, but nothing was sold at retail. Anyone wishing to buy rice, for example, would pay $ 3 for the 50 kilo bag. Everything was sold on that basis.

At the door, I asked the ambassador if he could give us a testimonial about Gaddafi. "Gaddafi is a genius," he said. Surprised, I asked him, "Do you really consider Gaddafi a Genius?" "Yes! A Genius!" he said.

source - The Libya I Once Knew

venezuela is being rearranged into another jamahiriya.

Also don't be sarcastic of death of poor farmers as there is no sarcasm in that.

i have the right to be sarcastic and jokey about farmer suicides because i am the one to cry for them.

i am the one to always talk about such things when the majority of indian members ( sanghis ) keep talking about "economic power" and "super power" and such fabled mythical things.

 

[About.to.be.banned]

So says the high cast antenna wielding Brahmin!!

Hurry up, your cow is about to raise its tail..!!

Just like China is putting up its fake historical maps and claiming lands of all and sundry. RSS Bigots are quoting history to lay claim to all and everything.

We love the nation of India but it certainly does not mean we will respect BJP and its goons who are trying to be the moral police and thekedar our culture.

India will be free of devilish brahminic rule. The dalits and downtrodden will be united and rule India.

Changing religion does not change DNA. If you are of inferior blood Hindu, you would be an even more inferior blood Christian.

It would be better if you work hard like everyone else to improve your life, rather than wallow in victimhood filth. You do not have anything which you could leverage to come to power. You are not intelligent, neither good looking, instituted inquisitions,Still on payroll of foreigners, and you sided with Britishers thus wrecking your dream of supplanting elites like you did in Korea (friendly reminder: We Won) . Even if you achieve your dream of converting all SC's, you would still be less than 20%.

No go away and vandalise some Church to pin blame on Big Bad Hindu Wolf, like you did in Mangalore. Keep doing it and you may finally get your dream job, of cleaning Italian toilets. That is the glass ceiling for a recent convert.

We are not obsessed with this white master/ brown master thingy. We dont have hangover of slavery days like you do. As for Christians, they are the most casual followers of religion. We dont have any high regard for any xyz saint or Pope. Religion is secondary in our lives. We are not like overzealous Mullahs or Chaddis.

Hilarious!!

If you do not have inferiority complex vis-a-vis your White Masters and High Caste people(fair coloured), Why did you converted to Christianity to begin with?

Science has proven that Christian God could not exist. Science has progressed to the point (and it has been a case for past 100 years) that it has conclusively disproven existence of a meddling God. The only God that could exist is someone who set Big Bang in motion, and did not gave a damn about what happens afterward. Certainly not a Semetic God.

So why did you convert to Christianity, if not for of your inferiority complex?

 

[wolfschanzze]

they are as much as communal as bjp muslim youth will choose AAP and AAP only we will empower the muslims of Delhi and make sure they get the best jobs available ,vote for AAP and make corruption free Delhi where every religion is respected with 0 tolerance towards extremists all will be behind bars i assure you that

Another kite flier party,who flies Secularism and Muslim Appeasement kites to woo Secular Muslim votes.

So says the high cast antenna wielding Brahmin!!

Hurry up, your cow is about to raise its tail..!!

Just like China is putting up its fake historical maps and claiming lands of all and sundry. RSS Bigots are quoting history to lay claim to all and everything.

We love the nation of India but it certainly does not mean we will respect BJP and its goons who are trying to be the moral police and thekedar our culture.

India will be free of devilish brahminic rule. The dalits and downtrodden will be united and rule India.

You idiot,This is Hindu land, not Christian land.

 

[scrumpy]

your article is from 2009 and clearly mentions petty criminals not involved in church damage but of damaging a banana plantation belonging to the church... what happened last year was big damage to a church, obviously work of bajrang dal or ram sena... there were photos of the destruction posted on pdf, yes?? why hasn't anyone been caught these many months later??

There was no church attack in Mangalore last year that I am aware of. There were a few attacks in the previous years for which the then BJP government in the state paid a heavy price by losing most of their assembly seats from that area.

I suspect you are thinking of the fire in a church in Delhi.

The thing with the attacks on these churches is that it doesn't seem to benefit BJP in any way. In the case of Mangalore, before the attacks on the churches, there was a lot of noise made about issues like cow slaughter, about conversions and about distributions of certain books which denigrated Hindu Gods. That was used as an attempt to polarise hindu vote in Mangalore which has a fairly large catholic population. But it failed spectacularly. They lost most of their seats from an area which was thought to be their bastion.

In the case of Delhi, you aren't seeing this sort of attempt to polarise hindus, the attacks seem to work the other way and polarise christians and other minorities to vote agains the BJP. That is where the article is relevant. Things aren't as black and white that an attack on church property must have been done by BJP.

 

[wolfschanzze]

We are not obsessed with this white master/ brown master thingy. We dont have hangover of slavery days like you do. As for Christians, they are the most casual followers of religion. We dont have any high regard for any xyz saint or Pope. Religion is secondary in our lives. We are not like overzealous Mullahs or Chaddis.

You are slaves of whites that is why you converted to your white master religion and adopted their customs.
Yeah we all know how casual followers of religion you are, I don't have to go into World history, Just a reminder of Goan Inquisition In India and forced famine and Genocide of Bengalis is enough.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Mangalore Weeds within - Seven Arrested for Damaging Church Property
7 christians damage their own church property to blame it on Hindu outfits and create Communal Unrest.
Most likely,this was another ploy or some Drunk and Dare contest as was seen in previous case.

Yeah, like I said - AAP and Congress should not damage Churches. It goes against the very fabric of secularism in our country.

But it failed spectacularly. They lost most of their seats from an area which was thought to be their bastion.

Looks like it has turned into a secular fortress.

 

[The_Showstopper]

So a scuffle leads to burning the whole compartment are you saying that Muslims are so intolerant that a scuffle for them and for you justifies burning the whole compartment?

Can I ask the same question to you, Are Hindus so intolerant that they go on a killing, maiming and raping rampage without even being considerate to children? Anyways I shall try answering your question, Due you think a mob will think of all niceties of tolerance and intolerance in the heat of the moment when following things have happened...

"Sophia testified before the court that she and her family were standing on platform No. 1 when the Sabarmati pulled in. Some men with saffron strips on their head got off for tea and snacks. They were shouting Jai Shri Ram. Some of them were beating a Muslim man with a stick and shouting “Kill Musalmans”. Frightened, Sophia and her family started moving away when one of the men grabbed her from behind, clamped her mouth and tried dragging her away. Her mother shouted loudly for help; the man let go. Sophia says she and her family stood in the booking clerk’s office for a while then gave up the idea of going to Vadodara, took a rickshaw and went back to her aunt’s house"

"Another point to be considered is that before the Godhra incident the kar sevaks had been creating trouble on the trains to and from Ayodhya. They harassed, bullied and abused Muslim passengers, and forced them to say "Jai Shree Ram". Many non-Muslim passengers were also harassed and not allowed to sit on the seats that they had reserved for themselves. On the train that burned, even the ticket conductor was pushed out of a reserved compartment. Jan Morcha, a Hindi daily published from Ayodhya, carried a report on February 25 about how kar sevaks had harassed passengers, and even beaten some of them, on the Sabarmati Express. "

Source: The facts from Godhra
Source: Tehelka - India's Independent Weekly News Magazine

As I said attributing benefit and reaping are two different things, you need to read carefully. By your logic if BJP benefits in vote share from a corrupt congress govt then the fault is with BJP for making Congress corrupt?

Are you always this intelligent?

What kind of analogy is that? And you speak of intelligence? Does Congress corruption benefit BJP? Obviously yes but how come BJP help make Congress corrupt? Any explanation as to how they do that? And you go on to compare this with BJP stoking religious tension for reaping political benefits, Well the answer is yes and has definitely benefited BJP. The following excerpt of a news article proves my point.

"Advani was hailed as a Hindutva icon and BJP performed exceptionally well in the communally surcharged elections that followed the Rath Yatra, In the decade that followed Advani’s countrywide yatra, the BJP’s Ayodhya movement helped it make inroads into the Hindi heartland."

Source: From core issue to footnote: Ram Mandir’s journey in BJP manifestos | The Indian Express

And as I pointed out Congress has done the same but you seem to malign only BJP, why this bias?

So are you trying to say that Congress conspired Indira Gandhi's death and then took advantage of sympathy that followed? Because what BJP did was stoke the Gujarat riots and took advantage of the resultant polarization by announcing the elections well before the required date.

Many in UP. And all these riots started after SP came to power after BSP now it seems you are not gullible but a blatant liar.

You seem to have problems comprehending simple english sentences. I asked you the following

"Can you name a few of the riots preceding the elections where BJP did not benefit post poll?" and you come up with the above post of yours?

 

[scrumpy]

Looks like it has turned into a secular fortress.

Not exactly. While the BJP lost heavily in the coastal districts which include Mangalore and Udupi, they returned BJP candidates for the general elections. BJP in the state assembly lead by Yedurappa was thought to be corrupt and seemed to go soft on vigilantes which had attacked churches, a home stay, women in pubs, etc. In all those cases, the attackers were known and they seemed to having taken pride in having committed violence.