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we cannot defeat isis without defeating the wahhabi theology that birthed it

To Defeat ISIS, We Must Call Both Western and Muslim Leaders to Account

And that includes the Saudi kings whose funding of Wahhabi doctrine gave rise to the scourge of Islamic extremism.


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Flowers are put in a window shattered by a bullet as Paris mourns the victims of a terrorist attack. (AP Photo / Peter Dejong)

What happened in Paris on November 13 has happened before, in a shopping district of Beirut on November 12, in the skies over Egypt on October 31, at a cultural center in Turkey on July 20, a beach resort in Tunisia on June 26—and nearly every day in Syria for the last four years.

The scenario is by now familiar to all of us. News of the killings will appear on television and radio. There will be cries of horror and sorrow, a few hashtags on Twitter, perhaps even a change of avatars on Facebook. Our leaders will make staunch promises to bring the terrorists to justice, while also claiming greater power of surveillance over their citizens. And then life will resume exactly as before.

Except for the victims’ families. For them, time will split into a Before and After.

We owe these families, of every race, creed, and nationality, more than sorrow, more than anger. We owe them justice.

We must call to account ISIS, a nihilistic cult of death that sees the world in black and white, with no shades of gray in between.

We must call to account Bashar al-Assad, whose response to peaceful protesters in the spring of 2011 was to send water cannons and military tanks to meet them.

We must call to account the governments of the United States, France, Britain, Russia, Iran, and many others, who lent support and succor to tyrant after tyrant in the Middle East and North Africa, and whose interventions appear to create 10 terrorists for every one they kill.

We must call to account George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, whose disastrous invasion of Iraq in 2003 and subsequent disbanding of the Iraqi army destabilized the entire region.

We must call to account the Saudi kings—Salman, Abdullah, and Fahd—whose funding of Wahhabi doctrine gave rise to the scourge of Islamic extremism.

When I was a child in Morocco, no clerics told me what to do, what to read or not read, what to believe, what to wear. And if they did, I was free not to listen. Faith was more than its conspicuous manifestations. But things began to change in the 1980s. It was the height of the Cold War and Arab tyrants saw an opportunity: They could hold on to power indefinitely by repressing the dissidents in their midst—most of them secular leftists—and by encouraging the religious right wing, with tacit or overt approval from the United States and other Western allies. Into the void created by the decimation of the Arab world’s secular left, the Wahhabis stepped in, with almost unlimited financial resources. Wahhabi ideas spread throughout the region not because they have any merit—they don’t—but because they were and remain well funded. We cannot defeat ISIS without defeating the Wahhabi theology that birthed it. And to do so would require spending as much effort and money in defending liberal ideas.

I am a novelist. Every year, I spend a great deal of my time giving readings or lectures at which, almost unfailingly, I am asked about Islam and Muslims and the wars now consuming the Middle East. I try to explain and contextualize,
remind people about history and politics, bring in some culture and art into the mix. But every few months, when another terrorist attack happens, the work I do seems to be for nothing. What chance does someone like me have when compared with the power of well-funded networks?

The beheadings, the crucifixions, the destruction of cultural heritage that ISIS practices—none of these are new. They all happened, and continue to happen, in Saudi Arabia too. The government of Saudi Arabia has beheaded more people this year than ISIS. It persecutes Shias and atheists. It has slowly destroyed sites of cultural and religious significance around Mecca and Medina. To almost universal indifference, it has been bombing Yemen for seven months. Yet whenever terror strikes, it escapes notice and evades responsibility. In this, it is aided and abetted by Western governments, who buy oil from tyrants and sell them weapons, while paying lip service to human rights.

I have no patience anymore for people who claim that Muslims do not speak out. They do, every day. Muslims are the primary victims of ISIS, and its primary resisters. It is an insult to every one of the hundreds of thousands of Muslim victims of terrorism to lump them with the lunatics who commit terror. The truth is that ISIS unleashes its nihilistic violence on anyone—Muslim, Christian or Jew; believer or unbeliever—who doesn’t subscribe to their cult.

I wish I could do something for the victims of terrorist violence. But I am a writer; words are all I have. And all I know is that I want, with all my heart, to preserve and celebrate what ISIS wishes to destroy: a multi-ethnic, multi-religious, multi-cultural life.

To Defeat ISIS, We Must Call Both Western and Muslim Leaders to Account | The Nation
Just like in vietnam they couldn't defeat communism and china and the Soviet Union were around
 
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It seems that USA needs backstabbing Saudi Arabia to avoid USA economy collapse. Like they backtabbed Iraq in the past.

USA doesnt need oil, USA economy needs oil-selling in DOLLARS to survive. The base of USA economy is dollar as world currency, and without that their economy will collapse.

Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier deployment to Middle East was announced a few days BEFORE last attacks, like it happened in Charlie Hebdo attacks.

But what is happening now is greater than it was happen in Iraq war.

A war of France against Saudi Arabia can escalate fastly to world war, and after "Iran Deal"... likely USA+Russia+China+Iran have already pact the betrayal of all USA "allies" in a war of this kind.
 
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It seems that USA needs backstabbing Saudi Arabia to avoid USA economy collapse. Like they backtabbed Iraq in the past.

USA doesnt need oil, USA economy needs oil-selling in DOLLARS to survive. The base of USA economy is dollar as world currency, and without that their economy will collapse.

Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier deployment to Middle East was announced a few days BEFORE last attacks, like it happened in Charlie Hebdo attacks.

But what is happening now is greater than it was happen in Iraq war.

A war of France against Saudi Arabia can escalate fastly to world war, and after "Iran Deal"... likely USA+Russia+China+Iran have already pact the betrayal of all USA "allies" in a war of this kind.
that would be great, the whole world gets together and dismantles saudi but they should be careful with mecca and medina, those should be unharmed and be handed over to Iran or other moderate muslims once the al sauds and isis are destroyed.
 
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Yes Wahabi ideology+illiteracy+joblessness+poverty+foreign invasion

I live in Interior Sindh of Pakistan. One of the most impoverished region of Pakistan. Trust me, we've little to no Islamic extremism since Sindh has significant Sufi influence but that is not to say Saudi hasn't tried. Tried but failed.

Simply blaming Wahhabism won't solve anything, it's just a way to scapegoat a certain sect without addressing the underlying problems.

No one's simply blaming Wahhabism if you read the article. While Wahhabism ONLY may not be the problem but it's the fundamental cause of the problem.
 
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The problem is the politicisation and militarism of Islam.

You go to a Church or Synagogue, and you hear prayers and singing.

You go to a Mosque, and you hear politics.

Islam is no longer a 'religion', it's become an armed political movement.

One could argue it's always been that way, just with dormant periods.
 
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The problem is the politicisation and militarism of Islam.

You go to a Church or Synagogue, and you hear prayers and singing.

You go to a Mosque, and you hear politics.

Islam is no longer a 'religion', it's become an armed political movement.

One could argue it's always been that way, just with dormant periods.
the problem with these purists is that they don't see Islam as a religion, to them it's an all encompassing system where everything from what you're allowed to eat/wear, to all aspects of society and governance should be dictated by a rigid Islamic code, no room for critical thinking.. they say the foreign policy of an Islamic country should be jihad and waging war against those who oppress muslims and that there can be no peace anywhere till there is strict sharia everywhere, they'll just keep jihading away, easy because they love to die "martyrs" and this world means nothing anyway, it's all about the afterlife.

it's beyond insane, these people are a lost cause.
 
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the problem with these purists is that they don't see Islam as a religion, to them it's an all encompassing system where everything from what you're allowed to eat/wear, to all aspects of society and governance should be dictated by a rigid Islamic code, no room for critical thinking.. they say the foreign policy of an Islamic country should be jihad and waging war against those who oppress muslims and that there can be no peace anywhere till there is strict sharia everywhere, they'll just keep jihading away, easy because they love to die "martyrs" and this world means nothing anyway, it's all about the afterlife.

it's beyond insane, these people are a lost cause.


I agree with that. The thing is that Christians and Jews have learned to quietly 'ignore' or reinterpret passages from their holy texts that cannot be carried out in modern society (stoning to death)- whereas Muslims seem to completely object to reforming Islam or modernising the interpretations.
 
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Simply blaming one sect is really just brushing aside the real problem, because it's easy to place blame, rather than dealing with the actual problem that exists.


Islam hasn't been destroyed. It's not about placing blame, it's about finding a solution by looking at the actual problems. Placing blame gets no body anywhere.

An example, ISIS's origin is in Iraq, and it's foundation was built in US prisons in Iraq, where it's leaders were held. Now, we could blame the US, or the Iraqi establishments that didn't see this coming, but how can we be sure that this could even be seen coming? We don't, we simply don't have the answer to that. What the US and Iraq did was increase security measures to prevent any such events from occurring in the future. How well that goes, is anyone's guess.

In this case, what is the solution? For this we need to look at the history of the issues, and find a way to make sure it never happens again. It was never the Wahhabis that caused AQ and ISIS to become a reality, no AQ and ISIS simply used it as a very potent weapon. A gun is nothing but a lump of metal, if there are no bullets.

Anyway, I would go on, but I don't have much time, so all I'll say is that the answer to this isn't simply blaming the first thing you see. Look at the entire situation, and keep in mind, common links don't always imply common cause.

I am just glad, the world is finally waking up and not brushing every Muslim with a same brush, they are finally pointing fingers in the right direction. Good-luck convincing the world not to blame the sect, when 100% of the terrorist belong to one sect.
 
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No one's simply blaming Wahhabism if you read the article. While Wahhabism ONLY may not be the problem but it's the fundamental cause of the problem.
It's not even the cause, and that's my point. Geopolitics isn't that simple. Wahhabism didn't cause Iraq to become a mess, the US invasion did. The ttp aren't a threat because they're wahhabi, they're a threat because they're a proxy for external organizations that want to split Pakistan...etc.

I am just glad, the world is finally waking up and not brushing every Muslim with a same brush, they are finally pointing fingers in the right direction. Good-luck convincing the world not to blame the sect, when 100% of the terrorist belong to one sect.
Really? Did you know the Russians are mainly facing their insurgency from Sufi militants? In fact, Wahhabi militants only make up a small number of the militants.

You can be glad all you want, but all you're doing is exactly the same thing that the world, you say, used to do.
 
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ISIS have nothing to do with wahabism infact ISIS are ex baathists who are always at odds with GCC and Turkey.
 
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Really? Did you know the Russians are mainly facing their insurgency from Sufi militants? In fact, Wahhabi militants only make up a small number of the militants.

You can be glad all you want, but all you're doing is exactly the same thing that the world, you say, used to do.

Please, stop making things up, as you go along to make your point valid. Its not exactly a big secret, who is behind all this destruction all over the world.

ISIS have nothing to do with wahabism infact ISIS are ex baathists who are always at odds with GCC and Turkey.

Really, I suppose that's why Isis supply lines of weapons and man from Turkey have been cut off and financing from GCC nations have stopped? Oil fields controlled by ISIS never been bombed and oil sell via Turkey. All this because Isis is at odds with them. I wonder what would have happened, if Isis were in favor of these countries.
 
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Please, stop making things up, as you go along to make your point valid. Its not exactly a big secret, who is behind all this destruction all over the world.
So, because you can't argue against me, all you're going to do is accuse me of making everything up? Okay then.
 
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Good-luck convincing the world not to blame the sect, when 100% of the terrorist belong to one sect.
Yes, because the Hanafi Deobandi TTP are so Wahabbi.

@That Guy
Another problem is that there is no definition of 'Wahabbi.' Very few people actually call themselves that. The common definition appears to be: Deobandi (more than 20% of Pakistan's population), Salafi, Ghair-Muqallid, and basically anyone who doesn't agree with the mainstream molvis.

Obviously, that definition doesn't work - especially when looking for one sect to blame for terrorism (which honestly is no different to non-Muslims looking to blame one particular religion for terrorism).
 
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