You better read the post I was responding to in order to understand the underlying meaning.
Ways of improving India-Bangladesh bilateral relations?
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You being from Sylhet makes you an expert on Assam??
I am from Assam and my forefathers were from Assam (They were there in plain lands of Assam even before Ahoums from thailand settled in Assam). So YOU get your facts right first before commenting on Assam's demography.
Unfortunately our borders are too porus to let these blood sucking mosquitos into our land and our politicians too greedy for their vote banks to allow these mosquitos to keep on sucking onto our bloods.
And NO thanks for allowing the ULFA leaders to settle, get trained and operate from your lands and making a combined effort to separate (and subsequently merge with BD probably) Assam from India since the 80s. But remember its all in vain and Assam will never be separated from India, no matter how hard these brainwashed faarts may try. India's strength lies in its "unity in diversities" and it will remain so for times to come.
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5 LAKH INDIANS WORK ILLEGALLY
Dhaka to raise the issue at home secretary-level meet in New Delhi
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About half a million Indian nationals, who enter Bangladesh with tourist visas, are illegally working in various sectors and remitting millions of takas to India through hundi, revealed an intelligence agency report.
They overstay, work without permission and evade income tax, depriving the government of a huge amount of revenue, said the report recently submitted to the Ministry of Home Affairs.
Most of them come with tourist visas for a week or two but stay for months or years, said an official of the intelligence agency.
Officials at the home ministry said the issue would be raised at the home secretary-level meeting of the two neighbouring nations beginning in New Delhi on Thursday.
The issue will be one of the top agenda of the two-day meeting, a senior official of the ministry told New Age on Tuesday.
According to the report, thousands of Indian nationals come to Bangladesh on tourist visas and get employed in various jobs in the export processing zones, garment factories, information technology companies, English medium schools and textiles and fisheries industries.
They do not bother to seek permission for work or extend their visas, said the official of the intelligence agency that prepared the report after months of investigation.
Thousands of nationals from other countries also stay and work in Bangladesh the same way, but the home ministry officials time and again have failed to ascertain their number.
The home ministry official said Bangladesh would take up the issue strongly in the New Delhi meeting.
The Indians coming with tourist visas will have to seek permission from the Bangladesh government for working here, and pay income tax, he said. As they work illegally, they send their earned money illegally to India.
A 12-meeber delegation led by the home secretary, Md Abdul Karim, will leave Dhaka today to attend the meeting which will also discuss a number of contentious issues.
Fencing on the border by Indian, cross-border smuggling, the bid to push in Bangla-speaking Indian nationals, unprovoked firing and killing of innocent Bangladeshis by jawans of the Indian Border Security Force are the issues expected to dominate the discussion.
Implementing the 1974 Land Border Agreement signed by the two neighbours to exchange enclaves and hand over Bangladeshi criminals staying in India will also come up in the meeting.
Sources in the home ministry said the security aspect of the Dhaka-Kolkata express train service would be given due importance in the meeting since the issue is yet to be resolved.
The director-general of the Bangladesh Rifles, director-general of the foreign ministry, senior officials of the home ministry and Joint River Commission and additional inspector-general of police will accompany the home secretary to the eight meeting. Such a meeting is supposed to be held every year.
The last home secretary-level meeting was held in Dhaka in April 2006.
Dhaka to raise the issue at home secretary-level meet in New Delhi
Staff Correspondent
About half a million Indian nationals, who enter Bangladesh with tourist visas, are illegally working in various sectors and remitting millions of takas to India through hundi, revealed an intelligence agency report.
They overstay, work without permission and evade income tax, depriving the government of a huge amount of revenue, said the report recently submitted to the Ministry of Home Affairs.
Most of them come with tourist visas for a week or two but stay for months or years, said an official of the intelligence agency.
Officials at the home ministry said the issue would be raised at the home secretary-level meeting of the two neighbouring nations beginning in New Delhi on Thursday.
The issue will be one of the top agenda of the two-day meeting, a senior official of the ministry told New Age on Tuesday.
According to the report, thousands of Indian nationals come to Bangladesh on tourist visas and get employed in various jobs in the export processing zones, garment factories, information technology companies, English medium schools and textiles and fisheries industries.
They do not bother to seek permission for work or extend their visas, said the official of the intelligence agency that prepared the report after months of investigation.
Thousands of nationals from other countries also stay and work in Bangladesh the same way, but the home ministry officials time and again have failed to ascertain their number.
The home ministry official said Bangladesh would take up the issue strongly in the New Delhi meeting.
The Indians coming with tourist visas will have to seek permission from the Bangladesh government for working here, and pay income tax, he said. As they work illegally, they send their earned money illegally to India.
A 12-meeber delegation led by the home secretary, Md Abdul Karim, will leave Dhaka today to attend the meeting which will also discuss a number of contentious issues.
Fencing on the border by Indian, cross-border smuggling, the bid to push in Bangla-speaking Indian nationals, unprovoked firing and killing of innocent Bangladeshis by jawans of the Indian Border Security Force are the issues expected to dominate the discussion.
Implementing the 1974 Land Border Agreement signed by the two neighbours to exchange enclaves and hand over Bangladeshi criminals staying in India will also come up in the meeting.
Sources in the home ministry said the security aspect of the Dhaka-Kolkata express train service would be given due importance in the meeting since the issue is yet to be resolved.
The director-general of the Bangladesh Rifles, director-general of the foreign ministry, senior officials of the home ministry and Joint River Commission and additional inspector-general of police will accompany the home secretary to the eight meeting. Such a meeting is supposed to be held every year.
The last home secretary-level meeting was held in Dhaka in April 2006.
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People at the helms of affairs in New Delhi and Kolkata must know that the 4,096-kilometer-long and porous India-Bangladesh border is a time bomb that will explode sooner or later. In West Bengal and particularly places like Maldah, South Dinajpur and Jalpaiguri and other areas adjoining Indo-Bangladesh border, illegal immigration has been a long standing problem.
In Maldah and Jalpaiguri alone more than 70 per cent of rikshaw pullers and workers in the unorganized sector of labour are from Bangladesh without valid papers. In the light of the recent terrorist attacks in different parts of the country, security agencies have been expressing concern that these illegal immigrants could well be involved or lured in terrorist activities in exchange of money or other procurement.
This Citizen Reporter who has been travelling in the entire region during the recent panchayat polls reports that the Border Security Force and the CRPF who have been scrutinizing these polls, have expressed concern what they called political connivance at such infiltration.
The 4,096-kilometer-long and porous India-Bangladesh border makes for easy crossing. In Nagaland, the population of Muslims, mostly illegal migrants from Bangladesh, has more than trebled in the past decade - the figure rising from 20,000 in 1991 to more than 75,000 in 2001. Illegal migrants have settled in various Indian states, including West Bengal, Assam, Bihar (in the northeastern districts of Katihar, Sahebganj, Kishanganj and Purnia), Tripura and even in Delhi.
The steady flow of illegal immigrants from Bangladesh has significantly altered the region''s demographic complexion, particularly in the border districts of West Bengal and Assam, and with important political implications. In Assam illegal migrants affect state politics in a major way, having acquired a critical say in an estimated 50 of the state's 126 assembly constituencies.
At the same time, the steady growth of radical and militant extremists spewing Islamic jargon in Bangladesh since September 11, 2001, and Dhaka's inability, or unwillingness, to tackle the same has raised the stakes further for India. Yet to date it has proved impossible for New Delhi to get an action plan to deal with the problem off the ground. The late national security adviser, J N "Mani" Dixit, was reportedly aware and concerned about these developments. But he did not find eager ears in the Manmohan Singh cabinet to listen and attend to this real danger. It is also known that the US Embassy is aware of the danger, but will not say anything lest it be construed as interfering in another sovereign state's affairs. Internal quibbling among the powers-that-be in Delhi over threat perception priorities has worsened the situation.
Meanwhile, the 1983 legislation that stymied India's historic immigration law, the Foreigners Act of 1946, and seriously tipped the scales in favor of the illegal immigrants - the Illegal Migrants (Determination by Tribunals) Act (IMDT) - was recently reinforced by the Congress-led United Progressive Alliance (UPA) government. For illegal immigrants, many of whom could be anti-India (or anti-Hindu, whatever fits the objective) extremists and Pakistani Inter-Service Intelligence (ISI) operatives, the playing field remains better than level.
EAST INDIA WATCH: Illegal Immigration: India's Ticking Time Bomb
In Maldah and Jalpaiguri alone more than 70 per cent of rikshaw pullers and workers in the unorganized sector of labour are from Bangladesh without valid papers. In the light of the recent terrorist attacks in different parts of the country, security agencies have been expressing concern that these illegal immigrants could well be involved or lured in terrorist activities in exchange of money or other procurement.
This Citizen Reporter who has been travelling in the entire region during the recent panchayat polls reports that the Border Security Force and the CRPF who have been scrutinizing these polls, have expressed concern what they called political connivance at such infiltration.
The 4,096-kilometer-long and porous India-Bangladesh border makes for easy crossing. In Nagaland, the population of Muslims, mostly illegal migrants from Bangladesh, has more than trebled in the past decade - the figure rising from 20,000 in 1991 to more than 75,000 in 2001. Illegal migrants have settled in various Indian states, including West Bengal, Assam, Bihar (in the northeastern districts of Katihar, Sahebganj, Kishanganj and Purnia), Tripura and even in Delhi.
The steady flow of illegal immigrants from Bangladesh has significantly altered the region''s demographic complexion, particularly in the border districts of West Bengal and Assam, and with important political implications. In Assam illegal migrants affect state politics in a major way, having acquired a critical say in an estimated 50 of the state's 126 assembly constituencies.
At the same time, the steady growth of radical and militant extremists spewing Islamic jargon in Bangladesh since September 11, 2001, and Dhaka's inability, or unwillingness, to tackle the same has raised the stakes further for India. Yet to date it has proved impossible for New Delhi to get an action plan to deal with the problem off the ground. The late national security adviser, J N "Mani" Dixit, was reportedly aware and concerned about these developments. But he did not find eager ears in the Manmohan Singh cabinet to listen and attend to this real danger. It is also known that the US Embassy is aware of the danger, but will not say anything lest it be construed as interfering in another sovereign state's affairs. Internal quibbling among the powers-that-be in Delhi over threat perception priorities has worsened the situation.
Meanwhile, the 1983 legislation that stymied India's historic immigration law, the Foreigners Act of 1946, and seriously tipped the scales in favor of the illegal immigrants - the Illegal Migrants (Determination by Tribunals) Act (IMDT) - was recently reinforced by the Congress-led United Progressive Alliance (UPA) government. For illegal immigrants, many of whom could be anti-India (or anti-Hindu, whatever fits the objective) extremists and Pakistani Inter-Service Intelligence (ISI) operatives, the playing field remains better than level.
EAST INDIA WATCH: Illegal Immigration: India's Ticking Time Bomb
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Now we shall hear from our Indian friend who said "Bangladesh is a hell for minorities".
I wonder why are they coming here then.
Or may be they are minorities in India.
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How to manage foreigners working illegally in Bangladesh
Tayeb Husain
Is there large number of foreign workers working illegally in Bangladesh? That is very surprising. Who are those foreign workers, why they are in Bangladesh and what sorts of works they do? Wages in Bangladesh are low and quality of live is poor and how and why foreign workers legally or illegally heaped-up there?
In Bangladesh, one of the poorest countries on earth and 152.6 million people cramped in a small space of 143998 sq km, have many foreign workers. But it is very true that there are many foreign workers in Bangladesh and most of them working illegally.
These foreign workers in Bangladesh, again, are mostly from India. They run hair-cuting salons, small businesses of all sorts, jewellery shops, small scale trading, smuggling and 'Hundi' (the most lucrative business). They are not only in Bangladesh but in many countries of the world. Most of them come to Bangladesh just by crossing the boarders and return home now and then the same way. The other day there was a news item in Bangladeshi newspapers stating that there are "5 lakh Indians work illegally in Bangladesh and "Dhaka is to raise the issue at a home secretary-level meeting in New Delhi" sometime soon as if Indian government sent those people with special permission to work/serve in Bangladesh and Bangladesh must deal with the mater with Indian authority face to face. It is unfortunate that our government and bureaucrats often say things that do not make any sense.
In Bangladesh where millions of people are without job and they really lack a breathing space. These foreigners come illegally to take-up jobs and other meagre facilities that are available and which Bangladeshi people badly need for their own survival and to increase their wellbeing. Actually, small businesses and private sector jobs are the backbone of any economy and it is in these sectors largest numbers of people are employed in every country. Invading Bangladesh by Indian workers not only means job loss for Bangladeshi people but some sort of economic back-truck and stagnation too. The most detrimental effect of this situation is that, some wealth is siphoned out of the country by these foreign citizens and, Bangladesh economy does not get any impetus which could occur if foreigners would have spent their earnings in Bangladesh.
Tax evasion is another serious problem. One can, however, point out that many Bangladeshi also work in India and India faces the same disadvantages what Bangladesh is complaining about But there is a difference. Bangladeshi illegal workers in India are mostly domestic helpers and workers in agricultural fields and in very few cases, helping hands in small shops and offices of Indian small private business houses. All these people, legal or illegal arrivals from Bangladesh, and Nepal, India very badly needs due to her booming economy. Again, India tolerates these illegal workers for that very reason. Illegal workers from Bangladesh or Nepal are a much needed impetus for Indian economy whereas such worker from India in Bangladesh is a burden of Bangladesh's poor economy.
No Indian domestic helpers or agricultural labourer comes to Bangladesh for work. Now the question is, why raising this issue at high home secretary level meeting in India instead of taking "proper step" to discourage foreigners coming to Bangladesh for work, legally or illegally? This "proper step" is very simple and one need not seek Scotland Yards' help to find it out and an action to stop it
I have, for last 4/5 years, writing in public media suggesting for identity card for every citizen in Bangladesh. Identity card is an important tool to detect an individual, local or foreigner. Bangladesh could avoid many of her problems if she could introduce a national identity card for each and every citizen. Organizing Identity Card for the whole population may be difficult, time consuming and costly (NOT really, considering the benefit it could bring) for poor and inefficient Bangladesh administration but Identity Card for each and every employee, from factory worker to prime minister, should not be that difficult to organize. Cost could be borne by employers in many cases and government need not spend a Taka except that it is watched carefully and monitored properly.
Along with obligatory Identity card for employees, each and every organization, big or small, must be registered with the government's Patent and Registration department Even a vegetable seller must have an identity card indicating his trade and a trade licence number and it must be registered with the Patent and Registration department
The identity card could help the country to find out the exact number of people employed and where they live and where they come from. Carrying this identity card should be also obligatory so that any suspicious person can be challenged and one can find out who he/she is and where the person is living and working. Showing this Identity Card for renting out flats or rooms should also be obligatory and it must be always registered in a record by the landlord. List of the people with photographs should be kept hanged on the wall at each and every working place, whether it is an office, factory or a barber shop, for national security people to check anytime and whenever they like. Every employee or self-employed person, including even a rickshaw-puller, must be registered and must have an identity card.
And finally, every working person must be registered with tax department and if and when that working person is a foreign national, he/she must be registered even with the police. Most importantly, every foreign worker must have a work and residence permit, obtained from Bangladesh embassy in his/her own country and before he/she comes and starts working in Bangladesh.
Working without work and residence permit should be considered a criminal offence and punishable by law. That is how many developed Western countries manage and control illegal foreign workers. This action may appear draconian and seems very unkind and troublesome but should not Bangladesh introduce it for the greater interest of the nation?
The New Nation - Internet Edition
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He must have forgotten to give the link.The news is true.
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The Indian security establishment has for the first time acknowledged the emerging security threat from Bangladesh.
An Intelligence Bureau document, prepared for delegates to the 38th conference of Directors-General of Police, states that Bangladesh “has emerged as a security threat to India since the Bangladesh Nationalist Party-led government of Begum Khaleda Zia came to power in 2001″. The document has been accessed by the Hindustan Times.
The document outlines the broad areas that pose a danger to India. These include the presence of Pakistani intelligence officials in Bangladesh, the rise of communal forces and the presence of Indian insurgent groups in that country. It also focuses on illegal immigration from Bangladesh.
The facts contained in the document form part of a new study that the IB had conducted on the issue.
Figures quoted in the document say the number of illegal immigrants from Bangladesh settled in India has crossed 15 million. Of these, 80 lakh are in West Bengal and 50 lakh in Assam.
Pointing out that the “influx” of Bangladeshi nationals has “continued unabated”, the document says that over 4.75 lakh illegal immigrants are settled in Katihar, Sahebganj, Kishenganj and Purnia districts of Bihar. About 3.75 lakh are in Tripura and 4 lakh in Delhi. West Bengal government sources said that of late, they have noticed a new trend in the nature of the immigration – the infiltrators are increasingly using Bengal as a transit point to move to other states.
Nagaland and Mizoram are the two other states in the North-East where Bangladeshi nationals have taken shelter. While in 1991, there were about 20,000 illegal immigrants in Nagaland, the number has now shot up to nearly 80,000.
Stating that illegal immigration has “significantly altered the demographic character” of the states bordering Bangladesh, the document spells out the dangers the massive influx poses to India’s security. It not only refers to the presence of terrorist elements in Bangladesh, but also admits to their clandestine movement into India.
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Areas of concern
** Presence of Pakistani intelligence officials in Bangladesh
** Indian insurgent groups operating from that country
** Facts and figures
Number of illegal immigrants from Bangladesh settled in India has crossed 15 million
** New trend
Infiltrators are using Bengal as transit point to move to other areas
Bottomline
Illegal immigration has significantly altered the demographic character of the border states, particularly Bihar, West Bengal, Tripura and Assam
An Intelligence Bureau document, prepared for delegates to the 38th conference of Directors-General of Police, states that Bangladesh “has emerged as a security threat to India since the Bangladesh Nationalist Party-led government of Begum Khaleda Zia came to power in 2001″. The document has been accessed by the Hindustan Times.
The document outlines the broad areas that pose a danger to India. These include the presence of Pakistani intelligence officials in Bangladesh, the rise of communal forces and the presence of Indian insurgent groups in that country. It also focuses on illegal immigration from Bangladesh.
The facts contained in the document form part of a new study that the IB had conducted on the issue.
Figures quoted in the document say the number of illegal immigrants from Bangladesh settled in India has crossed 15 million. Of these, 80 lakh are in West Bengal and 50 lakh in Assam.
Pointing out that the “influx” of Bangladeshi nationals has “continued unabated”, the document says that over 4.75 lakh illegal immigrants are settled in Katihar, Sahebganj, Kishenganj and Purnia districts of Bihar. About 3.75 lakh are in Tripura and 4 lakh in Delhi. West Bengal government sources said that of late, they have noticed a new trend in the nature of the immigration – the infiltrators are increasingly using Bengal as a transit point to move to other states.
Nagaland and Mizoram are the two other states in the North-East where Bangladeshi nationals have taken shelter. While in 1991, there were about 20,000 illegal immigrants in Nagaland, the number has now shot up to nearly 80,000.
Stating that illegal immigration has “significantly altered the demographic character” of the states bordering Bangladesh, the document spells out the dangers the massive influx poses to India’s security. It not only refers to the presence of terrorist elements in Bangladesh, but also admits to their clandestine movement into India.
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Areas of concern
** Presence of Pakistani intelligence officials in Bangladesh
** Indian insurgent groups operating from that country
** Facts and figures
Number of illegal immigrants from Bangladesh settled in India has crossed 15 million
** New trend
Infiltrators are using Bengal as transit point to move to other areas
Bottomline
Illegal immigration has significantly altered the demographic character of the border states, particularly Bihar, West Bengal, Tripura and Assam
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Now the matter to worry for Bangladesh is among these Indian illegal migrants,there might be terrorists who are recruiting innocent young men here.
We should start dealing with them soon.We already arrested a number of Indian extremist recently.
Besides,they are taking up bangladeshi jobs and sending back money to India.
We should start dealing with them soon.We already arrested a number of Indian extremist recently.
Besides,they are taking up bangladeshi jobs and sending back money to India.
The daily New Age does not keep link for old news. But, if you want I will be sending other reports from the daily star. You will be surprised to see how people from honey-soaked country called India are coming for better opportunity in the flood-prone muddy country called BD. Our economy is booming, but BD does not want superficial share market booms like it was in India.No Link to news ....just plain BS.....
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The news report, if true is talking of immigrants who have entered BD legitimately through visas but have stayed back even after expiry of visa. The stay is illegal, no doubt, but is a lot different from what BDs are doing.
Was not the Illegal Migrants (Determination by Tribunals) Act (IMDT) recently stuck down by the Supreme Court?
I believe in the UPA Govt...unlike the dirty commies they have no interest in allowing the demographic change in the border areas.Chidambaram the home minister is especially concerned about the issue.The fencing has been rapidly increased under the UPA govt.
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@Glomex n toxic,
No point arguing with the deaf, dumb n blinds, who first says there are no illegal BD imigration into India and then brings up some obsolete wet dream of a journalism to counter it. Those who can even imagine of comparing India's economic and social status to BD today can only be lunatics. I for one, by no means, wish that BD remains poor but sincerely wish that they become richer than if not equally rich to India in the coming days. My best wishes with them. But what frustrates me is these pompousness and fool's argument on the illegal immigration and terrorism issue. Their only genuine concern is the river-water issue. Yet one get surprised, frustrated and angry to see their level of hatred towards India (at the same time their goody goody approach towards their once detractor Pakistanis).
BTW, you guys should visit Assam sometimes and then you only will realise that the time bomb that you mention is almost about to burst here. It really breaks my heart to see the demographic changes that has happened in front of my eyes. And it makes me mad at our own greedy politicians who had let it happen and still allowing the viruses to grow at breakneck speed.
@ Hack: The damage has already been done to a great extent in Assam and to some extend in West Bengal. Even if we are able to shut down our borders completely now, what to do with the Millions of them already inside. Specially in Assam, pretty soon the indigeneous Assamese themselves will become minorities. Out of 28 districts Assamese are already minorities in 6 (officially) and 120(in actual taking into account the migrants who are without any papers).
No point arguing with the deaf, dumb n blinds, who first says there are no illegal BD imigration into India and then brings up some obsolete wet dream of a journalism to counter it. Those who can even imagine of comparing India's economic and social status to BD today can only be lunatics. I for one, by no means, wish that BD remains poor but sincerely wish that they become richer than if not equally rich to India in the coming days. My best wishes with them. But what frustrates me is these pompousness and fool's argument on the illegal immigration and terrorism issue. Their only genuine concern is the river-water issue. Yet one get surprised, frustrated and angry to see their level of hatred towards India (at the same time their goody goody approach towards their once detractor Pakistanis).
BTW, you guys should visit Assam sometimes and then you only will realise that the time bomb that you mention is almost about to burst here. It really breaks my heart to see the demographic changes that has happened in front of my eyes. And it makes me mad at our own greedy politicians who had let it happen and still allowing the viruses to grow at breakneck speed.
@ Hack: The damage has already been done to a great extent in Assam and to some extend in West Bengal. Even if we are able to shut down our borders completely now, what to do with the Millions of them already inside. Specially in Assam, pretty soon the indigeneous Assamese themselves will become minorities. Out of 28 districts Assamese are already minorities in 6 (officially) and 120(in actual taking into account the migrants who are without any papers).
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