We can boycott China, but at what cost?

[Novice09]

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[Flash_Ninja]

Media does it because it wants to get viewership.

India pakistan fight is like a saas bahu serial. It gets the eyeballs.

Then there is terrorism which is a real thing and which makes every Indian furious.

Furious? you mean the angry tweets of some Indian keyboard warriors

But yes India Pakistan fight is like a serial, India being the poor orphan who has to cry out for daddy america to come save her every time.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...issiles-were-used-by-pakistan-in-aerial-brawl
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/03/world/asia/india-military-united-states-china.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/03/world/asia/india-military-united-states-china.html

 

[Gadkari]

LOL


And who you are going to replace the trade with? America?

First we have to manufacture before we can think of export and trade.

For now, we should be looking to cater to our own internal demand.

https://www.thehindubusinessline.co...es-a-play-for-toys-market/article32024734.ece

Gujarat town looks to topple China in global toy supply chain

Rutam Vora Ahmedabad | Updated on July 09, 2020 Published on July 08, 2020

A file picture of an Ajanta showroom in Morbi - SAM PANTHAKY

The manufacturing hub of Morbi known for its tiles and timepieces is making a big play to become the toy factory to the Mattels, LEGOs and Hamleys of the world. It aspires to replace Chinese supplies and become the new playground for multinational toy giants.

Around 150 electronics items and clock manufacturers from Morbi are in talks with firms which source parts or finished products from China for the Indian market. According to Jaysukh Patel, MD of Ajanta-Oreva Group, the world’s largest wall-clock maker, the ongoing Covid-19 crisis and the recent border conflicts with China have prompted factory owners here to explore new dimensions to their businesses and try and get a chunk of the orders going to China.

A natural progression

Patel points out that due to low demand, Morbi’s manufacturers are currently operating at barely 20 per cent capacity. Last year, the industry here operated at less than 60 per cent of its capacity.

“So, we started looking at our strengths and decided to replace China as a supplier for small electronic equipment for consumer appliances, toys and gift articles,” explains Patel.

He said not only are they engaging with toy and gift articles makers but also consumer durable firms such as Hitachi, Samsung and LG for new business.

Clocks and electronic gifts manufacturer Sagar Sutaria of Siddhart Gifts has already laid out plans to foray into moulded plastic toys and soft toys as an immediate extension of his business.

“We are not worried about entering the new segment of toys, because the market is very much accessible as most of the gift article shops sell toys and clocks together. It gives us easy access to the market.

“We will continue to make clocks and start a second line of business with toys and fill in the Chinese shoe,” Sutaria said.

Competing on cost, quality

Can Morbi match China in cost competitiveness? Morbi's businessmen have worked out the economics and are confident they can not only take on the country in cost but offer superior quality too.

“Our capability is not in mobile making or TV or big electronic products. But we are good at smaller products with economies of scale. And thanks to Covid-19, we now have spare labour, spare capacity and spare time — at least for the next one year. We plan to build on it and capitalise on this opportunity,” Patel said. He adds that a letter has been sent to Prime Minister Narendra Modi seeking government support and protection for this segment of products.

The letter dated July 5 raises concerns on under-invoicing/tax evasion by Chinese companies to dump goods into the Indian market and ruin the country’s MSME sector.

“Indian MSME is competent enough to compete with Chinese products provided we curb the unethical imports of Chinese products. It will be a great assistance and boon to the MSME sector, if we can curb such unethical imports,” the letter stated.

Notably, over the past 50 years, Morbi’s clock industry has updated itself with Japanese and German technologies of quartz for clocks and needled its way into prominence.

“Today, over 90 per cent of India’s clocks are made in Morbi. Raw material supplies of plastics and electronics inputs like PCBs, LCD, etc., are secured for them. So, they may not need to go looking for suppliers,” said Patel.

Morbi has over 300 SMEs operating in clocks, gifts and electronics items manufacturing employing over 35,000 workforce — mostly locally available.

The timing may just be right for the transition to toys.

Furious? you mean the angry tweets of some Indian keyboard warriors

But yes India Pakistan fight is like a serial, India being the poor orphan who has to cry out for daddy america to come save her every time.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...issiles-were-used-by-pakistan-in-aerial-brawl
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/03/world/asia/india-military-united-states-china.html

By furious I mean completely IGNORING pakistan in ALL matters including sports, Trade, Tourism or Healthcare.

Reducing our diplomatic staff and withdrawing our Ambassadors.

Trying to penalize pakistan internationally by putting it on FATF, and blocking all kinds of Aid to pakistan.

Putting pressure on its border, and forcing pakistan to spend more on defence and bankrupting its economy.

Need I go on ?

 

[Taimoor Khan]

First we have to manufacture before we can think of export and trade.

Will/shall/would/should … is all BS talk. Do you have any timeline for achieving in what you believe in and what you are going to do in the meantime when all the jigonistic talk about you lot pulling the plug on trade and commerce with your biggest trading partner China? Who is going to step in and replace China for you?

Put it simply, no nation on this planet can replace China. Not only because they are manufacturing hub of the world but also the biggest consumer market with billion plus, rich and well off people.

By furious I mean completely IGNORING pakistan in ALL matters including sports, Trade, Tourism or Healthcare.

Reducing our diplomatic staff and withdrawing our Ambassadors.

Trying to penalize pakistan internationally by putting it on FATF, and blocking all kinds of Aid to pakistan.

Putting pressure on its border, and forcing pakistan to spend more on defence and bankrupting its economy.

Need I go on ?

Basically what you are implying is "Project isolating Pakistan" of Modi.


I would say, don't look far, just look around in your neighbour and see how the isolation is going on.

 

[Gadkari]

Will/shall/would/should … is all BS talk. Do you have any timeline for achieving in what you believe in and what you are going to do in the meantime when all the jigonistic talk about you lot pulling the plug on trade and commerce with your biggest trading partner China? Who is going to step in and replace China for you?

Put it simply, no nation on this planet can replace China. Not only because they are manufacturing hub of the world but also the biggest consumer market with billion plus, rich and well off people.

We have already pulled the plug on China.

But I have no idea if the govt. will take some serious steps to boost self reliance in India. So far I have only seen them fumble along in the dark , trying to do some good, but having no clue HOW to do it.

I am pretty sure Modi WANTS to do it, but KNOWING HOW to do it is a totally different ball game.

In any case, the plan is to replace china and in time, we will see a new picture emerge. I am not sure what that will look like.

China being well off and a huge market means NOTHING when we are not able to sell ANYTHING of value to them. Its just a light and pony show.

China has PLENTY of non Tariff barriers that effectively restricts imports from India.

Basically what you are implying is "Project isolating Pakistan" of Modi.

I would say, don't look far, just look around in your neighbour and see how the isolation is going on.

Irrespective of HOW it is going one, we plan to continue acting on that objective.

Till pakistan decides to end terrorism as a instrument of state policy.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

We have already pulled the plug on China.

But I have no idea if the govt. will take some serious steps to boost self reliance in India. So far I have only seen them fumble along in the dark , trying to do some good, but having no clue HOW to do it.

I am pretty sure Modi WANTS to do it, but KNOWING HOW to do it is a totally different ball game.

In any case, the plan is to replace china and in time, we will see a new picture emerge. I am not sure what that will look like.

China being well off and a huge market means NOTHING when we are not able to sell ANYTHING of value to them. Its just a light and pony show.

China has PLENTY of non Tariff barriers that effectively restricts imports from India.

You have very well described on how truly and totally India is screwed. Enter the recession, negative growth, India well on the way of becoming covid19 hub and hunger. I will let you ponder over it.

Irrespective of HOW it is going one, we plan to continue acting on that objective.

Till pakistan decides to end terrorism as a instrument of state policy.

You can keep on trying.

Just look where Pakistan was , say during when Manmohan was the PM of India and where it is now. Proof is in the pudding.

 

[Gadkari]

You have very well described on how truly and totally India is screwed. Enter the recession, negative growth, India well on the way of becoming covid19 hub and hunger. I will let you ponder over it.

India was getting screwed by china over trade for a very very long time. This is India finding its own feet and its own strengths and capacity.

With over 1.3 Billion people, creating demand is easy and if there is political will, even supply chain can be built and if we do that Indian economy will grown beyond 10% per anum.

Even now as we speak, Rural markets are recovering in India and is pushing Demand.

The rainfall was 15% above normal.

Tractor sales have bucked the auto slump — in May, tractor sales in the domestic market registered a decent 4% growth year-on-year. This indicates the rural economy is in better health than the urban one and India is largely rural.

Demand of Steel has picked up in Rural sector.

https://www.business-standard.com/a...ad-recovery-in-unlock-1-0-120061800724_1.html

Even sale of Two wheelers in rural markets have picked up.

IT sector, pharma sector are all doing well.

You can keep on trying.

Just look where Pakistan was , say during when Manmohan was the PM of India and where it is now. Proof is in the pudding.

LOL.... are you seriously comparing India with pakistan ? We are worlds apart.

 

[Gadkari]

Modi Economics working on ground level.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1281460094199193601

 

[Taimoor Khan]

With over 1.3 Billion people

You are a dysfunctional nation. Half of it live below poverty line, recent pandemic situation has laid bear the situation India was desperately trying to hide from the rest of world.

LOL.... are you seriously comparing India with pakistan ? We are worlds apart.

There is no comparison, Pakistan is in a different league to India.

What I was trying to educate you on is to how India vs Pakistan equation was in recent past to now. It's pretty evident.

 

[Gadkari]

You are a dysfunctional nation. Half of it live below poverty line, recent pandemic situation has laid bear the situation India was desperately trying to hide from the rest of world.

LOL. We are an open society and we hide nothing.

Indian govt. now provides 5 kg of Rice / Wheat and 1 kg of Daal FREE to 800 Million Indians till November 2020.

That is PER PERSON and has been happening since March 2020.

So a family of 4 will get 20 Kg Rice / wheat and 4 Kg Daal / Pulses per month.

There is FREE treatment for CoVid patients all over India.

There is no comparison, Pakistan is in a different league to India.

What I was trying to educate you on is to how India vs Pakistan equation was in recent past to now. It's pretty evident.

If anything, condition of pakistan has gotten WORSE in all indicators, while India has improved considerably.

 

[Laozi]

You are a dysfunctional nation. Half of it live below poverty line, recent pandemic situation has laid bear the situation India was desperately trying to hide from the rest of world.

If a country is run by politicians then according to you it is dysfunctional !!! STRANGE

There is no comparison, Pakistan is in a different league to India.

Pakistan is run by a handsome playboy how can a chaiwala ever be compared with such a dashing personality.

 

[KhanBaba2]

Pakistan is in a different league to India.

That is a very accurate statement.

 

[Flash_Ninja]

By furious I mean completely IGNORING pakistan in ALL matters including sports, Trade, Tourism or Healthcare.

Reducing our diplomatic staff and withdrawing our Ambassadors.

Trying to penalize pakistan internationally by putting it on FATF, and blocking all kinds of Aid to pakistan.

Putting pressure on its border, and forcing pakistan to spend more on defence and bankrupting its economy.

Need I go on ?

1)
None of that makes any sense. Since when did Pakistan ever cooperate with India in trade, tourism, or healthcare in the first place?

2)
You never had an ambassador there in the first place genius, and trust me literally nobody cares about the reduction of your staff if anything almost everyone would like to see their entire removal.

3)
Trying to take credit for FATF is pathetic. Everybody knows who pulls the strings there, and India did what exactly other than cry and beg daddy america to do something; and what aid did India managed to get blocked to Pakistan then please do share your delusions?

4)
"putting pressure on the border"??? You've lost around 5-10k soldiers on the border in the last 20 years and youre talking about putting pressure on the border as if we are scathed in the slightest. The suicide rate in your military is significantly higher, and you not only embarassingly lost in the last skirmish but ended up shooting down one of your own transport helos. So I think we know who is really feeling under pressure here.

Now please do go on, but this time do bear in mind you arent talking to one of your fellow braindead urine guzzling comrades.

 

[Gadkari]

1)
None of that makes any sense. Since when did Pakistan ever cooperate with India in trade, tourism, or healthcare in the first place?

2)
You never had an ambassador there in the first place genius, and trust me literally nobody cares about the reduction of your staff if anything almost everyone would like to see their entire removal.

3)
Trying to take credit for FATF is pathetic. Everybody knows who pulls the strings there, and India did what exactly other than cry and beg daddy america to do something; and what aid did India managed to get blocked to Pakistan then please do share your delusions?

4)
"putting pressure on the border"??? You've lost around 5-10k soldiers on the border in the last 20 years and youre talking about putting pressure on the border as if we are scathed in the slightest. The suicide rate in your military is significantly higher, and you not only embarassingly lost in the last skirmish but ended up shooting down one of your own transport helos. So I think we know who is really feeling under pressure here.

Now please do go on, but this time do bear in mind you arent talking to one of your fellow braindead urine guzzling comrades.

I totally agree,

1. We never ever traded with pakistan or gave visa for medical reason.
2. We never had an ambassador in pakistan
3. India is not a member of FATF
4. There is no bombarding going on at the borders.

 

[Flash_Ninja]

I totally agree,

1. We never ever traded with pakistan or gave visa for medical reason.
2. We never had an ambassador in pakistan
3. India is not a member of FATF
4. There is no bombarding going on at the borders.

1) Now go look at the volume of both those things. *hint* if the medical visa process consisted of having to ask some random person on twitter for approval then its likely miniscule.
2) No a simple google search proves that you havent for more than a decade.
3) Wow if all it takes is to simply be a member, then Pakistan is responsible for putting Iceland, Panama, and Ghana on the exact same list then. Such a shame though, for people who boast of thinking themeselves so powerful you couldnt even manage to beg america to put poor "bankrupt pakistan" on the blacklist.
4) Considering you people spend around 5 times what Pakistan spends on defence, I fail to see any achievements or successes. If anything 5-10k losses, mass incompetence in the last skirmish, and much higher rates of suicide, raise the question of what exactly have Indians actually done to Pakistan other than endlessly brag about their nonexistent relevance online.