Web of Failure: How China Internet Policies Have Doomed Chinese Soft Power

[Korean]

The censhoship can be a pain in the arse when you are in China.

Yet you dutifully defend your motherland China against all critics.

 

[RescueRanger]

You know nothing about the CIA. I lunched with a CIA agent once a long time ago and he inducted me into the Agency. I have a dark grey trench coat, a black fedora, and a shiny chrome badge that says: 'CIA Secret Agent Man'. All CIA SAMs know the secret handshake and have a secret decoder ring. Facebook is a CIA front and all members are CIA SAMs, including those in mainland China. We got your country hooked.

hahaha, i must admit that was excellent! Was your code name: Tobin Frost

 

[Korean]

As a matter of fact, censorship exists in every country including mine. We just give it a different name, e.g. protection of minors or protection of intellectual rights.

That's not censorship.

Censorship in the EU goes much deeper, e.g. almost 90% of our media companies in Germany are controlled by a handful of families/ interest groups who are also part of the ruling elite.

Do those elites control social media and web board discussions? Absolutely not.

What we are talking about is the Freedom of Speech; the individual's right to express to his/her ideas through medium of his choosing, be it twitter/FB/blogs/webboard, and this right is fully protected in Germany with the exception of Nazi and Holocaust stuffs.

In China, there is no Freedom of Speech at all; you can be thrown in prison for writing a poem in China. So you should be thankful of the freedom of speech protected in your host country of Germany, when you don't get any of that in your native country of China.

BBC News - China dissident Zhu Yufu gets seven years jail for poem

China dissident Zhu Yufu gets seven years jail for poem

A court in eastern China has sentenced dissident writer Zhu Yufu to seven years in jail for a poem found to have incited subversion, rights groups say.

The court in Hangzhou ruled that Mr Zhu's poem It's Time, urging people to gather in support of freedom, deserved stern punishment, his son said.

The poem was published online. Mr Zhu was formally arrested last April.

Three other dissidents have also received prison terms on subversion charges in the last few months.

Mr Zhu's hearing was attended by his former wife and his son.

"The court verdict said this was a serious crime that deserved stern punishment," his son, Zhu Ang, was quoted by news agency Reuters as saying.

"Basically, the only chance that my father had to say anything was when he was being taken out after the hearing, and he stopped and said, 'I want to appeal'."

 

[anon45]

I am not sure how to reply to you in a civil way. Your sarcasm somehow just exposed your idiocy.

He's replying in a sarcastic manner because your assertion that Facebook and Twitter are, and I quote, "Controlled by the CIA" is ludicrous, unproven, and I bet if you produced those wikileaks docs you've apparently seen we would see you have utterly misrepresented what was in them.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

 

[KRAIT]

You know nothing about the CIA. I lunched with a CIA agent once a long time ago and he inducted me into the Agency. I have a dark grey trench coat, a black fedora, and a shiny chrome badge that says: 'CIA Secret Agent Man'. All CIA SAMs know the secret handshake and have a secret decoder ring. Facebook is a CIA front and all members are CIA SAMs, including those in mainland China. We got your country hooked.

Secret decoder ring. Priceless comment.

 

[gambit]

hahaha, i must admit that was excellent! Was your code name: Tobin Frost

Nope.

Bond. Jason Bond.

That's not censorship.

He is trying to defend China, so he has to stretch the context of censorship to absurd levels and lengths. He wants to include PRIVATE censorship, which has nothing to do with governmental controls of accessibility, under the political context of censorship. If a father install firewalls in his home to deny pornography to his children, that is political censorship.

Get it?

 

[shuttler]

Yet you dutifully defend your motherland China against all critics.

you think your country is not doing these:

Indian cyber silence: Journalists muted after race riots — RT


Youtube and Facebook 'blocked' in Kashmir - Central & South Asia - Al Jazeera English


Curfew imposed in Sirsa after Dera-Sikh clashes; SGPC member Baba Tirlokewala injured; Bathinda-Mansa on alter

Google's YouTube Blocks Access to Anti-Islam Film in India

 

[Sedqal]

Youtube and Facebook 'blocked' in Kashmir - Central & South Asia - Al Jazeera English

Shining India, eh!

 

[RescueRanger]

Its not as bad as people make out:
BBC News Tencent and social media in China mp4 - YouTube

 

[zaxcolix]

Shining India, eh!

Well it was blocked for the same reason it was blocked in Paksitan

...because of a film named 'Innocence of Muslims ' ...Muslim are so tolerant ...religion of peace

 

[Götterdämmerung]

That's not censorship.

A Korean defining what is censorship when your motherland is not even in the top 20 of free press. Quite laughable, ey?

What is important is what we think, since we are the one who are affected here in Germany. Whatever happens in China is not my problem, since I'm only a visitor staying there for a few weeks. I don't have the right to tell my host how he/she should live. Maybe in your part of the world it is deemed as polite to do that.

Do those elites control social media and web board discussions? Absolutely not.

Undesirable contents are regularly erased even in FB and other platforms.

Political and religious censorship by Facebook

What we are talking about is the Freedom of Speech; the individual's right to express to his/her ideas through medium of his choosing, be it twitter/FB/blogs/webboard, and this right is fully protected in Germany with the exception of Nazi and Holocaust stuffs.

In China, there is no Freedom of Speech at all; you can be thrown in prison for writing a poem in China. So you should be thankful of the freedom of speech protected in your host country of Germany, when you don't get any of that in your native country of China.

BBC News - China dissident Zhu Yufu gets seven years jail for poem

Freedom of speech is relative. Here we are not allowed to say anything positive about the Nazi regime or distribute the ideology of the NSDAP, which I agree with, but it is nevertheless a restriction of free speech.

Its not as bad as people make out:
BBC News Tencent and social media in China mp4 - YouTube

This is actually the most important reason. It's about the economy = money! China just doesn't want FB and other social media take the whole cake but instead wants to prop up Chinese companies. It's a different form of protectionism.

 

[dreamer53320]

Its not as bad as people make out:
BBC News Tencent and social media in China mp4 - YouTube

I think BBC is trying to twist the idea of freedom/expression.........yes, you don't question the party itself, but you can question the party's regulation, laws, and policies etc, which can help "improve" the country's people's lives and the party's rule. Whereas if you only question the party itself, there's only one purpose, and that won't do China any good if anyone knows any of our past history during the warring states/disintegration period.

 

[Korean]

A Korean defining what is censorship when your motherland is not even in the top 20 of free press. Quite laughable, ey?

Actually that report is laughable.

South Korea | Freedom House

Status change explanation: South Korea declined from Free to Partly Free to reflect an increase in official censorship, particularly of online content, as well as the government’s attempt to influence media outlets’ news and information content. Over the past several years, an increasing number of online comments have been removed for expressing either pro–North Korean or anti–South Korean views. The current conservative government has also interfered in the management of major broadcast media, with allies of President Lee Myung-bak receiving senior posts at large media companies over the objections of journalists.

Freedom of the press is guaranteed under South Korean law and is generally respected in practice. However, despite having had one of the freest media environments in Asia, since the inauguration of President Lee Myung-bak in 2008 South Korea has experienced a noticeable decline in freedom of expression for both journalists and the general public. Though the government censors films for sex and violence, censorship of the media is against the law. However, Article 7 of the 1948 National Security Law allows imprisonment for praising or expressing sympathy for North Korea. As political tensions with neighboring North Korea have intensified—leading in several cases to armed engagement and skirmishes—officials appear to have become more concerned about the expression of pro–North Korean sentiments, particularly online. In 2010, more than 20 people were booked for making pro–North Korean comments, while over 40,000 pro–North Korean online posts were deleted by operators after pressure from police, more than 100 times the number of deletions five years ago. The government has also blocked access to 13 social networking accounts owned by the North Korean government. Interacting with North Korea’s new Twitter account can lead to up to three years in jail.

Having the "freest media environment" yet not free? WTF is the freedom house talking about?
The practical freedom of speech is actually stronger in Korea than in the US.

The cases the freedom house claims as suppression of fall into two cases.

1. Praise of North Korea and swearing allegiance to Kim Jong Eun. <= This appears to be Freedom House's biggest bone with Korea's freedom of press issue. This is no more worse than Germany's Nazi ban.

2. Prosecution of reporters who make court-proven false claims report. <= The same thing in the US, reporters with fabricated claims would be fired and face civil damage lawsuits. The only difference between Korea and the US is the criminal intent prosecution.

Korea has one of the freest speech environment in the world, so free that Japanese rightwingers flood Korea and leave hate speech and that's tolerated. The notion of speech suppression in the world wired country on earth is simply laughable.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Actually that report is laughable.

South Korea | Freedom House



Having the "freest media environment" yet not free? WTF is the freedom house talking about?
The practical freedom of speech is actually stronger in Korea than in the US.

The cases the freedom house claims as suppression of fall into two cases.

1. Praise of North Korea and swearing allegiance to Kim Jong Eun. <= This appears to be Freedom House's biggest bone with Korea's freedom of press issue. This is no more worse than Germany's Nazi ban.

2. Prosecution of reporters who make court-proven false claims report. <= The same thing in the US, reporters with fabricated claims would be fired and face civil damage lawsuits. The only difference between Korea and the US is the criminal intent prosecution.

Korea has one of the freest speech environment in the world, so free that Japanese rightwingers flood Korea and leave hate speech and that's tolerated. The notion of speech suppression in the world wired country on earth is simply laughable.

Why should I believe your words? Fredom House is a wellknown organisation, while you are a nobody.

Also, there is no such thing as a little censhorship. Eithere there is censorship or no censorship, the same as either you are a virgin or you are not a virgin. There is no such thing like being a little bit virgin.

 

[fallstuff]

There is a CIA connection to facebook, albeit an indirect one. This is public info people.