Ways of improving India-Bangladesh bilateral relations?

[TopCat]

They are building 4 lane expressway for Tripura connecting Akaura to the Dhaka-Sylhet higway.

 

[TopCat]

I am really proud of indian community in USA. there are the leading
high tech engineers, entrepronour and professors in USA. I now When I was in the graduate school in EE around mid 90's highest number of Ph.D offered to any single ethinic group in USA were the indians students. After that quite for over a decade in the hightech
companies indians have climb to the top post in lot of area. Compare to that we bangladeshi and pakistani this number is much smaller.

They( indian) kept the politics out of the campus and we took campus
into the middle of the darty politics.

So? That does not give them the moral authority to suggest shooting mexicans out of USA border when Indians comprised the second largest illegal group in USA.
Also your hig tech group does not average the income of group of 90K/year but the gujus does. High tech averaged around 45k/Year.

 

[toxic_pus]

Sylhet region was incorporated to Assam by the British, otherwise it was always a part of Subeh Bangal. In 1947, because Sylhet was being ruled as an administrative district of Assam, therefore a plebiscite was needed to incoporate it into Pakistan.

So, the Muslim population in Assam proper decreased in number at that point. But, percentage of population is nothing like a fixed number. It may keep on changing due to rates of births, child mortality, natural deaths, child marriage, polygamy, marriages of widows and divorced women etc.

Since 1947, not only the Muslim population of Assam, but also of the then east Pakistan increased at very high rate. Population of east Pakistan was about 40 million in 1947, but increased to 75 million in 1971. This was regardless of many Hindus leaving for India. So, do your own math to calculate the rate of BD increase and compare it with that of Assam.

You are good at strawman arguments and dissemblance.

You claimed in post #66, that the high percentage of muslims in Assam, is due to Assam’s history of Islam dating way back to ‘1206 when Ikhtiar Uddin Muhammed Bakhtier Khilji led the 1st Muslim expedition there’. To this I retorted, in post #67, by reminding you of the fact, that a massive migration had taken place circa 1947, implying, that the impact of history of muslims had largely been nullified due to this massive migration and can’t account for high percentage of muslims in Assam today.

Your response was the usual, absurd and bizarre, ‘muslims-are-sex-maniacs-and-breed-like-lice’ argument, completely forgetting that just a post before your argument was based on muslim history in Assam.

I won’t ask you to back up your claim of 40 million population of East Pakistan in 1947, because I know you will just ignore it. However, it is amazing that continue displaying your stupidity in full glare of the members. If Hindus left BD for India, then Muslims left India for BD as well.

To balance the muslim population increase, you should have asked your non-Muslims in Assam to produce more children.

How eastwatch-esque. Seriously. Are you for real?

 

[toxic_pus]

Tripura never made such claim.

Strawman.

Infact your Tripura CM visit BD 3 times a year. They probably want to be part of BD. What do you think?

I think you have nice sense of humour.

He even boasted about their BD lineage of Blood in them.

So?

34,28,969 which is excluded sylhet dude.

No dude. 3,428,969 is inclusive of Sylhet. Excluding Sylhet, it comes to 1,696,978 (Assam Muslims: Politics & Cohesion, by B. J. Dev & D.K. Lahiri, pg 158 – Now don’t question the veracity of this book. If you read that long rant by Muhammad Hasibor Rahman, you will notice, that he has referred to the same book.)

PS: I will try to read that article that you have posted. But I don't see, if I will be too interested to do so after reading this line; "The underlying purpose of keeping the illegal migrants issue alive appears to be to replace the Indian Muslims living in the state and elsewhere by the Hindu foreigners who have infiltrated and are infiltrating into the state from Bangladesh and Nepal with the sole aim to convert India into a theocratic state." Also, a cursory reading yielded a number of red flags. But unless I do a fact check, I can't comment on those.

PPS: Next time try to give links to the articles you are posting.

 

[khabib]

So? That does not give them the moral ground to suggest shooting mexicans out of USA border when Indians comprised the second largest illegal group in USA.

>> that was not my point at all. I am just saying about that what the indian community has achieved that. We have to separate india's foreigh policy with its innocent people who has nothing to do with this.

Also your hig tech group does not average the income of group of 90K/year but the gujus does. High tech averaged around 45k/Year.

We hired a guy with fresh ph.D this year - His starting salary was 115K. He just happen to be from Calcutta.

Probably you are talking about indian IT worker who comes here in thousand by indian firm who do this cheating. I am not really familiar with the IT sector. More into semiconductor area.

Also, as much as respect I have for my induvidual indian friend, I do hate there foreigh policy toward BD. Period.

 

[HK-47]

However, Bangladesh military must have the authority to make at least one security inspection in between two end points.

You mean the Border Guard?

 

[DesiGuy]

Protecting ones border creates enemies?...WTF

There are millions of illegal Mexico living in USA.

imagine if USA send all of them back to Mexico!

i am sure Mexico won't be happy about.

 

[DesiGuy]

Yes I am close. who is 2nd?

Yes they are specially gujus made a lot of money in motel and taxi business in early 70's and 80's.
They also got their papers straightened through contract marriage and all and fake political asylum.

yea, but many Indian people own business as well.

 

[hack]

So? That does not give them the moral authority to suggest shooting mexicans out of USA border when Indians comprised the second largest illegal group in USA.
Also your hig tech group does not average the income of group of 90K/year but the gujus does. High tech averaged around 45k/Year.

India does not have the 2nd most no of illegal people...why are you making it up? 90% of the illegals are from Mexico and Latin America.Even in the Asia group India is 3rd behind Fillipinos and Chinese.

High tech makes a lot more than 45,000..I am a mechanical engineer and I make a lot more than 45 K so I can imagine what the IT,SAP people make.Plus a lot of doctors are also Indians..median income more than 200 K. However you slice it Indians are the richest ethnic group in the US...if you don't like it it is too bad.

 

[xebex]

Well if USA starts shooting illegals then I think Indians will be the second in line. They are the 2nd after Mexican illegals in USA right?

they dont sneak through the border like mexicans, duh!!!

 

[hack]

they dont sneak through the border like mexicans, duh!!!

He conveniently ignored the fact the no of illegal Indians is a tiny fraction of the total no of illegals...270,000 out of 12 million.Most Indians become illegal because they violate their visa terms...like go out of status in H1 when they lose their job but the illegal population will always be low for Indians cos the American embassies in India pretty much allow only the educated Indians thro. And no Engineer will drive a cab or work as a waiter just for a chance to stay in the US.

US has got the best India has to offer unlike Europe due to her immigration policies and this reflects in the economic status of the Indian community here.

 

[idune]

India does not have the 2nd most no of illegal people...why are you making it up? 90% of the illegals are from Mexico and Latin America.Even in the Asia group India is 3rd behind Fillipinos and Chinese.

FASTEST GROWING GROUP OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS TO US COMES FROM INDIA

The Bay Area has a piece of the nation’s fastest growing group of illegal immigrants. But don’t assume you know who they are.

Turning stereotypes on their head, a recent federal analysis of unauthorized immigration says the most rapidly growing source of illegal immigration is India – the same country whose engineers and programmers help power Google and other Silicon Valley companies, whose doctors heal the Bay Area’s sick, and whose entrepreneurs and venture capitalists have become a force on both sides of the international date line.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security estimates that there are 270,000 unauthorized Indian natives in the United States – a 125 percent jump since 2000, the largest percentage increase of any nation with more than 100,000 illegal immigrants in the United States.

The number of undocumented Indians is dwarfed by the estimated 6.6 million illegal residents from Mexico, according to the estimates from homeland security’s Office of Immigration Statistics. Yet, considering the high level of education of many Indians, immigration experts say the federal report hints at a new phenomenon: a high-skilled undocumented workforce to go along with the nation’s sizable numbers of low-skilled illegal workers.

If trends continue, within three years India would trail only Mexico, El Salvador and Guatemala as a source of illegal immigration. Another national immigration expert, Jeffrey S. Passel of the Pew Hispanic Center, estimates that the number of illegal Indians is even higher, at 400,000 people.

Virtually all entered the United States legally but violated the terms of their visas, say experts who study the nation’s much maligned immigration system.

“How do you get in? You come across the border, or you arrive here with a visa,” said Lindsay Lowell, policy director for the Institute for the Study of International Migration at Georgetown University. “Indians aren’t going to be walking across the border like Mexicans.”

Indians are among the most affluent ethnic groups in the United States, with a median household income that is 62 percent higher than the figure for all U.S. households.

Santa Clara County has the largest Indian-born population, and Alameda County ranks fifth, among the nation’s 3,141 counties, according to 2006 census data. But there is no way to know what share of Bay Area Indian immigrants are illegal.

The Census Bureau does not ask people about their immigration status, and the Office of Immigration Statistics report did not provide state or local estimates. Of the 2.5 million people of Indian ancestry living in the United States, about 1 million are not U.S. citizens.

Federal officials calculated the number of illegal immigrants by using census estimates of the total number of immigrants from individual countries, compiling the total number of legal immigrants using federal immigration and naturalization records, and then subtracting the number of legal residents from the total immigrant population to determine the number of undocumented people.

It is certainly a minority of the local Indian community, however, and probably a very small one. Half the people of Indian ancestry living in Santa Clara County are already U.S. citizens, either by birth or naturalization, according to census data. Thousands of others are legal permanent residents, or they are here legally on student, tourist or work visas.

Asked about the number of illegal Indians in Silicon Valley, Banjit Singh, an Indian-born taxi driver waiting for a fare at Mineta San Jose International Airport, said, “Here, there is a little bit. But you go to another city or state, like L.A. or New York, there are many illegal people.” Drivers need to show proof of citizenship or legal immigration status to get a taxi certificate.

But that doesn’t mean the local number is insignificant. Local immigration lawyers say that particularly among Indians, the ups and downs of Silicon Valley’s economy since 2001 are one reason why Indians have fallen out of legal status.

“Most are bachelors; the way they get here is they have a job,” Gabriel Jack, a San Jose immigration lawyer, said of many of his Indian clients.

“They come here as professionals, most often in the H-1B program, and given the fluctuations of Silicon Valley, the business climate, these guys lose their jobs. They get laid off or they wager their hands on a start-up coming in,” Jack said. “The problem with the H-1B program is, you can’t have any significant time between jobs” without falling out of legal status.

Indians made up 44 percent of H-1B applicants in the 2005-06 fiscal year, five times the number from second-place China, according to federal data.

Because an immigrant’s status can be dependent on the status of a spouse, the break-up of a marriage can also create an illegal immigrant.

Among Indians in the United States, “there has been a rapid increase in the divorce rate. If they are on an H-1, maybe the wife is protected and maybe she isn’t,” said Navneet Chugh, an immigration lawyer whose firm is based in Silicon Valley and Los Angeles. “The guy is an engineer at HP or Cisco, and he goes home on vacation, and his parents say, ‘We have a girl for you.’ And they get married, and they come here and have all kinds of problems.”

Another source is relatives from India who arrive for a visit on a tourist visa and never go home.

“America is a very attractive country; everybody who comes here wants to stay,” said Shah Peerally, a Silicon Valley immigration lawyer. “I can tell you right now, there are nearly 1 billion people in India, of which maybe 800 million want to come here.”

The United States has deported slightly less than 500 Indians a year in recent years. In the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, “we have substantially expanded our effort to find visa violators,” said Virginia Kice, a spokeswoman for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. The government, she said, pursues cases based on public safety, rather than focusing on a specific country of origin.

Silicon Valley companies such as Google say they need to recruit the world’s best talent to compete – and about one in 12 of Google’s U.S. employees, roughly 900 people, are H-1B visa holders. “We have not seen major problems with prospective candidates being out of status,” said Adam Kovacevich, a Google spokesman.

But immigration lawyers like Jack say there is such a backlog of people waiting for green cards – the wait is up to seven years for skilled workers from India as of this month – that an immigrant can still be waiting in line when even a six-year H-1B visa expires.

That can result in an illegal, highly educated, Indian immigrant, they said.

Unless Congress reforms the immigration system, “we are going to see this high-skilled, illegal workforce emerging,” said Frank D. Bean, director of the Immigration Research Center at the University of California-Irvine. “From a narrow economic point of view, it might work. From a social justice, fairness point of view, it’s a time bomb.”

By Mike Swift, Mercury News,02/18/2008

Indian illegal immigrants in US: numbers jumped 125% since 2000 A Zillion reasons to escape from India

Note: I have not post the picture from the site, its just so many attractive indians

 

[TopCat]

I dont mind Illegal Indians in USA but has strong reservation about those big mouth Indians who likes to talk only big.

 

[hack]

I dont mind Illegal Indians in USA but has strong reservation about those big mouth Indians who likes to talk only big.

See the nos 270,000 illegal Indians out of 12 million.And as I keep saying there are many more illegal Chinese(your Gods) and Fillipinos among Asians.

And the Indians are much more successful than the Pakistanis and Bangladeshis and every other ethnic group.You cannot argue that.

 

[idune]

As a tax payer anyone would demand these indians should be kicked out of US. And indian abuse of H1-B should have been stopped long time back by imposing quota and through check. Even indian grocery shopkeepers came to US abusing H1-B system.