Water Car Engineer Was Not Too Far Off

[xyxmt]

I can't believe how unintelligent and ignorant people can be.

Hydrogen is a flammable gas, not a volatile one. Hydrogen burns pretty much like natural gas and can be stored pretty much similar to natural gas. It is safe for transportation using special tanks of high pressure variety or the absorbent low pressure variety or even liquid cryogenic method similar to CNG, ANG and LNG.

Perpetual machines do not exist and can not be built.

Hydrogen to water is what wood is to burnt ash. To say, a car or motorcycle runs on water is to say burnt ash is a good fuel to start huge fires. Yes, one comes from the other but it has been chemically changed (oxidized). To create hydrogen from water more energy is needed (through hydrolysis for example), than the burning of hydrogen can provide. Thus using energy to make hydrogen from water and using that hydrogen as an energy source is wasteful with current technologies.

so what you say to someone who studied business all his life, is a CEO of a major bank making 5 million a year, knows nothing about physics and if someone tells him a car can be run with water, he goes maybe you can...is he an ignorant and unintelligent person. What if he asks you how to do option trading and you go duh what is that and he says how can you be so ignorant and unintelligent everyone in the stock market knows about options trading. I think you get the point dont you?

 

[Gauss]

ok now we know water is made up of hydrogen and oxygen. so we spend energy to separate the hydrogen and oxygen. if we react this separated hydrogen and oxygen energy will be released and we will get water again. but guess what the energy obtained by reacting the hydrogen and oxygen we separated will be less than the energy spent to separate them. and that fellows is physics.

 

[Daneshmand]

so what you say to someone who studied business all his life, is a CEO of a major bank making 5 million a year, knows nothing about physics and if someone tells him a car can be run with water, he goes maybe you can...is he an ignorant and unintelligent person. What if he asks you how to do option trading and you go duh what is that and he says how can you be so ignorant and unintelligent everyone in the stock market knows about options trading. I think you get the point dont you?

He is definitely an ignorant person. No amount of money whether five million or five billion can absolve someone of their ignorance. It is only absolved by gaining knowledge.

And this is not about physics. It is about the very simple truths about the world around us. The simple truths that should have been learnt in elementary school.

 

[Srinivas]

Here we go again ..............

There are many designs and experiments out there of similar kind. In the video the bike requires electric charge to split H2O. It comes in the category of hybrid engine.

 

[livingdead]

@MastanKhan I think you missed the long discussion on water car engineer here.

 

[Daneshmand]

Here we go again ..............

There are many designs and experiments out there of similar kind. In the video the bike requires electric charge to split H2O. It comes in the category of hybrid engine.

No it does not. Hybrid system is a completely different concept. This comes under the category of: Hydrogen fuel enhancement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You would be lucky to get only few percentage improvement in efficiency with current set ups.

 

[Srinivas]

No it does not. Hybrid system is a completely different concept. This comes under the category of: Hydrogen fuel enhancement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You would be lucky to get only few percentage improvement in efficiency with current set ups.

Hybrid in the sense I mean to say combination of technologies.

 

[MastanKhan]

I can't believe how unintelligent and ignorant people can be.

Hydrogen is a flammable gas, not a volatile one. Hydrogen burns pretty much like natural gas and can be stored pretty much similar to natural gas. It is safe for transportation using special tanks of high pressure variety or the absorbent low pressure variety or even liquid cryogenic method similar to CNG, ANG and LNG.

Perpetual machines do not exist and can not be built.

Hydrogen to water is what wood is to burnt ash. To say, a car or motorcycle runs on water is to say burnt ash is a good fuel to start huge fires. Yes, one comes from the other but it has been chemically changed (oxidized). To create hydrogen from water more energy is needed (through hydrolysis for example), than the burning of hydrogen can provide. Thus using energy to make hydrogen from water and using that hydrogen as an energy source is wasteful with current technologies.

" Hydrogen is the smallest element and, as such, it can leak from any container, no matter how well sealed it is. Hydrogen in storage will evaporate at a rate of at least 1.7% per day. We will not be able to store hydrogen vehicles in buildings. Nor can we allow them to sit in the sun. And as hydrogen passes through metal, it causes a chemical reaction that makes the metal brittle. Leaking hydrogen could also have an adverse effect on both global warming and the ozone layer.
Free hydrogen is extremely reactive. It is ten times more flammable than gasoline, and twenty times more explosive. And the flame of a hydrogen fire is invisible. This makes it very dangerous to work with, particularly in fueling stations and transportation vehicles. Traffic accidents would have a tendency to be catastrophic. And there is the possibility that aging vehicles could explode even without a collision ".

The Myth of the Hydrogen Economy


https://courses.engr.illinois.edu/npre470/web/readings/Hydrogen safety issues.pdf page 3


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Which gas is the most volatile(explosive)?
What is the trend of increasing gas volatility or the aspect by which gases become more volatile? The gases are:

hydrogen gas

methane gas

ethane gas

propane gas

which is the more volatile one?
Is it true that the longer the hydrocarbon the more volatile the gas is?


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Best Answer: Hydrogen is the most volatile because it has the lowest molar mass meaning that it has a lower boiling point (doesn't need as much energy to vaporize). Propane, ethane, methane, hydrogen. Hydrogen is also VERY explosive. See fusion in the sun. No it is not true that the longer the hydrocarbon the more volatile the gas because longer hydrocarbons have greater molar masses meaning they need more energy to vaporize not less.
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Yeah · 6 years ago

 

[jamahir]

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ok now we know water is made up of hydrogen and oxygen. so we spend energy to separate the hydrogen and oxygen. if we react this separated hydrogen and oxygen energy will be released and we will get water again. but guess what the energy obtained by reacting the hydrogen and oxygen we separated will be less than the energy spent to separate them. and that fellows is physics.

well, the point here is to replace fossil fuel ( petroleums ) with a renewable one ( water )... brazil and usa already run many vehicles with ethanol ( obtained from sugarcane ).

the process of electrolysis can be started with a battery ( solar power?? ) or with hand-crank.

water is probably the best medium to store hydrogen.

And here comes your long-lost brother with his magic machine... wasif kahloon - Google Search

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@AZADPAKISTAN2009

interesting... very interesting.

If you have even a shred of the knowledge of Physics, you would know that this is completely impossible... Unless you are living in a different dimension than me?

janaab, the machine works... i don't much care for college text books and what they say... i am myself a college dropout and i have been designing a microprocessor, and that too clock-less type of which there are only university or industry research projects and not any commercial chips, yet i have been on this project since 2009.

 

[Daneshmand]

" Hydrogen is the smallest element and, as such, it can leak from any container, no matter how well sealed it is. Hydrogen in storage will evaporate at a rate of at least 1.7% per day. We will not be able to store hydrogen vehicles in buildings. Nor can we allow them to sit in the sun. And as hydrogen passes through metal, it causes a chemical reaction that makes the metal brittle. Leaking hydrogen could also have an adverse effect on both global warming and the ozone layer.
Free hydrogen is extremely reactive. It is ten times more flammable than gasoline, and twenty times more explosive. And the flame of a hydrogen fire is invisible. This makes it very dangerous to work with, particularly in fueling stations and transportation vehicles. Traffic accidents would have a tendency to be catastrophic. And there is the possibility that aging vehicles could explode even without a collision ".

The Myth of the Hydrogen Economy


https://courses.engr.illinois.edu/npre470/web/readings/Hydrogen safety issues.pdf page 3


Yahoo questions:---- which gas is the most volatile(explosive)? | Yahoo Answers

Which gas is the most volatile(explosive)?
What is the trend of increasing gas volatility or the aspect by which gases become more volatile? The gases are:

hydrogen gas

methane gas

ethane gas

propane gas

which is the more volatile one?
Is it true that the longer the hydrocarbon the more volatile the gas is?


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Relevance
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Best Answer: Hydrogen is the most volatile because it has the lowest molar mass meaning that it has a lower boiling point (doesn't need as much energy to vaporize). Propane, ethane, methane, hydrogen. Hydrogen is also VERY explosive. See fusion in the sun. No it is not true that the longer the hydrocarbon the more volatile the gas because longer hydrocarbons have greater molar masses meaning they need more energy to vaporize not less.
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Yeah · 6 years ago

You are ignorant and are unwilling to learn. You bring in technical issues with using hydrogen which all of them have already known solutions eg special alloys exist which do not get brittle and polymer liners exist which bring down "leak" rates to insignificant levels. ALL TECHNOLOGIES, whether gasoline, diesel, electric, natural gas etc have their OWN technical problems. Hydrogen cars already exist and the reason they are not popular is because hydrogen is not cheap. Both internal combustion type as well as fuel cell type. In fact Toyota has just released a new hydrogen car: Toyota's New Model: The Mirai

But then you are ignorant about very simple concepts in chemistry. You even do not know that hydrogen is not a greenhouse gas or that hydrogen upon release into atmosphere leaves planet earth and does not remain in atmosphere for long unlike nitrogen or oxygen.

But then it is rather useless to try to educate you. It is obvious that you do not want to learn anything. Here is a Persian saying:

"He who knows not and knows not that he knows not is a fool; avoid him.
He who knows not and knows that he knows not is a student; teach him.
He who knows and knows not that he knows is asleep; wake him.
He who knows and knows that he knows is a wise man; follow him."

You are the first type.

 

[Gauss]

the process of electrolysis can be started with a battery ( solar power?? ) or with hand-crank.

solar powered battery is a good idea. but hand crank wont work. but i always thought that sufficient hydrogen can only be produced on an industrial scale. in germany there are hydrogen stations where hydrogen run cars can get their tanks filled. but hydrogen at those stations is obviously produced industrially.

 

[MastanKhan]

You are ignorant and are unwilling to learn. You bring in technical issues with using hydrogen which all of them have already known solutions eg special alloys exist which do not get brittle and polymer liners exist which bring down "leak" rates to insignificant levels. ALL TECHNOLOGIES, whether gasoline, diesel, electric, natural gas etc have their OWN technical problems. Hydrogen cars already exist and the reason they are not popular is because hydrogen is not cheap. Both internal combustion type as well as fuel cell type. In fact Toyota has just released a new hydrogen car: Toyota's New Model: The Mirai

But then you are ignorant about very simple concepts in chemistry. You even do not know that hydrogen is not a greenhouse gas or that hydrogen upon release into atmosphere leaves planet earth and does not remain in atmosphere for long unlike nitrogen or oxygen.

But then it is rather useless to try to educate you. It is obvious that you do not want to learn anything. Here is a Persian saying:

"He who knows not and knows not that he knows not is a fool; avoid him.
He who knows not and knows that he knows not is a student; teach him.
He who knows and knows not that he knows is asleep; wake him.
He who knows and knows that he knows is a wise man; follow him."

You are the first type.

Sir

I just posted an interesting viedo and comments that are on the web----and you just start going on a wild tangent.

I majored in automotive engineering from an engineering school----so just let us keep this discussion at its web posting level and not my ignorance.

 

[jamahir]

solar powered battery is a good idea. but hand crank wont work.

by "won't work" you mean inconvenience??

but i always thought that sufficient hydrogen can only be produced on an industrial scale. in germany there are hydrogen stations where hydrogen run cars can get their tanks filled. but hydrogen at those stations is obviously produced industrially.

well, the experimenter did run a motorcycle on it with just a liter of water.

i don't trust hydrogen cars... industrial hydrogen tanks don't shake or go up-down like cars and some space rockets use cryogenic state liquid hydrogen.

i believe water is the best container for hydrogen and if the hydrogen can be concentrated into the water somehow...

 

[Gauss]

by "won't work" you mean inconvenience??

of course. i meant too much work for a human.

well, the experimenter did run a motorcycle on it with just a liter of water.

i don't trust hydrogen cars... industrial hydrogen tanks don't shake or go up-down like cars and some space rockets use cryogenic state liquid hydrogen.

i believe water is the best container for hydrogen and if the hydrogen can be concentrated into the water somehow...

in hydrogen cars the hydrogen goes into fuel cells. so its not exactly put in a tank but is actually stored as droplets in separate cells.

 

[jamahir]

@levina , interesting thread.