Was Osama Bin Laden Allowed To Escape To Pakistan To Entrap Pakistan Later

[MastanKhan]

Is it surprising? History revision is not a new concept - Heroes and Villains are often interchangeable in today's world of relative morality.

But prevalence of conspiracy theories points towards serious issues psychologically and the traumas suffered- it is a recent phenomenon that complete societies from certain demographics have fallen prey to this bug - I wonder what it portends about the state of affairs.

Disclaimer - I am not absolving or incriminating anyone. It bears to keep in mind that the next stage of evolution from delusion is often mania. The Whole world must do it's part to contribute in the healing process and reverse this sad decay for which it is we who are responsible.

Hi,

The deceit in words---shows the deceit of the mind of the person---am I describing you?

The words spoken in this thread by me are in very simple and plain english-----. Please speak in clear language what you want to say so that the response maybe in kind----.

I don't want to say something silly---and then later I have to regret---.

 

[Adecypher]

Osama is dead. The Taliban hiding in Pakistan and still have not reclaim Afghanistan to rule it. Iraq is not ruled by Saddam. Saddam lost Kuwait in Gulf War. Serbia lost Kosovo during 78 days of bombing. Noriega lost Panama. And ISIS is being pushed back with U.S. led airstrikes. Retaking Ramadi. Mosul is next.

I might be wrong but IMO @Gamer-X's whatever reason = Pakistani Nukes...

Hi,

The deceit in words---shows the deceit of the mind of the person---am I describing you?

The words spoken in this thread by me are in very simple and plain english-----. Please speak in clear language what you want to say so that the response maybe in kind----.

I don't want to say something silly---and then later I have to regret---.

Sir,

In today's day and age of mass "manipulative" strictly biased mainstream media which always project the narratives of its handlers depicting their narratives as the epitome of moral and ethical righteousness etc catering to almost every domain of society ANY alternate voice is deemed "blasphemous" ... and as you can see its defenders come pouring in from all sides with a vengeance to negate, subdue and or crush a "different viewpoint"...don't be surprised as some of them are paid to do that...they are merely doing their job.

 

[VCheng]

· What became of OBL’s wife?

o Where is she? What did she say? Did American’s ask for her from Pakistan? Could Pakistan refuse to hand her over after it had been “exposed” sheltering OBL? (as per popular narrative).

· Why no mention of Chinook?

o Yes there was a recovery helicopter sent by Americans (“sans the sexy stealth”) that came to pickup SEAL’s & equipment after the crash? It gets a passing reference in one documentary & audience is left to believe that one “stealth Hawk” was able to carry the crew of two helicopters + intel retrieved + the OBL body.

The wives and children left behind due to the chopper going down were taken into Pakistani custody and then later released to the Saudis. A Chinook would have taken them all. Those who want proof should look at half of OBL's brain left spattered (and collected) on the wall in the building that the Pakistanis demolished. Perhaps you should ask such questions closer to home?

 

[LeGenD]

I just want to know one freaking thing, where is the proof that he was actually caught in abbottabad? WHERE IS THE PROOF?

His body was dumped in the ocean with no proof of any kind, no video proof, no DNA proof, not even a single picture of his corpse and nobody tries to question the official story.

Just the American Government's testimony is proof enough BS.

What were his wives and children doing in that compound? You think that they would live with strangers?

Pakistan conducted its own investigation and reached the same conclusion.

No country would attempt a mission as bold as Operation Neptune Spear in another country without solid reasons.

 

[CriticalThinker02]

What were his wives and children doing in that compound? You think that they would live with strangers?

Pakistan conducted its own investigation and reached the same conclusion.

No country would attempt a mission as bold as Operation Neptune Spear in another country without solid reasons.

Tell me again how many countries have the US invaded in the last 15 years?, How many bases do they have all over the world today? Weren't they performing drone strikes over Pakistani Airspace almost on a daily basis?

No country would ever attempt to invade another country (Iraq) on a basis of a lie (Weapons of mass destruction) except America so don't give me that BS of them not attempting in conducting a mission as "bold" as Operation Neptune Spear.

This man according to the official story was responsible for 911 and the resulting war on terror that led to countless Muslims to suffer and die all over the world today so I have the fucking right to know if they actually caught him or not or was there any truth behind all of this, not heresy or testimony.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153441832167663

 

[Vapnope]

Do you actually believe that?? And American citizens are all fools who went along with this plan unwittingly and that too for so long???

Do i need to remind you that a vast majority of Americans believed that WMD's are in Iraq and what exactly happened to that claim then?

 

[rockstar08]

this Entire conspiracy is retarded .its the same kinda b.s. as saying 9/11 was a inside job.

I Salute your Contribution to this Thread Sir ...
someone give him Nobel Prize please ..

 

[MastanKhan]

So, your conclusion is that Americans missed on purpose and allowed the war to drag until they are satisfied with enough killing of muslims. Then they target OBL who was scapegoat all along to achieve their sinister designs for muslim world ie mass extermination..

Do you actually believe that?? And American citizens are all fools who went along with this plan unwittingly and that too for so long???

Hi,

Americans are very simple, wonderful and extremely gullible people. They have been programmed that the govt speaks the truth about invading foreign countries but lies about aliens from outer space---that area 51 is hiding treasure troves of information from different worlds----and WMD's were real---.

Just because the president stated it and confirmed by the sec of state---the great Collin Powell---they agreed----as long as they have secure jobs and wars are creating more jobs for them and as long as they cannot see the atrocities first hand in the mainland U S---everything is okay by the citizens of the united states.

Basically---they don't have the time to understand---they don't have the knowledge to comprehend---and even if they did---they care less---.

 

[illusion8]

Hi,

Americans are very simple, wonderful and extremely gullible people. They have been programmed that the govt speaks the truth about invading foreign countries but lies about aliens from outer space---that area 51 is hiding treasure troves of information from different worlds----and WMD's were real---.

Just because the president stated it and confirmed by the sec of state---the great Collin Powell---they agreed----as long as they have secure jobs and wars are creating more jobs for them and as long as they cannot see the atrocities first hand in the mainland U S---everything is okay by the citizens of the united states.

Basically---they don't have the time to understand---they don't have the knowledge to comprehend---and even if they did---they care less---.

The first gulf war was more to do with Iraq invading Kuwait rather than about wmd's..The second one was a foolish one..but then..One doesn't usually expect a wounded 800 pound gorilla to behave rationally.

As for the topic...nice theory you got there...what you have missed out is that if the Americans were so smart that they let obl to wander into Pakistan so that they can hit him later...why weren't they smart enough to cash in on the opportunity of open attack..why sneak into Pakistan to kill him?..It wasn't as if Pakistan had a great rap sheet before obl was taken out.

Though the obl incident did plunge pakistan deeper.

Why weren't the Americans smart enough to stop waging a war for the next decade from 2005 to present and mess up their economy and get thousands of their troops killed when they could have avoided that and gone for obl inside pakistan much sooner?

Why would they spend billions upon billions in trying to track him down...when they knew where he had headed?.

And, lastly what stopped pakistan from exposing obl to the world...Instead of allegedly providing him and his family a safe house?..why willingly fall into the alleged trap?.

 

[airmarshal]

Osama was just a war trophy and dont be deceived by American bravado.

His Al Qaeda had been destroyed in Pakistan/Afghanistan by then. This is a compliment to Pakistan Army which we tend to overlook being so impressed by American stories whirling around OBL killing.

What was OBL when he was killed? Nothing but an emaciated, secluded being hiding for his safety. His Al Qaeda had been rendered dysfunctional. His secret messages, delivered through courier were intercepted by ISI.

America wanted to kill him so that it could justify Afghanistan invasion.

 

[MastanKhan]

The first gulf war was more to do with Iraq invading Kuwait rather than about wmd's..The second one was a foolish one..but then..One doesn't usually expect a wounded 800 pound gorilla to behave rationally.

As for the topic...nice theory you got there...what you have missed out is that if the Americans were so smart that they let obl to wander into Pakistan so that they can hit him later...why weren't they smart enough to cash in on the opportunity of open attack..why sneak into Pakistan to kill him?..It wasn't as if Pakistan had a great rap sheet before obl was taken out.

Though the obl incident did plunge pakistan deeper.

Why weren't the Americans smart enough to stop waging a war for the next decade from 2005 to present and mess up their economy and get thousands of their troops killed when they could have avoided that and gone for obl inside pakistan much sooner?

Why would they spend billions upon billions in trying to track him down...when they knew where he had headed?.

And, lastly what stopped pakistan from exposing obl to the world...Instead of allegedly providing him and his family a safe house?..why willingly fall into the alleged trap?.

Hi,

Cowardice on part of Gen Kiyani and Gen Pasha stopped the exposure of pakistan's help in the Abbotabad strike.

The americans did not spend billions tracking him----they stopped tracking him ( supposedly around 2003----.

There was no sneaking into pakistan to kill him---it was planned with Gen Kiyani and Gen Pasha----.

The americans have already discretely and indiscretely waged a war on pakistan's economy----which has suffered a loss of over a 100 billion dollars since 2002 and 60000 + dead.

No pakistani would provide safe place to Osama---with a head money of 25 million dollars----every pakistani was looking for the reward and a green card for the extended family---.

 

[illusion8]

Hi,

Cowardice on part of Gen Kiyani and Gen Pasha stopped the exposure of pakistan's help in the Abbotabad strike.

The americans did not spend billions tracking him----they stopped tracking him ( supposedly around 2003----.

There was no sneaking into pakistan to kill him---it was planned with Gen Kiyani and Gen Pasha----.

The americans have already discretely and indiscretely waged a war on pakistan's economy----which has suffered a loss of over a 100 billion dollars since 2002 and 60000 + dead.

No pakistani would provide safe place to Osama---with a head money of 25 million dollars----every pakistani was looking for the reward and a green card for the extended family---.

Hi there,

Okay, so you have the pakistani version and the Pakistani perspective going on there about the whole incident...

no point discussing assumptions and theories..because it isn't going to lead anywhere when the whole premise is not recorded or does not tally with the rest.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Hi,

Cowardice on part of Gen Kiyani and Gen Pasha stopped the exposure of pakistan's help in the Abbotabad strike.

The americans did not spend billions tracking him----they stopped tracking him ( supposedly around 2003----.

There was no sneaking into pakistan to kill him---it was planned with Gen Kiyani and Gen Pasha----.

The americans have already discretely and indiscretely waged a war on pakistan's economy----which has suffered a loss of over a 100 billion dollars since 2002 and 60000 + dead.

No pakistani would provide safe place to Osama---with a head money of 25 million dollars----every pakistani was looking for the reward and a green card for the extended family---.

Dear Sir May be it is interesting for you to read Operation Devil lift where upon request from then Gen Musharraf Pakistani C130 lifted thousands of GOOD TALIBANS from Kandhar at that time we still thinking good and bad and these Good Talibans later turned there guns towards Pakistan, even Gen Musharraf admits his mistake and Americans too. As i mentioned previously in every war enemy leadership not harmed for possible negotiations once cleared enemy is no more threat then they go for leadership.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi there,

Okay, so you have the pakistani version and the Pakistani perspective going on there about the whole incident...

no point discussing assumptions and theories..because it isn't going to lead anywhere when the whole premise is not recorded or does not tally with the rest.

Hi,

I have been right more often that not---. Thank you for your time.

 

[Silverblaze]

On may 5th, 2011, a press release issued by ISPR mentions that the corps commander conference discussed OBL strike in which he was killed. Many senior anchors like Talat hussain, Kashif Abbasi, Kamran shahid also mentioned in that subsequent programs that the senior military leadership did confirm that indeed the target was OBL. So, theres is strong evidence that he was there.

Now the point as to why US struck. May be Obama knew it before, he just waited to conduct the strike close to the elections.

a laughable excuse by the American administration about not showing Binladen’s body was that it will aggravate Muslims in the world and will put American lives in danger. Talk about being subtle after invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq leading to the deaths of millions of people though direct military action and decades old sanctions/ blockade of Iraq… the American administration was suddenly worried about the sentiments (and danger to Americans) after killing their prime

Here one is not sure. The OBL compound was razed as authorities feared it could become a place of reverence. Since many of the zealots did perform his funeral in absentia, it does provide some substance to the seemingly risible claim that some people would have been enraged had his body been displayed in Che guevera style.

One imp thing to mention is that in 1998 according to General Ziauddin ex-ISI chief that they were close to catching Osama but the govt changed. He also mentioned that US was told several times that Osama can be eliminated but the general says the US seemed not to 'keen'.