Web of Failure: How China Internet Policies Have Doomed Chinese Soft Power

[Audio]

Mr. @shuttler in the deflection business as usual.
You guys are doing that a lot these past couple of days. CCP didnt provide new scripts?

 

[Type 055]

Good. About time VPNs were crushed. Foreign regimes use VPNs to spread anti-Chinese propaganda and use it to cause social instability. I'm surprised the CPC haven't been more hardline on this. Foreign media have used VPNs to spread rumours and cause friction between the party and the people. I want to see a tough and ruthless CPC against foreigners. Too many liberals in the CPC have been kissing up to western regimes to gain their approval. We don't need anyone's approval. We do what we want, when we want to. Why? Because we can, that's why. Anyone dont like it, tough, learn to live with it. I want more hardliners in the CPC, we need to push our weight around the world. All this peaceful rise nonsense is for weaklings.

 

[shuttler]

Good. About time VPNs were crushed. Foreign regimes use VPNs to spread anti-Chinese propaganda and use it to cause social instability. I'm surprised the CPC haven't been more hardline on this. Foreign media have used VPNs to spread rumours and cause friction between the party and the people. I want to see a tough and ruthless CPC against foreigners. Too many liberals in the CPC have been kissing up to western regimes to gain their approval. We don't need anyone's approval. We do what we want, when we want to. Why? Because we can, that's why. Anyone dont like it, tough, learn to live with it. I want more hardliners in the CPC, we need to push our weight around the world. All this peaceful rise nonsense is for weaklings.

exactly! it is going out of hands with the indians who are so jealousy, envious of our achievements in such a way they are forming a weird habit of bashing us so as to relieve their own series of failures and immense woes!

 

[Korean]

Good. About time VPNs were crushed.

And you are telling foreign businesses to leave China. They need VPN for business needs.

What about Chinese businesses operating overseas, must they do without VPN too so that foreign intelligence services spy on Chinese business communications freely?

 

[gambit]

Good. About time VPNs were crushed. Foreign regimes use VPNs to spread anti-Chinese propaganda and use it to cause social instability. I'm surprised the CPC haven't been more hardline on this. Foreign media have used VPNs to spread rumours and cause friction between the party and the people. I want to see a tough and ruthless CPC against foreigners. Too many liberals in the CPC have been kissing up to western regimes to gain their approval. We don't need anyone's approval. We do what we want, when we want to. Why? Because we can, that's why. Anyone dont like it, tough, learn to live with it. I want more hardliners in the CPC, we need to push our weight around the world. All this peaceful rise nonsense is for weaklings.

In other words, North Korea is actually running China.

 

[conworldus]

I am not in support of China's censorship. It does make things frustrating at times. However, strategically it makes sense to censor sites such as Facebook and Twitter, both of which are controlled by the CIA. China does not censor sites from countries outside the United States.

 

[gambit]

I am not in support of China's censorship. It does make things frustrating at times. However, strategically it makes sense to censor sites such as Facebook and Twitter, both of which are controlled by the CIA. China does not censor sites from countries outside the United States.

Yup. And all 500 MILLIONS Facebook members are CIA agents.

 

[conworldus]

Yup. And all 500 MILLIONS Facebook members are CIA agents.

Nope. But people willingly giving information up end up playing into the hands of the US government. The CIA has invested heavily in facebook.

Google wikileaks and facebook you will find a ton of links.

 

[gambit]

Nope. But people willingly giving information up end up playing into the hands of the US government. The CIA has invested heavily in facebook

You know nothing about the CIA. I lunched with a CIA agent once a long time ago and he inducted me into the Agency. I have a dark grey trench coat, a black fedora, and a shiny chrome badge that says: 'CIA Secret Agent Man'. All CIA SAMs know the secret handshake and have a secret decoder ring. Facebook is a CIA front and all members are CIA SAMs, including those in mainland China. We got your country hooked.

 

[conworldus]

You know nothing about the CIA. I lunched with a CIA agent once a long time ago and he inducted me into the Agency. I have a dark grey trench coat, a black fedora, and a shiny chrome badge that says: 'CIA Secret Agent Man'. All CIA SAMs know the secret handshake and have a secret decoder ring. Facebook is a CIA front and all members are CIA SAMs, including those in mainland China. We got your country hooked.

I am not sure how to reply to you in a civil way. Your sarcasm somehow just exposed your idiocy.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

I am not in support of China's censorship. It does make things frustrating at times. However, strategically it makes sense to censor sites such as Facebook and Twitter, both of which are controlled by the CIA. China does not censor sites from countries outside the United States.

The censhoship can be a pain in the arse when you are in China. I, e.g. was in Shanghai a few weeks ago and couldn't lock into my FB account just to say hello to my friends back home. I think it was the only website I didn't get access into. But since I was just for a few weeks there it didn't bother me much. I only use FB to say hello to friends and post some harmless picutres of my travels, nothing personal that could give too much information to unknown people. Otherwise I had no problems to get access to all German news sites or PDF.

 

[terranMarine]

The censhoship can be a pain in the arse when you are in China. I, e.g. was in Shanghai a few weeks ago and couldn't lock into my FB account just to say hello to my friends back home. I think it was the only website I didn't get access into. But since I was just for a few weeks there it didn't bother me much. I only use FB to say hello to friends and post some harmless picutres of my travels, nothing personal that could give too much information to unknown people. Otherwise I had no problems to get access to all German news sites or PDF.

When you gonna show us some photos?

 

[Götterdämmerung]

When you gonna show us some photos?

Too much work till January.

 

[gpit]

In remembering that S Koreans are number one foreigner who visiting and living in China, we know really they love the upgrading of the fire wall to filter off loser S Koreans.


The Chinese in China are 100% more aware of outside of world, if not 200% more, than those outside of China aware of China. This has been proven by both learnt Westerns and Easterners. Internet has been the biggest contributor: China is the country with the largest percent of internet users, thanks due to its literacy and openness.

While China is so open, so would toxic stuffs (information and human beings such as the "korean") attempt to ooze into. Thus, a fire wall is needed as in any rational corporates - none of them has no fire walls to safe guard their assets.

Only fool would take laissez-faire attitude. even US president can push a button and shutdown the thing if emergency happens...

In short, a fire wall is like a mosquito net to prevent virus carrying mosquitoes (ie. "korean" type China haters) from transmitting bad things, so the mosquitoes can only whining outside of the net, without sucking even a single blood cell from, therefore transmitting single virus to, those inside.



Edit to add:

"A Death Blow to Business"

Last I checked China was, is and will still be the fastest in business development. Thanks to the firewall, China develops so fast, unlike some Arabic countries or current Egypt suffering from violence and instability -- that is real and true death blow to business, any business.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

In remembering that S Koreans are number one foreigner who visiting and living in China, we know really they love the upgrading of the fire wall to filter off loser S Koreans.


The Chinese in China are 100% more aware of outside of world, if not 200% more, than those outside of China aware of China. This has been proven by both learnt Westerns and Easterners. Internet has been the biggest contributor: China is the country with the largest percent of internet users, thanks due to its literacy and openness.

While China is so open, so would toxic stuffs (information and human beings such as the "korean") attempt to ooze into. Thus, a fire wall is needed as in any rational corporates - none of them has no fire walls to safe guard their assets.

Only fool would take laissez-faire attitude. even US president can push a button and shutdown the thing if emergency happens...

As a matter of fact, censorship exists in every country including mine. We just give it a different name, e.g. protection of minors or protection of intellectual rights. The only problem is, the same item that is not allowed to be shown here in Germany can be seen in pretty much all our neighbouring countries without problems.

Censorship in the EU goes much deeper, e.g. almost 90% of our media companies in Germany are controlled by a handful of families/ interest groups who are also part of the ruling elite. Internal differences that are too obvious can be debated controversely, but the further away the country/culture/ideology the more we can make up stories, distort the truth or just simply ignore all of it. The remaining news outlets are too local and insignificant to be bothered, even they have to play by the rule or else they would not get one Euro ad revenue at all.

My city, e.g. is the print media centre of the nation. Ever since our city hospitals have been privatised to one large company, there has not been one critical article in our local newspapers.

I have a colleague who has been working at Der Spiegel for almost 20 years now. He knows that all his articles are for the dustbin and never going to be published because his view is too different than the "mainstream", though he is absolutely frustrated but he is also too afraid to resign, as Der Spiegel pays very well. Der Spiegel does not terminate the contract because they know he is a very good journalist and needs to be checked so he won't do more harm outside the "family".