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So long as it is not full face covered, I think it should be fine.

You want to limit some thing- why not limit all putting them on the same scale- There should be limit for hijab- but any one can burn holy books- because that comes under Freedom of Exression- Thats Hypocrisy-

However, the way the whole thing has escalated and opinions hardened, I would not be surprised if the white British not say = And mini skirts and bikinis allowed in Saudi Arabia!


Wallahi- I will not be surprised a bit- if later i hear from you- are non-muslims allowed in Saudia?- :woot:

Come to Saudi City in Al Khalidiah District in Jeddah-
Or Go to King Abdullah University Science and Technology in Thuwal City- See for your self- If you cant believe what i am implying- do a little google and see for your self what Fatwas have been passed for these places- Try also to find Why-
 
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If you can put limitations on burqa and hijab- why not ban burning of holy books- so to stop this non sense once and for all- But there Freedom of Expression/Opinion takes over-

Double standards-

As double standard as Saudi Arabia not allowing anyone to flout Saudi and Islamic rules in Saudi Arabia.
 
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they r not coming to pakistan and making a law to not to wear hijab..
here muslims are trying to impose ur sharia law on their soil....
got the difference...

french people,french land,their rule..everyone should follow

Apply the same rule on your self- so you should not be even bothering for the news in Briton-
Its United Kingdom not Russia- Get That?-

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they r not coming to pakistan and making a law to not to wear hijab..
here muslims are trying to impose ur sharia law on their soil....
got the difference...

french people,french land,their rule..everyone should follow

Apply the same rule on your self- so you should not be even bothering for the news in Briton-
Its United Kingdom not Russia- Get That?-
 
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If you can put limitations on burqa and hijab- why not ban burning of holy books- so to stop this non sense once and for all- But there Freedom of Expression/Opinion takes over-

Double standards-

Practice whatever you want, however when it interferes with national security of course its gonna raise some eyebrows.

Like I said their country their rules. Don't like..? Move to some place that tolerates it. Simple
 
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Apply the same rule on your self- so you should not be even bothering for the news in Briton-
Its United Kingdom not Russia- Get That?-

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Apply the same rule on your self- so you should not be even bothering for the news in Briton-
Its United Kingdom not Russia- Get That?-

u apply the same rule
u r from pakistan,u dont talk about france.....
let france bring any law,why u talk about that???
u can talk about france law,i can't talk about the things happening in britain???
hypocrisy
 
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As double standard as Saudi Arabia not allowing anyone to flout Saudi and Islamic rules in Saudi Arabia.

Its a Kingdom- Why are you expecting them to follow rules of democracy there?-

Dont tell me there isn't any rule in place in Briton to prevent any one from taking over the Kingdom :lol:-
 
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u apply the same rule
u r from pakistan,u dont talk about france.....

You talked about it first- So disappear first- and i'll gladly follow you- :D-
We used to argue like that in kinda garden- Go on-
 
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I understand the frustration some of the Pakistanis have against the Saudis, not justifiable completely but ok. Will give them the benefit of the the doubt. But what about the Indians, you guys love the Sheiks and their money, and then this. Hypocrites shall I say.

Yea, I find it disturbing that Indians go to Arab lands for money. But then it maybe economic necessities rather than personal beliefs.
 
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You talked about it first- So disappear first- and i'll gladly follow you- :D-
We used to argue like that in kinda garden- Go on-

You mean kindergarten? :lol:


Anyways you can't apply rules from pakistan to oh say.. the UK or France. They have the right to do whatever they want. And the citizens have the right to criticize or take the issue up with the govt.
 
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You talked about it first- So disappear first- and i'll gladly follow you- :D-
We used to argue like that in kinda garden- Go on-

u can talk about France law,i can't talk about the things happening in britain???
hypocrisy :lol:

On topic...
Muslims in london,in their own soil,force non-muslims to follow ur sharia law, and when they hit u back,u start crying --islamophobia
 
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Practice whatever you want, however when it interferes with national security of course its gonna raise some eyebrows.

Like I said their country their rules. Don't like..? Move to some place that tolerates it. Simple

Well- you can put any thing under national security and get away with it- How come wearing Hijab is a matter of national security you tell me- because its above me-

Moving from country to country gona solve the problem?- Is that what you think?-

Can you imagine not so long ago- our ancestors leaving the subcontinent because our struggle was national security threat to British Empire-
 
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As expected barring one or two who accept the reality the rest are just denying giving a plethora of excuses ranging from the news is not credible, I am not able to see the pictures, this is freedom of speech (really ??) , this is a reaction to Western extremists, Islamophobia, Get our Bhartis, yada yada yada.

They just cant accept that there are indeed nut jobs in London and they need to be spanked severely.
 
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You know what the funny thing is? I met this ex-Christian lady from Indiana, who told me of the rising Christian extremism in that state. She told me that she came from a time when bar code readers/scanners were new, & the Sunday school she was in had preachers that used to say that "when Jesus comes back, they're going to have bar codes on the back of their heads, & they'll be scanned by these bar code readers to see who goes to heaven, & who goes to hell."

Have you ever considered that this is NWO propaganda to make Christianity look bad? I'm not sure how many Americans there are but these churches are in North Dakota. That's not mainstream America. North Dakota is considered extremist red neck country in the eyes of most Americans and that's exactly what the NWO does to make Arabs and Islam look bad. What's your say?
 
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You want to limit some thing- why not limit all putting them on the same scale- There should be limit for hijab- but any one can burn holy books- because that comes under Freedom of Exression- Thats Hypocrisy-




Wallahi- I will not be surprised a bit- if later i hear from are non-muslims allowed in Saudia :woot:

Come to Saudi City in Al Khalidiah District in Jeddah-
Or Go to King Abdullah University Science and Technology in Thuwal City- See for your self- If you cant believe what i am implying- do a little google and see for your self what Fatwas have been passed for these places- Try also to find Why-

A full face cover does not allow identification and identification is very important in the world because of rampant terrorism. A headscarf allows identification. That is why. That explains the first part.

Indeed, one must not believe a non Muslim, but this non Moslem's relations who are Muslims had to wait 10 years in Saudi Arabia to get citizenship and they are very very pious Muslims!

Do let me know, can a person (lady) wear a bikini or a mini skirt - the reverse of covering everything like a full face burkha in Saudi Arabia?

Further,

While the validity is noted in months, these are not Western months but lunar months, and you need to use the Islamic calendar to figure out the length: a three-month visa issued on "29/02/22" (22 Safar 1429, 1 March 2008) is valid until 29/05/22 (22 Jumada al-Awwal 1429, 28 May 2008), not until 1 June 2008! Depending on visa type, the validity can start from the date of issue or the date of first entry, and multiple-entry visas may also have restrictions regarding how many days at a time are allowed (usually 28 days per visit) and/or how many days total are allowed during the validity period. This all results in fantastic confusion, and it's not uncommon to get different answers from an embassy, from your employer and from Immigration!

Saudi Arabia has very strict rules for what may be imported: alcoholic beverages, pork, non-Islamic religious materials and pornography (very widely defined) are all prohibited. Computers, VCR tapes and DVDs have all been seized from time to time for inspection by the authorities. If you are unsure if the movie you watch or the video game you play is deemed un-Islamic, it probably be best not to bring them with you to the kingdom. In general, though, inspections aren't quite as thorough as they used to be and while bags are still x-rayed, minute searches are the exception rather than the rule.

aw and morality

The really important rules to beware of are enshrined in written Saudi law, with criminals subject to the full strength of the infamous Saudi penal system. In addition to obvious crimes like murder (punishable by beheading) and theft (amputation of the hand for repeat offenders), acts considered severe crimes include adultery, homosexuality and possession of alcohol or drugs.

In practice, though, most visitors will be primarily concerned with the code of morality, involving things like women not covering up properly, not observing prayer or (during Ramadan) fasting times, etc. These rules are enforced by the infamous muttawa (pl. mutawain), the zealous volunteers of the religious police formally known as the Committee for the Propagation of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice. Confusingly, the exact rules and their enforcement vary greatly both with time and from region to region, with the Nejd region around Riyadh being the most strict, the Eastern Province being the least strict, and the Hejaz around Jeddah being somewhere in the middle. However, 99% of the time, encounters with the muttawa (especially for non-Muslims) simply result in verbal warnings. The muttawa do have the power to detain those suspected of un-Islamic conduct, but — in theory — must hand them over to the police before interrogation, and neither can they apply judicial punishments like whipping without a trial. Reports of abuse and even deaths in muttawa custody are still depressingly common.

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No women at the hotel gym
No women at the hotel gym

Many (perhaps most) areas of life in Saudi Arabia are segregated by sex to ensure that unrelated men and women have no possibility of "mingling" (khulwa, a punishable crime). Under the rules of segregation, all people are divided into three groups:

Families. The basic unit of Saudi life, families consist of women accompanied by their mahrams (legal male guardians) — father, brother, husband, uncle, nephew — and children.

Single men (bachelors). Men not accompanied by their families. Banned from most shopping malls and even some supermarkets from 4 pm onwards, this is by far the most restricted group Despite common use of the word "bachelor", it is irrelevant whether the man is married or not; a husband will dine in the bachelor section at lunch when alone and in the family section at dinner when with his wife. It is against the law to be accompanied anywhere by a woman who is not your wife or a family member. Religious police pay particular attention to interracial couples.

Single women. Women not accompanied by their families. Most of the facilities for families will admit single women, but they are rarely allowed in the men's section and are subject to uncomfortable stares when they are. It is against the law to be accompanied anywhere by a man who is not your husband or a family member (except a hired driver or a taxi driver). The punishment will be worse for the man than for the woman. While the man is forced to sign a written oath not to repeat the offense and may be subject to lashing or prison, women are generally "returned" to their families, with a male family member signing on her behalf. The cultural value placed on "modesty" and "honor" makes the religious police reluctant to openly "out" an offending female and will try to sweep the problem under the carpet, unless in more "egregious" cases.

Typical examples of segregation include:
Establishment Segregation
Banks Separate branches for men and women, but when a women's section is not available at a branch, women are allowed in the male branch.
Coffeeshops Mostly men only, although a few have family sections.
Hotels Single women no longer require written permission to be allowed to check in, provided they have their own ID cards. Gyms, pools and spa are generally restricted to men only, but some female facilities are available.
Museums Separate opening hours for families and men ("families" typically include single women).
Restaurants Separate sections for families and men. The vast majority will allow single women into the family section.
Shopping malls Allow all visitors, but often with evenings and weekends reserved for families and single women only.
Shops Usually allow all visitors.

Women

Women, be they local or foreign, are all required to wear an abaya, a long and loose black robe. While a headscarf is optional for non-Saudi females (particularly in Jeddah and Dammam), one should at least be brought along in order to avoid possible harassment from the religious police or to be used as a means of deflecting attention from potentially aggravating men.

Saudi law prohibits women from mingling with unrelated men. Some family restaurants will go further and will not (knowingly) allow a married couple to dine together with a single man. Women may not drive cars, although as of 2008 there are — not for the first time — rumblings that this may soon change. In theory, women may not even be driven by unrelated people (e.g. taxi drivers), although this is widely ignored and rarely enforced.

A woman may travel alone. They may also stay alone in hotels, although hotels may require written permission on check-in unless the woman holds an official form of ID.

While all this legally applies to foreign women as well, in practice foreign women are not restrained by their families in the way that Saudi women are, and can have considerable leeway if they choose to take it. For example, a foreign woman and her boyfriend (or even male coworker) can simply claim to be husband and wife, and thus mingle freely — although, if caught doing so, they could sometimes be subject to a short stay in jail.

A single woman accosted by the police or the muttawa and requested to come with them does not have to (and, for their own safety, should not) go with them alone: you have the right to call your mahram and have them arrive, and you should use it. However, you may be required to surrender your ID, and you may not leave until the police/muttawa allow you to.
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Photography is probably the easiest way for a visitor to inadvertently get into trouble. Do not take pictures of any government-related building (ministries, airports, military facilities etc) or any building that could possibly be one, or you risk being hauled off to jail for espionage. As Saudis place a high value on privacy, do not photograph any Saudi men without permission and do not even point your camera in the general direction of women, period. Even government publications avoid pictures of people and often resort to mosaicing out faces if they have to use one!

Playing music in public is also prohibited (though this does not include playing music at a picnic in the desert for example). However, personal music players and listening to music in private is fine, and there are plenty of music shops in the country's shopping malls if you don't mind permanent marker over Britney's hemline on the cover. It is not uncommon to hear young Saudis blasting the latest hip-hop music in their vehicles, at least when the muttawa are not around.

Religious items for religions other than Islam, including Bibles, crucifixes and any religious literature, are technically forbidden, although these days items for personal use are generally ignored. However, anything that hints of proselytism is treated very harshly, and the muttawa often bust illicit church assemblies and the like. Public observance of religions other than Islam is technically a crime in Saudi Arabia.

The flag of Saudi Arabia bears the Islamic declaration of faith, and desecration or any other inappropriate use of the flag is considered insulting. Public criticism of the King, the royal family or Saudi Arabia's government in general is not tolerated.
Saudi Arabia travel guide - Wikitravel

If this is applicable to foreigners in Saudi Arabia, then what is wrong if the West imposes their own form of morality?

Want to know more about becoming a citizen of Saudi Arabia?

Saudi Arabia’s government is keen to protect the status quo and doesn’t want to compromise its cultural values or standard of living by allowing foreigners to become a permanent part of society. Your only route to becoming a naturalised citizen is by marriage to a national; even this, however, doesn’t guarantee citizenship, particularly for non-Muslims.....

Children of foreigners born in Saudi Arabia don’t have rights of local citizenship and automatically assume the nationality of the parents. If one of the parents is a national of Saudi Arabia, the child will usually be granted local nationality and may later become a national of Saudi Arabia and obtain a local passport.
Saudi Arabia Guide: Citizenship, Is it possible to become a national of Saudi Arabia?: As a foreigner, you
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You mean kindergarten? :lol:

No i meant Kinda garden- its a place here-

Anyways you can't apply rules from pakistan to oh say.. the UK or France. They have the right to do whatever they want. And the citizens have the right to criticize or take the issue up with the govt.

Well- Thats should Shut all of us up then- You stop bothering what happens in Pakistan and vice versa- Lets Kill the Forum- :argh:
 
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