We have intercepted American Drones: ACM Amman

[Inception-06]

Those who play up the "Musharaf had no choice" because America said "bomb stone age" better pray that another terrorist attack on USA does not take place where the culprits are from Middle East or are Arabs. And that USA does not again get angry and say the magic words "bomb stone age" because Pakistan will have no other option but to drop it's shalwar down and offer it's butt cheeks to USA.

Just pray .... !!!

The Sell out was to cheap ! Musharraf gets only hard on India ! Dont you follow his recent childish interviews ?

 

[BATMAN]

he wasn't the ACM then and it was the PM who instructed the PAF to stand down.

Both the than ACM and the PM were puppies of Asif Ali Zardari.
There should be not doubt that Zardari was putting things together for the said drama from long time.

 

[Maxpane]

wait and see what will the do in future. out of the context i dnt get the point we believe in ALLAH AMIGHTy and have jazba e imani and when america threated us then we didnt stand against them.

 

[HRK]

Yet Pakistan handed Kabul over to Northern Alliance in 2001 under US duress and few measly dollars.

No Pakistan did not hand over Kabul to Northern Alliance actually the very first deception or you can say double game of this Afghan war was played by US .... most of the people have forgoten that Bush Administration was in agreement with Pakistan that they would not let Northern Alliance capture Kabul & only the US forces would capture and manage the Kabul (for this kindly try to find the Press conference of Pervaiz Musharaf just one day before the fall of Kabul)

You might be surprised for that purpose Pakistan allowed the largest ever landing operation of US Marine Force since Korean war (8000 US Marines + 350 vehicles ) in Pakistan's Pasni region ....

 

[araz]

@Kaptaan
In one of the talks in some American think tank. In response to using coercion against Pakistan Moeed Yusuf said that in trying to solve Afghan problem by putting pressure on Pakistan, US might end up with a bigger problem. Presupposing that US will be pragmatic, Pakistan just have to up the ante as it does with India in a bid to raise the cost of intervention by US military into Pakistan.

Hope is that US will weigh Afghan problem with potential Pakistan problem and would make sure it doesn't end up with a bigger problem than it already has in Afghanistan. Af-Pak isn't the only motivator in this case for USA to "punish" Pakistan. There are whole lot of other factors that are created recently apart from CPEC, you have the potential Russia backed IPI gas pipeline, Yuan for trade and maybe more.

All out war doesn't suite USA it seems because that could entail proliferation of nuclear material to every God damn enemy of USA.


According Assad Durrani, Musharraf genuinely thought that US-Pakistan are allied in a sense that US would respect Pakistan's interests in Afghanistan.

Musharraf was wrobg as have been other people before him noticeably Ayub Khan. One needs to understand the mentality of the western people. Zia understood it well which is why he was such a dangerous adversary to them. Musharraf fizzled out under pressure. I dont think we could have avoided siding up with US but we could have bargained harder and gotten a better deal from them. Zia did it and that was why he had to be done away with. Musharraf did not and survives. I would in this matter alone rather have seen Zia at the helm than Musharraf.
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[navtrek]

A message to sanghis and their new daddy in USA

If you want war by god we will bring war to you, every single 220 million pakistani would rather give his life then live a slaves life.

How on earth is India even related here. You are so naive just because Nikki Haley has Indian origin dosent mean she is following India's directions.

She is American! And India has nothing to do with Pakistan and American relationship.

 

[Mav3rick]

You are obviously not thinking this through. Your post signifies total unawareness of the norms of international dealings. For instance who is your biggest trading partner importing your stuff? They will stop that first. Then an embargo on international imports will simply cripple you much before they ever come in. So think a bit more clearly. In international norms "this behaviour is not conducive to a meaningful co operative coalition" rather than."andar aao na to main teri patloon utar kay----------" approach seems a lot better. In case of confrontation with USAYou wont even last one to two days if at all that. The only problem is that this may yet be thrust upon us. In which case be prepared to glow in the dark if you know what I mean and it may well spark Off the 3rd world war.
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Your post presents the darkest picture possible. But it is not realistic.

The US Government is presided by a ****head in Trump but they still have a fully functional Government and systems in place which will prevent an irreversible action in this region. North Korea fired atleast 2 missiles over the territory of Japan well in the proximity of Guam and what was the reaction of the US Government?

Besides, your train of thought is focused entirely on what the US can do. What about what we can do? What happens if we disallow the use of our Airspace and Land? There was an estimated USD 10 Billion a month additional expenditure on the US Government to transport shipments to Afghanistan when we blocked land routes to Afghanistan after Salala. On top of that, that route does not allow weapons shipment and takes 4 days longer than through Pakistan. Basically, our first step in response to withholding of reimbursements by the US Government should be to 'temporarily' withhold blanket approval to the US for use of our Land and Air Routes while the Government reevaluates and calculates the transit fee for each US shipment..........trust me, this alone would put them in the correct position while also bringing in a lot of 'earned' USD to our coffers.

How on earth is India even related here. You are so naive just because Nikki Haley has Indian origin dosent mean she is following India's directions.

She is American! And India has nothing to do with Pakistan and American relationship.

It isn't a surprise that quite a few people in the White House these days have origins in India. And whether they themselves admit it or not, the inclination towards motherland is inevitable.

 

[hassan1]

Air Chief Marshal Sohail Aman, Chief Of The Air Staff, Pakistan Air Force Being Briefed During His Visit To Headquarters, Air Defence Command.

 

[navtrek]

Your post presents the darkest picture possible. But it is not realistic.

The US Government is presided by a ****head in Trump but they still have a fully functional Government and systems in place which will prevent an irreversible action in this region. North Korea fired atleast 2 missiles over the territory of Japan well in the proximity of Guam and what was the reaction of the US Government?

Besides, your train of thought is focused entirely on what the US can do. What about what we can do? What happens if we disallow the use of our Airspace and Land? There was an estimated USD 10 Billion a month additional expenditure on the US Government to transport shipments to Afghanistan when we blocked land routes to Afghanistan after Salala. On top of that, that route does not allow weapons shipment and takes 4 days longer than through Pakistan. Basically, our first step in response to withholding of reimbursements by the US Government should be to 'temporarily' withhold blanket approval to the US for use of our Land and Air Routes while the Government reevaluates and calculates the transit fee for each US shipment..........trust me, this alone would put them in the correct position while also bringing in a lot of 'earned' USD to our coffers.



It isn't a surprise that quite a few people in the White House these days have origins in India. And whether they themselves admit it or not, the inclination towards motherland is inevitable.

You guys are either too innocent or to naive. When ever your politicians or army screw up they blame it on India and you guys just believe it! that's the worst part.

 

[Mav3rick]

You guys are either too innocent or to naive. When ever your politicians or army screw up they blame it on India and you guys just believe it! that's the worst part.

Not blaming really but stating what is quite obvious. Pakistani American would have done the same.

 

[jupiter2007]

wrong you just need one thing
people to vote for right people
which wount happen, as punjab educated people still willonly vote for PML N or its form
similarly sindh educated middle class will vote for either PPPP or PTI

Regardless of who is in power as long as there are laws and they are being inforced.
Drastic steps has to be taken otherwise no change will come, high inflation, high unemployment, weak economy, high prices, 1kg meat will be 2000 rupees.

 

[Falcon26]

Your post presents the darkest picture possible. But it is not realistic.

The US Government is presided by a ****head in Trump but they still have a fully functional Government and systems in place which will prevent an irreversible action in this region. North Korea fired atleast 2 missiles over the territory of Japan well in the proximity of Guam and what was the reaction of the US Government?

Besides, your train of thought is focused entirely on what the US can do. What about what we can do? What happens if we disallow the use of our Airspace and Land? There was an estimated USD 10 Billion a month additional expenditure on the US Government to transport shipments to Afghanistan when we blocked land routes to Afghanistan after Salala. On top of that, that route does not allow weapons shipment and takes 4 days longer than through Pakistan. Basically, our first step in response to withholding of reimbursements by the US Government should be to 'temporarily' withhold blanket approval to the US for use of our Land and Air Routes while the Government reevaluates and calculates the transit fee for each US shipment..........trust me, this alone would put them in the correct position while also bringing in a lot of 'earned' USD to our coffers.



It isn't a surprise that quite a few people in the White House these days have origins in India. And whether they themselves admit it or not, the inclination towards motherland is inevitable.

Unfair statement. More Pakistani Americans helped formulate this policy than Indians. Husain Haqqani himself is the brainchild of this latest measures and has campaigned for this to happen for years. Better to look in the mirror rather than rile up against imaginary Indian hand. Indian-Americans are sympathetic to Indian interests. It’s Pakistani-Americans that have hostile views against their country of origin.

 

[navtrek]

Not blaming really but stating what is quite obvious. Pakistani American would have done the same.

Bro lets just understand one thing only the first generation of migrants have some leanings towards their country. Second generation has very little because they are born and brought up as Americans.

As generations grow they become more and more American. To think that Indian American or Pakistani American still have leanings towards India or Pakistan is not 100% correct.

First generation Indians or Pakistanis 100% will have leanings towards their country but will they jepordise their reputation for their country again no they wont. Thats the truth.

 

[undercover JIX]

Musharraf was wrobg as have been other people before him noticeably Ayub Khan. One needs to understand the mentality of the western people. Zia understood it well which is why he was such a dangerous adversary to them. Musharraf fizzled out under pressure. I dont think we could have avoided siding up with US but we could have bargained harder and gotten a better deal from them. Zia did it and that was why he had to be done away with. Musharraf did not and survives. I would in this matter alone rather have seen Zia at the helm than Musharraf.
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it is always very convenient to criticize past actions. same applies to once life, because we have seen the outcome or results. All made the best decisions based on given situations. what matters is continuity and peruse of national Interests by the leaders coming after. we have a habit of bad talking and ditching the policies of predecessors and changing the whole game, hence intended results are never achieved.

 

[araz]

it is always very convenient to criticize past actions. same applies to once life, because we have seen the outcome or results. All made the best decisions based on given situations. what matters is continuity and peruse of national Interests by the leaders coming after. we have a habit of bad talking and ditching the policies of predecessors and changing the whole game, hence intended results are never achieved.

I dont think it works in Musharraf's case. I think there were quite a few problems with his approach. For instance no one denies there was no other way but to side with the US. But then time has its own utility. Delaying tactics would have had repurcussions for the US forces and its advance into Afghanistan. Therefore there was scope for negotiations. It is one thing to fight against a nation with no tangible army but what about a nuke armed country? Do we think the US would take us on as long as we are singing its praises and supporting it by word but just negotiating sensibly which I dont think we did. Once we gave them access our game was lost as we had our cards on the table. All that was needed was hard bargaining knowing what will be achieved would be short term gain and needed to be acquored in the shortest possible time. I personally thing he lacked the experience and the legitimacy to be able to do it. This was where the problem lay. No matter how you deride Benazir, she had the Charisma to out do the US polity and needed to be there. My guess is her death had that as an idea behind it although to this date we cannot be sure as to what happened.
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