Washingtonpost: Straight out of the Nazi playbook’: Hindu try to engineer ‘genius’ babies in India

[fallstuff]

‘Straight out of the Nazi playbook’: Hindu nationalists try to engineer ‘genius’ babies in India
By Annie Gowen | May 8, 2017

Members of a Hindu far-right organization called Arogya Bharati say they are working with expectant couples in the country to produce “customized” babies, who, they hope, will be taller, fairer and smarter than other babies, according to a report in the Indian Express newspaper.

The group's health officials claimed that their program — a combination of diet, ayurvedic medicine and other practices — has led to 450 of these babies, and they hope to have “thousands” more by 2020, the report said.

“The parents may have lower IQ, with a poor educational background, but their baby can be extremely bright. If the proper procedure is followed, babies of dark-skinned parents with lesser height can have fair complexion and grow taller,” Hitesh Jani, the group's national convener, told the newspaper.

Jani explained that the program consists of a “purification of energy channels” and body before a pregnancy, and mantra-chanting and “proper food,” such as meals rich in calcium and vitamin A, after the baby is born.

The newspaper identified the group as the “health wing” of the conservative Hindu group Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, but Ramesh Gautam, Arogya Bharati's national general secretary, said the group was merely “inspired” by the conservative ideology of the RSS rather than being officially supported by it. Arogya Bharati's website says it is a "voluntary organization of service minded people who have an interest in the health of society.”

On Saturday, the chairwoman for a state child rights commission tried to attend one of the workshops where couples are counseled on how to produce these “genius” babies — as the Economic Times termed it — but was barred by organizers, that newspaper said.

“This is an unscientific thing that’s happening here. It cannot continue,” Ananya Chatterjee, the chair of the West Bengal Commission for Protection of Child Rights, said. The group countered that her charges were “politically motivated.”

Responding to a petition from the commission, the West Bengal state high court later mandated that organizers present an affidavit and video of the proceedings, which went off as scheduled.

The program launched over a decade ago and has spread to several Indian states. Organizers said it was inspired by a RSS leader who met a woman in Germany more than 40 years ago. An official said the woman led a post World War II re-population effort in Germany for “signature children” based on the same principles, according to the Indian Express report.

This comment — and its evocation of the legacy of Third Reich era eugenics — prompted immediate backlash on social media, with one critic writing on the Daily O opinion website that this “dystopia in the womb” was “straight out of the Nazi playbook.”

The RSS was founded in 1925 as a volunteer organization to advance the rights of Hindus. Over the years, it has given rise to many of the country’s more successful conservative politicians, including Prime Minister Narendra Modi. A few of its founders praised in essays and books the totalitarian movements of Nazism and fascism sweeping Europe at the time, scholars have noted.

“The original RSS stalwarts found a political validity in racial resurrection championed by Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich,” Angshukanta Chakraborty, an opinion writer on the Daily O website, wrote, adding, “And even now, a racially pure search for homeland or creation of one along racially/communally pure lines appeals to the RSS and is the heart of its ideology.”

Source: Washington Post

Well it sounds like a great plan.
However, even if this scheme works out where India manages to engineer some brilliant kids, how India is going to stop the kids from going to USA ( obviously just like all the other high IQ Indians do !!) when they are ready to go to college. Once they move to USA ( from which no one ever comes back to India) then India will be back to square one.

 

[Shivani87]

Well it sounds like a great plan.
However, even if this scheme works out where India manages to engineer some brilliant kids, how India is going to stop the kids from going to USA ( obviously just like all the other high IQ Indians do !!) when they are ready to go to college. Once they move to USA ( from which no one ever comes back to India) then India will be back to square one.

We have though about that. We have through religious rituals elected our own nazi with germal blood as POTUS who will send these high iq tall and fair indians back through immigration law changes.

 

[Khanate]

Even if I were believe for a second that that this is true- this is nothing like the Nazi martial race BS. Read a history book for god's sake.

While reading a history book should be your goal, I suggest you start with Wikipedia for now:

Read: Nazi eugenics, Racial policy of Nazi Germany

We have though about that. We have through religious rituals elected our own nazi with germal blood as POTUS who will send these high iq tall and fair indians back through immigration law changes.

RIP English. RIP spellings.

Exactly. Really low iq analyses. Will appeal to simple minds. There is no "engineering" just some traditional pre natal care techniques that seem to hold no scientific water but can not be stopped too unless they harm the babies.

Complains of "Low IQ analyses". Doesn't know "prenatal" is one word.

 

[SorryNotSorry]

While reading a history book should be your goal, I suggest you start with Wikipedia for now:

About the article you posted: I still stick by my words and suggest you read about the Nazi program, so that you can see what I'm talking about. Pointing a finger back at me and deflecting will leave you sounding like a dolt.
Ciao

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

What sort of magical prenatal care leads to this:

"The parents may have lower IQ, with a poor educational background, but their baby can be extremely bright. If the proper procedure is followed, babies of dark-skinned parents with lesser height can have fair complexion and grow taller," Hitesh Jani, the group's national convener, told the newspaper.​

Proper prenatal care could increase IQ (1-5pts.) and height. Skin color won't change unless it's a new mutation or the baby is albino.

However, a good shortcut is European and Far East Asian sperm donors.

PS: Pseudoscience only works on TV and movies.

 

[Khanate]

About the article you posted: I still stick by my words and suggest you read about the Nazi program, so that you can see what I'm talking about. Pointing a finger back at me and deflecting will leave you sounding like a dolt.
Ciao

Sounding like a dolt there.

Again,

Read: Nazi eugenics, Racial policy of Nazi Germany

 

[SorryNotSorry]

Sounding like a dolt there.

Again,

Read: Nazi eugenics, Racial policy of Nazi Germany

Now tell me some similarities between the two, besides of course the definition of "eugenics".

 

[satishkumarcsc]

We will become pakistan? By that what do you mean tall and fair or bigoted and superstitious? Pls clarify.

If it is "intellectually inadequate" then it is already happening. Indians, just because pakistani trolls say so, are believing this news despite the clarifications provided by the organisation that

1 - they are not RSSs healthcare wing

2 - the program in question does not claim to make fairer babies (more like better pre natal care leads to healthier babies plus some religious mumbo jumbo - but that mumbo jumbo is being made fun of by people who think an invisible dude is going to punish them after death if they doubt he is going to do that!!!)

Read through this article...You can have a high IQ by reciting mantras? Seriously? I dont care if they are the RSS or any other bullsh*t organization but their mindset is so poor. These guys need to be sent to selective breeding program. They have already destroyed the ideology of India.

Pre natal care means good nutrition. This country has no medical policy. These guys are more interested in religious mumbo joumbo rather than actual heath care.

 

[GodToons]

Sanskrit is a dead language. All you need is a bit of English:

Triggered.

Go out and read slowly and clearly whole text in 'charak samhita' and read my points:
1. This organisation is not related with RSS
2. This process is called 'uttam santan' which translates to healthy baby, equivalent to neo-natal care provided in western countries with far better medical facilities.
3. Instead of taking pot shots based on half knowledge, educate your self and make points. people will appreciate you

 

[salarsikander]

Disgustingly suffering from inferiority complex

 

[GURU DUTT]

Members of a Hindu far-right organization called Arogya Bharati say they are working with expectant couples in the country to produce “customized” babies, who, they hope, will be taller, fairer and smarter than other babies, according to a report in the Indian Express newspaper.

The group's health officials claimed that their program — a combination of diet, ayurvedic medicine and other practices — has led to 450 of these babies, and they hope to have “thousands” more by 2020, the report said.

“The parents may have lower IQ, with a poor educational background, but their baby can be extremely bright. If the proper procedure is followed, babies of dark-skinned parents with lesser height can have fair complexion and grow taller,” Hitesh Jani, the group's national convener, told the newspaper.

Jani explained that the program consists of a “purification of energy channels” and body before a pregnancy, and mantra-chanting and “proper food,” such as meals rich in calcium and vitamin A, after the baby is born.

The newspaper identified the group as the “health wing” of the conservative Hindu group Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, but Ramesh Gautam, Arogya Bharati's national general secretary, said the group was merely “inspired” by the conservative ideology of the RSS rather than being officially supported by it. Arogya Bharati's website says it is a "voluntary organization of service minded people who have an interest in the health of society.”

On Saturday, the chairwoman for a state child rights commission tried to attend one of the workshops where couples are counseled on how to produce these “genius” babies — as the Economic Times termed it — but was barred by organizers, that newspaper said.

“This is an unscientific thing that’s happening here. It cannot continue,” Ananya Chatterjee, the chair of the West Bengal Commission for Protection of Child Rights, said. The group countered that her charges were “politically motivated.”

Responding to a petition from the commission, the West Bengal state high court later mandated that organizers present an affidavit and video of the proceedings, which went off as scheduled.

The program launched over a decade ago and has spread to several Indian states. Organizers said it was inspired by a RSS leader who met a woman in Germany more than 40 years ago. An official said the woman led a post World War II re-population effort in Germany for “signature children” based on the same principles, according to the Indian Express report.

This comment — and its evocation of the legacy of Third Reich era eugenics — prompted immediate backlash on social media, with one critic writing on the Daily O opinion website that this “dystopia in the womb” was “straight out of the Nazi playbook.”

The RSS was founded in 1925 as a volunteer organization to advance the rights of Hindus. Over the years, it has given rise to many of the country’s more successful conservative politicians, including Prime Minister Narendra Modi. A few of its founders praised in essays and books the totalitarian movements of Nazism and fascism sweeping Europe at the time, scholars have noted.

“The original RSS stalwarts found a political validity in racial resurrection championed by Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich,” Angshukanta Chakraborty, an opinion writer on the Daily O website, wrote, adding, “And even now, a racially pure search for homeland or creation of one along racially/communally pure lines appeals to the RSS and is the heart of its ideology.”

forget every thing what if i told you we have been doing that for over 5-8 K years that's why we are where we are and even after centuries of muslim dominationa nd british imperial rule we still are majority hindu nation and still trying to revive ancient glory days ever wondrred why let me explain you how it works

1. the first step is gotras (sub clan like in banyas /agarwals there are 13 like garag, bansal, mittal,sunghal,tayal,airan,goyal,kansal,bindal,jindal, tayal, kuchall,&tingal)are matched like in a caste and no two person from same gotras can marry they are considerred brothers and sisters as they has same ancsstor

2. first step is according to horescope /janam lagan kundli 32 gunn of potential groom and bride are matched and seen weather girl and boy are not manglik(google it) if all is ok then the next step

3. when a women concieves after marriege she is taken very good care in good well to do hindu families and often given yoga and meditation classes and given satvik foods and halwa made of soaked and grinded wheat, almonds , fennel seads with gurr and black pepper or some give chavan prash or kesar pak with hot milk and dried fruits and fresh fuits

and this is why hindu indian (often Bhramins and Baniya & other general catagories) teachers , Charted accountants, managers, doctors , sientists, engineers , mathematicians are respected world over specially in UK , USA and europe and im not joking try watch this clip till the end if you and Mods and admin have the gutts to respect india and our tradition & cultur instead of washing away everuything as conspiracy theory as they guy here is not a lunatic but a mathematician at IIT in india hope you know what it is like to be a professor at IIT

 

[Samudra Manthan]

Read through this article...You can have a high IQ by reciting mantras? Seriously? I dont care if they are the RSS or any other bullsh*t organization but their mindset is so poor. These guys need to be sent to selective breeding program. They have already destroyed the ideology of India.

Pre natal care means good nutrition. This country has no medical policy. These guys are more interested in religious mumbo joumbo rather than actual heath care.

How have they destroyed the "ideology of India"? What is the "ideology of India"? If they believe that children can have high IQ by reciting mantras, that goes against the "ideology of India"? Does this "ideology of India" give no freedom to people to hold and practice their beliefs? Should they be hanged for having beliefs contrary to yours?

Mantras are powerful verbal techniques built on the concept of aligning us to the cosmic rhythm. When we are in step with the cosmic rhythm the flow of life naturally smoothens out and faces no obstacles.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...aby-viral-video-daniel-eisenman/1/944287.html

 

[Khanate]

Now tell me some similarities between the two, besides of course the definition of "eugenics".

It helps if you can read.

This organisation is not related with RSS

All evidence, very well documented, to the contrary:

The facts presented in this post show that Arogya Bharati has many institutional connections with RSS contrary to what OpIndia.com claims. The fact that the National President of Arogya Bharati attends each and every Akhil Bharatiya Pratinidhi Sabha, the fact that seniors RSS leaders attend Arogya Bharti National Executive meetings, the fact that Arogya Bharti events have been conducted under the leadership of senior RSS leaders, the fact that Arogya Bharati events have been conducted in Hedgewar Bhawan which is one of the centers of RSS in Nagpur, all this point to the fact that the two organisations in fact work very closely.

Rajesh Loya (circled) with Mohan Bhagwat at valedictory function of Sangh Shiksha Varg.
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2. This process is called 'uttam santan' which translates to healthy baby, equivalent to neo-natal care provided in western countries with far better medical facilities.

As noted by Altnews:

It has been reported by multiple media outlets that RSS-linked organisation Arogya Bharati has promised ‘Uttam Santati’, i.e. a perfect child under an Arogya Bharati project called “Garbh Sanskar”.

​

No medical expert in a Western country would ever suggest the following:

...the procedure for a such a perfect child according to the Garbh Sanskar program is three months of “shuddhikaran (purification)” for parents, intercourse at a time decided by planetary configurations, complete abstinence after the baby is conceived, and procedural and dietary regulations. According to Indian Express, Dr Hitesh Jani, national convener, Arogya Bharati, claimed that this program could produce tall and fair babies.
​

Source: Altnews (Indian News Source)

 

[satishkumarcsc]

How have they destroyed the "ideology of India"? What is the "ideology of India"? If they believe that children can have high IQ by reciting mantras, that goes against the "ideology of India"? Does this "ideology of India" give no freedom to people to hold and practice their beliefs? Should they be hanged for having beliefs contrary to yours?

Mantras are powerful verbal techniques built on the concept of aligning us to the cosmic rhythm. When we are in step with the cosmic rhythm the flow of life naturally smoothens out and faces no obstacles.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...aby-viral-video-daniel-eisenman/1/944287.html

You cant give proper nutrition to the new born and soon to be mothers but want them to learn mantras? What is this?

 

[GodToons]

It helps if you can read.





All evidence, very well documented, to the contrary:

The facts presented in this post show that Arogya Bharati has many institutional connections with RSS contrary to what OpIndia.com claims. The fact that the National President of Arogya Bharati attends each and every Akhil Bharatiya Pratinidhi Sabha, the fact that seniors RSS leaders attend Arogya Bharti National Executive meetings, the fact that Arogya Bharti events have been conducted under the leadership of senior RSS leaders, the fact that Arogya Bharati events have been conducted in Hedgewar Bhawan which is one of the centers of RSS in Nagpur, all this point to the fact that the two organisations in fact work very closely.

Rajesh Loya (circled) with Mohan Bhagwat at valedictory function of Sangh Shiksha Varg.
​

As noted by Altnews:

It has been reported by multiple media outlets that RSS-linked organisation Arogya Bharati has promised ‘Uttam Santati’, i.e. a perfect child under an Arogya Bharati project called “Garbh Sanskar”.

​

No medical expert in a Western country would ever suggest the following:

...the procedure for a such a perfect child according to the Garbh Sanskar program is three months of “shuddhikaran (purification)” for parents, intercourse at a time decided by planetary configurations, complete abstinence after the baby is conceived, and procedural and dietary regulations. According to Indian Express, Dr Hitesh Jani, national convener, Arogya Bharati, claimed that this program could produce tall and fair babies.
​

Source: Altnews (Indian News Source)

This is wrong interpretation of 'uttam samtan'. It is "healthy child".
Just visit site of this NGO, it is explicitly mentioned that NGO is not related with RSS

Spend some effort and do fact checking, just do not believe on news available in Altnews, QUINT, PRINT, DAILYO, NEWSLaundary specially.