We have proof of Indian hand in terrorism: Malik

[Spitfighter]

None of which is evidence of the Pakistani state or its institutions being involved in Mumbai, which is the accusation leveled by the GoI and Indian military leadership, as I have pointed out repeatedly - so stop lying and obfuscating.

If anyone here is being disingenuous, its you.

India specific terrorist outfits were setup by the ISI and the PA were they not?. Only after the events of 9/11 did the direct support stop. The strategic ballgame however remains the same. Weren't a few servicemen arrested for links with terrorists the other day?

The GoP, PA and ISI aren't foolish enough to risk getting caught in bed with terrorists, but they can turn a blind eye and still have some plausible deniability.

India accuses the GoP of being complacent because they let these murderers roam free. Those sham trials aren't fooling anyone by the way. They were charged with 'disrupting trade'. Pakistan does nothing to stop militants, claims they are non state actors, and threatens war when India vows retaliation. How is that not involvement?

My dog poops in your lawn, I claim I have no control over it so you come chasing to discipline the dog but I threaten you with a gun and tell you to back off.

Who's responsible?

 

[NSG_BlackCats]

You seriously can't be that naive, can you?

Don’t worry about me mate, I have no doubt in your expertise in international matters.

All these countries saying indian evidence has truth or no means very little.

It may have no importance for you. But leaders of different countries don’t agree with your point of view. State head of many countries is kept on asking Pakistan to do more on the fight against terror. Your government can not ignore them as they are giving Pakistan a lot of financial add.

It's in their interest to say that india is right and so on. Pakistan provides no less or no more substantial proof, but due to where interests lie, the evidence is denied or accepted. I can guarantee you if it was interests of NATO or US to admit indian involvement, they would've done so.

Please wait till the day when NATO feels it is in their interest to act against India.

 

[Skeptic]

None of which is evidence of the Pakistani state or its institutions being involved in Mumbai, which is the accusation leveled by the GoI and Indian military leadership, as I have pointed out repeatedly - so stop lying and obfuscating.

Dear AM,

Going through the thread you have been repeatative several times over, I would first of all request you to clarify which statement from Dr. Manmohan Singh are you referring to? Since you have mentioned several times over with ever increasing confidence that Indian PM said that the dossier contained evidence incriminating official agencies. I think either I have missed some news releases or you are fabricating statements. From what I can recall and search, Manmohan gave the evidence (dossier) claiming involvement of Pakistani nationals and mentioning that sophistication and military precision of the attack indicated towards involvement of Pakistani official agencies. It was never claimed that it contained phtographs of ISI head handing AK-47 to Kasab (As none of the Pakistanis would accept anything less as credible evidence).

Whatever was claimed by the dossier has been proven. Involvement of Pakistani nationals in Planning and executing the attacks and GoP has indicted a few based on that only.

The evidence sufficiently proves that attack was well thought out and Plan only difference is in the assesment part, because this will vary with the analyst. Indian and American conclude that it indicates State involvement at certain level. Pakistani analyst comfortably duck the question asking for more concrete and credible proof.

If the Prime Minister has stated anything else, kindly provide the exact quote saying that the dossier contained direct evidence linking Pakistani agencies to Mumbai attack.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

The GoP, PA and ISI aren't foolish enough to risk getting caught in bed with terrorists, but they can turn a blind eye and still have some plausible deniability.

Which means India has no evidence - case closed and my point validated - your leadership continues to rant about Pakistani complicity in the Mumbai attacks and terrorism in India despite having no evidence. So no point criticizing Pakistan for doing the same.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Dear AM,

Going through the thread you have been repeatative several times over, I would first of all request you to clarify which statement from Dr. Manmohan Singh are you referring to?

Don't be ridiculous - the Indian PM and other political leaders have argued several times that Pakistani institutions were invovled in the Mumbai attacks and MMS made the whole 'end support to terrorism' rant in his visit to Russia.

Since you have mentioned several times over with ever increasing confidence that Indian PM said that the dossier contained evidence incriminating official agencies.

Would you Indians please stop lying - I did not say that the Indian PM said that the dossier contained evidence implicating the ISI or the Pakistani state, I said that the Indian PM, other GoI leaders and the Indian military have accused the Pakistani state and institutions of involvement in Mumbai and terrorism without evidence.

Pakistani analyst comfortably duck the question asking for more concrete and credible proof.

Usually asking for credible evidence is a prerequisite to making a case ...

 

[Windjammer]

What we hear from Indians is this: http://www.defence.pk/forums/current-events-social-issues/40428-incoming-barrage-india.html

and this

http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...ian-cautions-against-unconcealed-delight.html

Little do they know, how well capable we are for absorbing and giving hard knocks. Once this menace is pulverized, i do expect some fireworks.

 

[Trisonics]

what country in the world sees its children die on a daily basis and has proof of an enemy nation's involvement but it sits quietly and waits for more bomb blasts from the enemy nation?

what happened to the beautiful pride that every Indian secretly admired, every time a Pakistani General went "We know how to guard our boundaries...we will give a fitting response"???

where is the fitting response? At least for the sake of 100s of innocent lives that were lost Please do something!!! The families of the dead deserve answers..Please do something!!!!

 

[Skeptic]

Don't be ridiculous - the Indian PM and other political leaders have argued several times that Pakistani institutions were invovled in the Mumbai attacks and MMS made the whole 'end support to terrorism' rant in his visit to Russia.

Stay Calm. Only argument that has ever been (apart from media hysteria) states that level of sophistication and precision indicates involvement of official agencies. nothing more nothing less. If you are offering a rebuttal, do so with the statement in question.

Would you Indians please stop lying - I did not say that the Indian PM said that the dossier contained evidence implicating the ISI or the Pakistani state, I said that the Indian PM, other GoI leaders and the Indian military have accused the Pakistani state and institutions of involvement in Mumbai and terrorism without evidence.

You have given 7 dossiers related to the alleged terrorists involved (7 suspects, including the alleged masterminds, are under arrest and being prosecuted). That is not evidence against the Pakistani state or its institutions, which is the accusation made by MMS and others in the Indian government and military.

Your words Sir. Clear inference that Dr. Singh intended the dossier as evidence against Pakistani agencies. Only difference in what I am saying is, Dr. Singh said that Evidence shows involvement of Pakistani nationals (which it did) and the level of precision and sophistication indicates involvement of Pakistani "Official Agencies".

Usually asking for credible evidence is a prerequisite to making a case ...

Yup it does but the film with which the shot of ISI chief with Kasab was taken was over exposed (pun intended).

Anyways, we have provided the details of the plan the monetary transactions and details of training regime - where they were conducted and how... and for any further physical evidence direct access to the crime site would be required (which means the place where plan was hatched). Unfortunately such places can only be accessed by Pakistani agencies and their role is not above suspicion(US and several other countries do agree). This is not the case in Afghanistan where India and Pakistan both have access and Pakistan more so to obtain evidence.

 

[Windjammer]

what country in the world sees its children die on a daily basis and has proof of an enemy nation's involvement but it sits quietly and waits for more bomb blasts from the enemy nation?

what happened to the beautiful pride that every Indian secretly admired, every time a Pakistani General went "We know how to guard our boundaries...we will give a fitting response"???

where is the fitting response? At least for the sake of 100s of innocent lives that were lost Please do something!!! The families of the dead deserve answers..Please do something!!!!

These are desperate measures by a defeated and bewildered enemy who merely wants to cause panic amongst masses. Since the scumbags are brainwashed to the point of no return, they have nothing to loose and are adamant to kill as many as possible as is evident in their change of tactics to target Markets and shopping malls. The Pakistan Army on the other hand has to be very cautious as to avoid collateral damage, that's the difference but the army is hitting them where it hurts. The PA could easily deploy APCs and Tanks to guard it's establishments, by doing so it could safeguard it'self against such attacks but it refuses to do so as it wants to be seen in and with the general public.

 

[TruthAloneTriumphs]

Little do they know, how well capable we are for absorbing and giving hard knocks. Once this menace is pulverized, i do expect some fireworks.

What goes around comes around

 

[TruthAloneTriumphs]

These are desperate measures by a defeated and bewildered enemy who merely wants to cause panic amongst masses. Since the scumbags are brainwashed to the point of no return, they have nothing to loose and are adamant to kill as many as possible as is evident in their change of tactics to target Markets and shopping malls. The Pakistan Army on the other hand has to be very cautious as to avoid collateral damage, that's the difference but the army is hitting them where it hurts. The PA could easily deploy APCs and Tanks to guard it's establishments, by doing so it could safeguard it'self against such attacks but it refuses to do so as it wants to be seen in and with the general public.

On that note, I've seen a YouTube, video in which a religious lunatic showers praises on his fellow "Jehadees" saying something on the lines of..."no army can defeat us because we love dying, fighting for blah blah and then adds because they are afraid to die". So it would be a critical game for the PA to beat the terrorists in their game that too in their/your own backyard. Hope your army can & will uproot them otherwise I'm afraid in the words of Hakimullah Mehsud "We are fighting the Pakistan army, police and the frontier corps, because they are following American orders. If they stop following their orders, we will stop fighting them,"We want an Islamic state. If we get that, then we will go to the borders and help fight the Indians.". So I guess we are next on the list, just as we were praying Pakistan would beat Australia in T20 and give a chance to India to stay in the tournament, now we hope to see PA dismantle the terror outfits and again we hope we will not be dissappointed like during the T20 cup.

 

[Windjammer]

What goes around comes around

Then IOK should ring some bells.

 

[Windjammer]

On that note, I've seen a YouTube, video in which a religious lunatic showers praises on his fellow "Jehadees" saying something on the lines of..."no army can defeat us because we love dying, fighting for blah blah and then adds because they are afraid to die". So it would be a critical game for the PA to beat the terrorists in their game that too in their/your own backyard. Hope your army can & will uproot them otherwise I'm afraid in the words of Hakimullah Mehsud "We are fighting the Pakistan army, police and the frontier corps, because they are following American orders. If they stop following their orders, we will stop fighting them,"We want an Islamic state. If we get that, then we will go to the borders and help fight the Indians.". So I guess we are next on the list, just as we were praying Pakistan would beat Australia in T20 and give a chance to India to stay in the tournament, now we hope to see PA dismantle the terror outfits and again we hope we will not be dissappointed like during the T20 cup.

Before ranting away and comparing death and destruction with a game, perhaps a reality check will remind anyone living in oblivion that it's innocent Pakistani citizens and not Americans who are being murdered in cold blood. We in Pakistan don't heed what a cave dweller may gloat about. Successive governments imply their policies as the situation requires, just like Mrs. Gandhi justified storming the Golden Temple and the rest is history. Although the threat from the likes of Hakimullah Masud should keep the Indian authorities on edge, i mean if a dozen people can keep Mumbai under seige for two days, imagine what could a few thousand do.!!!! There goes T20.

 

[MilesTogo]

Would you agree that Retired Army officers are suspects now?

None of which is evidence of the Pakistani state or its institutions being involved in Mumbai, which is the accusation leveled by the GoI and Indian military leadership, as I have pointed out repeatedly - so stop lying and obfuscating.

 

[MilesTogo]

You sound like you are proud of those dozen jihadis...

Before ranting away and comparing death and destruction with a game, perhaps a reality check will remind anyone living in oblivion that it's innocent Pakistani citizens and not Americans who are being murdered in cold blood. We in Pakistan don't heed what a cave dweller may gloat about. Successive governments imply their policies as the situation requires, just like Mrs. Gandhi justified storming the Golden Temple and the rest is history. Although the threat from the likes of Hakimullah Masud should keep the Indian authorities on edge, i mean if a dozen people can keep Mumbai under seige for two days, imagine what could a few thousand do.!!!! There goes T20.