We are ready for war, but choose to walk path of peace: Pak army

[koolio]

So the super duper Gangadeshis are ready for war, im sure they have plenty of stocks of cow piss and leopard drink to make them invisible?

 

[SQ8]

The PM has ordered, the Army Chief has directed. In a week or so from now, there will be a few, or a lot, of dead pakistanis. Whether or not that will solve the problem is questionable, but a few Pakistani combatants just had their fates sealed. That much is certain. At this very moment, they are under observation. They are the real dead men walking.

As if Indians dont die.

 

[Didact]

As if Indians dont die.

Not my intention to suggest so. People will ultimately die both sides. And I do not necessarily like this tit for tat low level tactical response because they don't really work as advertised. Useless racking up of body count. As if numbers even matter at this low level of casualties. Killing for the sake of killing without a larger strategic objective is outright abhorrent, IMO.

Beyond that Whosoever slit the throat of the BSF Jawan intended this now inevitable escalation.

The patterns are now all too familiar. Talks proposed, or some forward movement between India and Pakistan, followed by an attack on Indians somewhere followed by the cancellation or roll back of forward movement. India has handed the remote control of talks to a few jihadis/non state actors/deep state actors who now dictate which direction the relationship will proceed. Disgraceful to be forced by few individuals with their agendas.

For this reason I'd made a presentation once arguing for uninterrupted talks between India and Pakistan. Talks delinked from terror, but with overwhelming retaliation as deemed necessary. People can't seem to understand that set up I talked about. Ah well.

 

[randomradio]

Not my intention to suggest so. People will ultimately die both sides. And I do not necessarily like this tit for tat low level tactical response because they don't really work as advertised. Useless racking up of body count. As if numbers even matter at this low level of casualties. Killing for the sake of killing without a larger strategic objective is outright abhorrent, IMO.

Beyond that Whosoever slit the throat of the BSF Jawan intended this now inevitable escalation.

The patterns are now all too familiar. Talks proposed, or some forward movement between India and Pakistan, followed by an attack on Indians somewhere followed by the cancellation or roll back of forward movement. India has handed the remote control of talks to a few jihadis/non state actors/deep state actors who now dictate which direction the relationship will proceed. Disgraceful to be forced by few individuals with their agendas.

For this reason I'd made a presentation once arguing for uninterrupted talks between India and Pakistan. Talks delinked from terror, but with overwhelming retaliation as deemed necessary. People can't seem to understand that set up I talked about. Ah well.

The idea behind retaliation is to put the fear into them. That even they could die tomorrow without having to cross the border. In the larger scheme of things, it's likely meaningless, but it needs to be done anyway.

As for talks, it's meaningless. They want Kashmir. We want Kashmir. And due to the strategic location of the state, there is no middle ground. We have tried talks too many times and failed. The best result for India at this time is status quo. Talks do not give us any advantage. Anyway, the jihadis do not hold the remote control, the ISI and PA do. So talks cannot happen without the PA being the main stakeholder of the talks. And the last time that happened was in 1972, called the Shimla Agreement. And even that was breached in 1999 by the Pakistanis.

Anyway, what is your definition of overwhelming retaliation?

 

[ranawat]

BD will attack you soon

With flowers.

 

[HAIDER]

In next few DAYs , Indian COAS will announce a successful surgical strike inside Pakistan ... get ready @Irfan Baloch

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Ao kana

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[xyx007]

Common ...let's see if the result is any different in fourth war. Every war in the past was won by Pakistan. Pakistan has the most battle-hardened and professional military in the world today. Modi would regret any funny misadventure against Pakistan. Indian elections are won on anti-Pakistan agenda. Modi is under the severe criticism, so he is trying to divert the attention of the people from his corruption. Modi is not a statesman, he is a petty politician and such petty politicians cannot serve anybody. India also needs a broadminded ruler like Imran Khan.

 

[ranawat]

Common ...let's see if the result is any different in fourth war. Every war in the past was won by Pakistan. Pakistan has the most battle-hardened and professional military in the world today. Modi would regret any funny misadventure against Pakistan. Indian elections are won on anti-Pakistan agenda. Modi is under the severe criticism, so he is trying to divert the attention of the people from his corruption. Modi is not a statesman, he is a petty politician and such petty politicians cannot serve anybody. India also needs a broadminded ruler like Imran Khan.

Every war was won by pakistan and lost only area of kargil and east pakistan .

Ao kana

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Jokers from some drama ?
Lol .....Ha ha ha ..
Send them to take kashmir.

 

[Serious Carrey]

you along with general Pippin should also calm your tits since this time you are going to face men not unarmed little girls you lot are used to

We handled your "men" very well in each of the past wars. Come out of your grandiose delusions.

@ranjeet

 

[Hrk19]

Every war was won by pakistan and lost only area of kargil and east pakistan .



Jokers from some drama ?
Lol .....Ha ha ha ..
Send them to take kashmir.

no,most of pakistan's population is armed with heavy weaponry
what it means is that the
indian army is out numbered by pakistan.
another thing to add is that your army's equipment is obsolete and that too according to your army
www.atimes.com/article/indian-army-says-equipment-obsolete-not-ready-war/amp/

oh forgot one thing,
indians are not allowed to own heavy weapons so all the indian civilains have are knives and sticks.

 

[Serious Carrey]

Every war was won by pakistan and lost only area of kargil and east pakistan .



Jokers from some drama ?
Lol .....Ha ha ha ..
Send them to take kashmir.

How dare you say that they are jokers from some drama? They are the special space force trained for colonizing the Mars first and then the rest of the solar system.


@Reichsmarschall

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Every war was won by pakistan and lost only area of kargil and east pakistan .



Jokers from some drama ?
Lol .....Ha ha ha ..
Send them to take kashmir.

do you want to lose more heads?

We handled your "men" very well in each of the past wars. Come out of your grandiose delusions.

@ranjeet

so did
how adorable it is watching them play in Pakistani prison camp

How dare you say that they are jokers from some drama? They are the special space force trained for colonizing the Mars first and then the rest of the solar system.


@Reichsmarschall

yeah sure but still they cant compete this lot

 

[Serious Carrey]

do you want to lose more heads?


so did
how adorable it is watching them play in Pakistani prison camp

yeah sure but still they cant compete this lot

Okay, now you are behaving like a whining kid

I am very sleepy, so can't give you a detailed response but I will try.

So, you posted a picture of a few Indian soldiers in a Pak prison? So what? Should I post the 1971 picture of your army's most disgraceful surrender? (Please, don't ask me to post that pic, I am way too tired.) Wasn't that number around 90,000?

And about those chaddi member photos!!! Did I say that they were some special force? But you posted your photo of drama company soldiers with pride. Hence the sarcasm.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Wasn't that number around 90,000?

No it wasn't
and why do you think its still 1971? there is no mukti bahini to sabotage defenses this time neither would be fighting 1000 miles away and i posted picture from 1 vs 1 war where IA faced PA and got the bloody nose
your army is too coward to face us in the direct war thus they have to look for excuse everytime


Indian army 'backed out' of Pakistan attack
By Siddharth Srivastava

NEW DELHI - Reluctance for battle by an ill-prepared army could have resulted in India not launching an attack on Pakistan in the aftermath of the Pakistan-linked terror attack in the Indian city of Mumbai on November 26 in which nearly 200 people died.

High-level government sources have told Asia Times Online that army commanders impressed on the political leadership in New Delhi that an inadequate and obsolete arsenal at their disposal mitigated against an all-out war.

The navy and air force, however, had given the government the go-ahead about their preparedness to carry out an attack and repulse



any retaliation from Pakistan.

Over the past few weeks, it has become increasingly apparent from top officials in the know that the closed-door meetings of top military commanders and political leaders discussed the poor state of the armory (both ammunition and artillery), and that this tilted the balance in favor of not striking at Pakistan.

According to senior officials, following the attack on Mumbai by 10 militants linked to Pakistan, India's top leadership looked at two options closely - war and hot pursuit.

Largely for the reasons cited above, the notion of an all-out war was rejected. Hot pursuit, however, remains very much on the table.

The government sources say that a framework for covert operations is being put in place, although India will continue to deny such actions. Crack naval, air and army forces backed by federal intelligence agencies will be involved. The target areas will be Pakistan-administered Kashmir and areas along the Punjab, such as Multan, where some of the Mumbai attackers are believed to have been recruited.

The coastal belt from the southern port city of Karachi to Gwadar in Balochistan province will also be under active Indian surveillance.

Thumbs down to war
Following the Mumbai attack, New Delhi's inclination was to launch a quick strike against Pakistan to impress domestic opinion, and then be prepared for a short war, given the pressures that would be exercised by international powers for a ceasefire to prevent nuclear war breaking out.

The expectation of New Delhi was that the war would go beyond the traditional skirmishes involving artillery fire that take place at the Kashmir border, essentially to check infiltration by militants, or the brief but bloody exchanges at Kargil in 1999.

It was in this context that the army made it apparent that it was not equipped to fight such a war, given the military's presence along the eastern Chinese borders, and that India was at risk of ceding territory should an instant ceasefire be brokered with Pakistan.

This would have been highly embarrassing, not to mention political suicide for the Congress-led government in an election year. So instead, New Delhi restricted itself to a strident diplomatic offensive that continues to date, and the option of hot pursuit.

The air force, on the other hand, was confident that it was prepared to take on the first retaliatory action by Pakistan, expected at forward air force bases along India's borders in Rajasthan, Gujarat and Indian-administered Kashmir. The role of the navy in the operations was not clearly defined, but it was to cover from the Arabian Sea.

Not ready to fight
Various experts, former generals and independent reports have voiced concern over the past few years about the state of preparedness of the Indian army.

For example, the Bofors gun scandal of the 1980s stymied the army's artillery modernization plan, with no induction of powerful guns since the 1986 purchase of 410 Bofors 155mm/39-caliber howitzers. The army has been trying to introduce 400 such guns from abroad and another 1,100 manufactured domestically, without success.

The latest report by the independent Comptroller and Auditor General said the state's production of 23mm ammunition for Shilka anti-aircraft cannons and 30mm guns mounted on infantry combat vehicles lacked quality. Further, supply was nearly 35% short of requirements.

India's huge tank fleet is in bad shape due to a shortage of Russian spare parts, while indigenous efforts, such as the main battle tank Arjun, have failed.

Signs of trouble emerged during the Kargil war when it was revealed that India's defense forces were dealing with acute shortages in every sphere.

In remarks that underscored the problems, the then-army chief, V P Malik, said his forces would make do with whatever was in hand, given the fears of a full-scale war that was eventually avoided due to pressure by America, then under president Bill Clinton.

The Kargil review committee report noted, "The heavy involvement of the army in counter-insurgency operations cannot but affect its preparedness for its primary role, which is to defend the country against external aggression."

Although there have been attempts to hasten India's overall defense modernization program, estimated at over US$50 billion over the next five years, gaping holes need to be plugged, including corruption and massive delays in the defense procurement processes.

India's defense expenditure has dipped below 2% of gross domestic product for the first time in decades, despite experts pegging 3% as adequate.

Other defense arms are in dire need of enhancement. Fighter jet squadrons are much below required strength, while the bidding process for medium fighter planes has only just begun and may take a few years to complete.

Meanwhile, the prospects of an India-Pakistan conflict are not over. India's army chief, General Deepak Kapoor, said last week that Pakistan had redeployed troops from its Afghan border to the western frontier with India. "The Indian army has factored this in its planning," Kapoor said.

Siddharth Srivastava is a New Delhi-based journalist. He can be reached at sidsri@yahoo.com.