"We will treat only Hindus, not Muslims"

[padamchen]

I grew up with many Christians in my neighborhood, when I spend time in Lahore with relatives. Most of our neighbors were Christian, we used to eat together and wish each other greetings on holidays. Anytime there was any trouble, usually some youth in Christian community involved in drugs and such, we would help them out and pay their bail too.

Even now most of the money I send to Pakistan goes to the Christian families I know, many are underprivileged from when they came from India during partition. I guess to Hindus they would be Dalits.

For us, we don't care about their religion, they are our Pakistani brothers and sisters. We will support them no matter what.

One of my Christian Pakistani friends in Med school was asked by a Hindu Indian what he thinks of Muslims, expecting a certain answer.

The Christian Pakistani said this, "We are no different than Muslims, they never made us feel different. Even though my religion is Christianity, I am Muslim by culture due to being Pakistani."

I've noticed the same thing about your Parsis.

The way they dress and speak and wear their hair.

Even how they trim their beards.

 

[Ace of Spades]

We should not have any doubts as Quaid e Azam has already made it clear to us. He fought the hardest against the liberal Hindu and pseudo-religious politics of Nehru and Gandhi.

They had the greatest influence on the British and the anti-MuslimLeague Muslims leaders, we lost land and people to those two criminals, wolves in sheep clothing.

All while Hindu fascists like Patel and others wanted Muslims to leave India, and were willing to sacrifice land to do it, even Kashmir.

Both are our enemies, but they have fundamentally different mindsets.

Now it's too late for this type, they can all squeak as much as they like, genie is out of the bottle. Too late, damage can't be undone, gonna go exponential from here onward.

So for us my friend, let's watch the meltdown as it's unfolding.

 

[vegav]

How can you, you never heard any good Muslims have done.

It is consistent with how Muslims protected Christians and Jews in Europe, Turkey, Arab world, and North Africa.

Muslim role in helping Jews escape the Holocaust is well known.

Even in Rwanda, Muslims protected Tutsis from the Hutus. Many converted to Islam because of it.



We should not have any doubts as Quaid e Azam has already made it clear to us. He fought the hardest against the liberal Hindu and pseudo-religious politics of Nehru and Gandhi.

They had the greatest influence on the British and the anti-MuslimLeague Muslims leaders, we lost land and people to those two criminals, wolves in sheep clothing.

All while Hindu fascists like Vallabhai Patel and others wanted Muslims to leave India, and were willing to sacrifice land to do it, even Kashmir.

Both are our enemies, but they have fundamentally different mindsets.

Also the Grand Mufti of Palestine was aligned with the Axis powers and the Zionist movement was already established even before the 2nd world war. Jews escaping holocaust weren't allowed to land in Haiffa and the Zionists had to go the extra mile to make them land.

How can you, you never heard any good Muslims have done.

It is consistent with how Muslims protected Christians and Jews in Europe, Turkey, Arab world, and North Africa.

Muslim role in helping Jews escape the Holocaust is well known.

Even in Rwanda, Muslims protected Tutsis from the Hutus. Many converted to Islam because of it.



We should not have any doubts as Quaid e Azam has already made it clear to us. He fought the hardest against the liberal Hindu and pseudo-religious politics of Nehru and Gandhi.

They had the greatest influence on the British and the anti-MuslimLeague Muslims leaders, we lost land and people to those two criminals, wolves in sheep clothing.

All while Hindu fascists like Vallabhai Patel and others wanted Muslims to leave India, and were willing to sacrifice land to do it, even Kashmir.

Both are our enemies, but they have fundamentally different mindsets.

Patel was willing to sacrifice kashmir for Hyderabad and that would have saved many lives of muslims also. But Liqauat Ali Khan said no.

 

[padamchen]

I dare say, many Indians who have lived only in India their whole lives would be absolutely and truly gobsmacked if they spoke candidly to non-muslim Pakistanis. It would cause their brains to melt into goo.

Not me.

The strongest reason I'm against CAA is that I don't want Pakistani and Bangladeshi refugees on my soil.

But Parsis keep a low profile on this for obvious reasons.

But if there were to have been a vote, I'm pretty sure 100% of us woukd have voted against it.

@vegav @Gadkari @Andhadhun @Nilu Pule

 

[Joe Shearer]

As a fellow Kashmiri, he has my blessing.

The Kingdom of Heaven must then be his.

My point remains.

Why would I perceive your question as insulting? Is civil service frowned upon in India?

No, not at all. Their very studied style sometimes attracts attention, and sometimes that evokes their ire.

 

[vegav]

Not me.

The strongest reason I'm against CAA is that I don't want Pakistani and Bangladeshi refugees on my soil.

But Parsis keep a low profile on this for obvious reasons.

But if there were to have been a vote, I'm pretty sure 100% of us woukd have voted against it.

@vegav @Gadkari @Andhadhun @Nilu Pule

I met Pakistani Hindus from Sindh in Dubai and my sindhi friends in Mumbai, 2 of their wives are from Sindh moving in the 90s. They said there is a serious security threat for hindus especially women in Sindh. These are educated, well off people and one can imagine the plight of poor rural hindus.
I support CAA whole heartedly, paritition is meant to be complete. Hindus are welcome in India from Pakistan and Bangladesh. These hostage population theories are silly.

 

[padamchen]

Cheers doc! you claim to be a doctor but i have never seen you using your mind though...

I suspect you were overlooked for a reason.

Though I cannot put my finger on it. You're such a likeable guy and a quality poster with a sea of maturity.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

No, not at all. Their very studied style sometimes attracts attention, and sometimes that evokes their ire.

Well I've never been a civil servant. Feel free to continue with your ruminations of style and such however please note that I won't answer any other personal questions. No offence.

 

[Ace of Spades]

I met Pakistani Hindus from Sindh in Dubai and my sindhi friends in Mumbai, 2 of their wives are from Sindh moving in the 90s. They said there is a serious security threat for hindus especially women in Sindh. These are educated, well off people and one can imagine the plight of poor rural hindus.
I support CAA whole heartedly, paritition is meant to be complete. Hindus are welcome in India from Pakistan and Bangladesh. These hostage population theories are silly.

I have met a Kashmiri from IOK and he was rather angry at Pakistanis that we aren't doing enough.. muslims from India i know who resonate with what's going on in India these days.

I suspect you were overlooked for a reason.

Though I cannot put my finger on it. You're such a likeable guy and a quality poster with a sea of maturity.

touched a raw nerve?

 

[vegav]

I have met a Kashmiri from IOK and he was rather angry at Pakistanis that we aren't doing enough.. muslims from India i know who resonate with what's going on in India these days.



touched a raw nerve?

My story is true and yours could be as well.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I am not talking about muslims harming Christians. I am talking about Valmikis following muslims from east punjab into west Punjab. Why would they do so? Dalits did follow Jogendra nath mandal into Bangladesh but haven't heard of them moving to west Punjab.

You are judging them by caste. I was guessing they are Dalits, but I don't know because Christians are a bit different looking than Muslims in Punjab. They tend to be darker and have smaller noses.

I think the difficulty you are having is accepting that when they become Christians, they become a community separate from any caste as you may know it. Same for Muslims in Punjab, our family names become tribal identities like Pukhtoons and Baloch, instead of social class.

We freely intermarry with each other in Pakistan, regardless.

I've noticed the same thing about your Parsis.

The way they dress and speak and wear their hair.

Even how they trim their beards.

Honestly, you cannot tell Parsis apart from Muslims, even by name as many Pakistani Muslims have Persian origin names and blood too.

I don't know details about Parsis as I am from Punjab, which has mostly Christian minorities and Sikhs.

You will have to ask people from Karachi.

Also the Grand Mufti of Palestine was aligned with the Axis powers and the Zionist movement was already established even before the 2nd world war. Jews escaping holocaust weren't allowed to land in Haiffa and the Zionists had to go the extra mile to make them land.



Patel was willing to sacrifice kashmir for Hyderabad and that would have saved many lives of muslims also. But Liqauat Ali Khan said no.

Your information about Palestine is eschewed toward Israeli propaganda. The Grand Mufti was a single actor, who approached all European leaders, not just Hitler. He did not have much power himself, but he was trying to stop unbridled Jewish settlement in the Holy Land. He saw the disaster that was happening to his people. His prediction came true.

British and Nehru/Gandhi really blotched the partition for Pakistan. We got the raw end of the deal. We lost 1/2 Kashmir and Jammu demography was altered forever. We lost 1 million people in Punjab and 14 million we had to absorb as refugees. East Pakistan was ripe for separation.

This was not what Quaid wanted, and still the partition is unfinished as Delhi riots and Kashmir lockdown show.

 

[Ace of Spades]

My story is true and yours could be as well.

it is

 

[Joe Shearer]

Exactly the point, but unfortunately lots of my countrymen are too nice to look through the people, hence was my point. Again, not directed at you explicitly, but by large Pakistanis are open hearted people, to the point that they put lots at stake for the sake of niceness.

Only a peculiarly low kind of character would take advantage of the open-hearted nature of a people to do them harm. That is a most offensive allegation, couched though it is in conciliatory language.

This goes otherwise as well. So called friends of Pakistanis like you, keep on eating the roots until they make it vulnerable.

Then you have fundamentally misread the situation. Consider the following:

• Indians of my sort are not against Pakistan, they are against Pakistani adventurism.
• We are not against Pakistanis, we are against those elements in the Pakistani state that would lose their living if an anti-India narrative withers away.
• We are also against those elements in Pakistan that are regressive, just as we are against those same elements in Indian society; my personal view is that these regressive elements in Pakistan have to be sorted out by Pakistanis themselves, and that we will do no good by commenting. We should confine ourselves to comment only about India's own progress or lack of it.

You really don't seem to have a clue as to where we are coming from.

Bhakats bad for you; good indians bad for us. So please don't be surprised when i call the bluff. I am normally not personally attacking you.

No bluff involved, simply inept analysis on your part.

Rather reminding our friendly Pakistanis to be aware. As what you are doing reminding your bhagats and sanghis to be aware.

On the contrary, I have nothing to do with 'our' bhakts and sanghis, not even to make them aware. That is your wilful misreading of the situation.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

I met Pakistani Hindus from Sindh in Dubai and my sindhi friends in Mumbai, 2 of their wives are from Sindh moving in the 90s. They said there is a serious security threat for hindus especially women in Sindh. These are educated, well off people and one can imagine the plight of poor rural hindus.
I support CAA whole heartedly, paritition is meant to be complete. Hindus are welcome in India from Pakistan and Bangladesh. These hostage population theories are silly.

But @fitpOsitive presented a completely different picture. Either you or fitpositive is misinformed.

- PRTP GWD

 

[padamchen]

I second this.

If anyone has any doubt, check Shashi Tharoor on Al Jazeera. You will become aware how much more dangerous these Hindu chauvinists are than Hindutva cadres of RSS.

They present a different face to the West of peace, yoga, nonviolence, Gandhi, etc., while to Pakistanis and Indian Muslims, it is open season to show their fangs.

Congress is much more dangerous, they have kept Kashmir at a standstill for 70+ years and deceived us to let our guard down.

The Congress created Bangladesh.

Kargil did not happen under the Congress.

And it wasn't the Congress who nearly folded on Kashmir. It was a soft sanghi in his advancing years ...

The Congress is there. Wounded and bleeding.

Which is when predators are at their finest.

A little patience.