Wake up Lahore - Q&A Session

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This is the Q & A Session of Wake Up Lahore Lecture by Zaid Hamid.


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[rawraw]

I M SATCFIT FOR THIS PART

it gives me pleasure that the youth of pak are realising the truth

 

[PakShaheen79]

Srinagar itself is a sanskrit word meaning "beautiful city" signfying its eternal indian connection.

history of kashmir.

Kashmir was one of the major centre of Sanskrit scholars. According to the Mahabharata, the Kambojas ruled Kashmir during the epic period with a Republican system of government from the capital city of Karna-Rajapuram-gatva-Kambojah-nirjitastava., shortened to Rajapura, which has been identified with modern Rajauri. Later, the Panchalas are stated to have established their sway. The name Peer Panjal, which is a part of modern Kashmir, is a witness to this fact. Panjal is simply a distorted form of the Sanskritic tribal term Panchala. The Muslims prefixed the word peer to it in memory of Siddha Faqir and the name thereafter is said to have changed into Peer Panjal. The Mauryan emperor Ashoka is often credited with having founded the city of Srinagar.

Kashmir was once a Buddhist seat of learning, perhaps with the Sarvāstivādan school dominating. East and Central Asian Buddhist monks are recorded as having visited the kingdom. In the late 4th century AD, the famous Kuchanese monk Kumārajīva, born to an Indian noble family, studied Dīrghāgama and Madhyāgama in Kashmir under Bandhudatta. He later becoming a prolific translator who helped take Buddhism to China. His mother Jīva is thought to have retired to Kashmir. Vimalākṣa, a Sarvāstivādan Buddhist monk, travelled from Kashmir to Kucha and there instructed Kumārajīva in the Vinayapiṭaka.

History of Kashmir - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Buddhism and Hinduism in Kashmir

The Mauryan emperor Ashoka is often credited with having founded the city of Srinagar. Kashmir was once a Buddhist seat of learning, perhaps with the Sarvāstivādan school dominating. East and Central Asian Buddhist monks are recorded as having visited the kingdom. In the late 4th century AD, the famous Kuchanese monk Kumārajīva, born to an Indian noble family, studied Dīrghāgama and Madhyāgama in Kashmir under Bandhudatta. He later became a prolific translator who helped take Buddhism to China. His mother Jīva is thought to have retired to Kashmir. Vimalākṣa, a Sarvāstivādan Buddhist monk, travelled from Kashmir to Kucha and there instructed Kumārajīva in the Vinayapiṭaka.

Adi Shankara visited the pre-existing Sarvajñapīṭha (Sharada Peeth) in Kashmir in late 8th century CE or early 9th Century CE. The Madhaviya Shankaravijayam states this temple had four doors for scholars from the four cardinal directions. The southern door (representing South India) had never been opened, indicating that no scholar from South India had entered the Sarvajna Pitha. Adi Shankara opened the southern door by defeating in debate all the scholars there in all the various scholastic disciplines such as Mimamsa, Vedanta and other branches of Hindu philosophy; he ascended the throne of Transcendent wisdom of that temple.

Abhinavagupta (approx. 950 - 1020 AD) was one of India's greatest philosophers, mystics and aestheticians. He was also considered an important musician, poet, dramatist, exeget, theologian, and logician - a polymathic personality who exercised strong influences on Indian culture.

He was born in the Valley of Kashmir in a family of scholars and mystics and studied all the schools of philosophy and art of his time under the guidance of as many as fifteen (or more) teachers and gurus. In his long life he completed over 35 works, the largest and most famous of which is Tantrāloka, an encyclopedic treatise on all the philosophical and practical aspects of Trika and Kaula (known today as Kashmir Shaivism). Another one of his very important contributions was in the field of philosophy of aesthetics with his famous Abhinavabhā***ī commentary of Nāṭyaśāstra of Bharata Muni

Kashmir - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Should I also copy paste from Wiki about UN resolution about Kashmir of 1948. When it suits you you jump back in history and when it doesn't all indians here came up with "how it is relevant today " stuff.

 

[PakShaheen79]

jana you are wrong. not the whole sub continent, onl north. in the south you guys got your ***** whipped regularly by kings like Shivaji. where i come from, there was never ever a muslim ruler. in fact if you take divided india (ie without pak) marathas had a larger area than the muslims ever had. so please stop feeling proud that muslims ruled over. bahadur shah zafars , the descendant of timur and genghis khan (probably your forefather too) was imprisoned in his last years, his sons stripped naked and shot dead and all the women in the household sold off to be prostitutes. i didnt feel proud when i read this. felt very outraged that the british were able to do this. so dont show your barbabaric tribal attitude pls

And Shivaji era was same of Aruangzeb i.e. towards end of Mughal era. What about before him? As far as what happened to Bahadur Shah Zafar and his family u can satisfy your ego with that but that was not done by Hindus. British were able to do that because of ministers like Pornia were in the midst of Muslim rulers.

 

[Iggy]

And Shivaji era was same of Aruangzeb i.e. towards end of Mughal era. What about before him? As far as what happened to Bahadur Shah Zafar and his family u can satisfy your ego with that but that was not done by Hindus. British were able to do that because of ministers like Pornia were in the midst of Muslim rulers.

Pak shaheen he meant to say entire India was not under Mughal rule nor muslim.In Kerala Tippu Sulthan,the only muslim leader who ruled some part of Malabar was defeated by Pazhashiraja ..And also there is notable general in Kerala who is a muslim and his name is Kunjali Marakkar..

Kunjali Marakkar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I dont think Tamilnadu was under Mughal or muslim rule..So the claim of Muslims ruled entire India was not valid ...

 

[Hulk]

A and B were sitting in a house and C came slapped both and captured the house. Later the house was divided into 2 and now Bclaims that he captured A good logic. So when Iraq lost to US did Pakistan and ZH claimed defeat too or you only share victories.

 

[Khajur]

Should I also copy paste from Wiki about UN resolution about Kashmir of 1948. When it suits you you jump back in history and when it doesn't all indians here came up with "how it is relevant today " stuff.

No need to bring the UN resolution about Kashmir of 1948 as we have seen many other resolution after that like simla agreement of 71,Lahore declaration etc etc .

BTW my post was in response to the assertion of Jana who claimed in her post that kashmir was never part of india.

 

[Spring Onion]

Khajur Ashoka was never a Hindu.

ehhh anyway the facts remains Muslims invaded you and ruled over you.

 

[Spring Onion]

Pak shaheen he meant to say entire India was not under Mughal rule nor muslim.In Kerala Tippu Sulthan,the only muslim leader who ruled some part of Malabar was defeated by Pazhashiraja ..And also there is notable general in Kerala who is a muslim and his name is Kunjali Marakkar..

Kunjali Marakkar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I dont think Tamilnadu was under Mughal or muslim rule..So the claim of Muslims ruled entire India was not valid ...

Even before Muslims captured many areas of sub-continent the region was not ruled by one person rather the sub-continent was not at all a united state rather many states were ruled by different people.

 

[rawraw]

Khajur Ashoka was never a Hindu.

ehhh anyway the facts remains Muslims invaded you and ruled over you.

why are you ending every post with this. seems like you are the only one that gives a damn.

 

[rawraw]

Even before Muslims captured many areas of sub-continent the region was not ruled by one person rather the sub-continent was not at all a united state rather many states were ruled by different people.

true... thats why when you keep saying.. 'you were ruled by muslims' at indians.. i can only say, hey i am indian and what you are saying is not true as far as i am concerened

 

[Iggy]

Khajur Ashoka was never a Hindu.

ehhh anyway the facts remains Muslims invaded you and ruled over you.

Jana then which religion Ashoka is from??I thought he was a hindu later embraced Budhism ..The fact is Mughals invaded north India and stayed there ..They didnt came to attack South India..So you can say they invaded parts of India and ruled

 

[Iggy]

Even before Muslims captured many areas of sub-continent the region was not ruled by one person rather the sub-continent was not at all a united state rather many states were ruled by different people.

I agree with that but even after mughals came the situation didn't change that much in South India...Only the Britishers had success in it

 

[rawraw]

Khajur Ashoka was never a Hindu.

ehhh anyway the facts remains Muslims invaded you and ruled over you.

Jana, wrong again.. really i think you are taught crap history in your country. asoka was an invincible king until the battle in kalinga where he again defeated his opponenet. then he say the waste and killing that war created and suddenly realised if all this was worth it. he then turned to peace and then followed the teaching of gautama buddha. this is human behavious and this is what hindu india is all about. we are a civilzation of humans. compare this with muslim invaders. all they ever did in those ages was kill , pillage , rape like animals and now their descndents in afghanistan are living like animals hiding in caves from american planes.

 

[jarnee]

See, its a matter of perspective. we can always say that indians ruled over pakistan. because for most part the seat of power was Delhi/Agra. So yeah, indians ruled over pakistanis. if all they want is to be ruled by muslims i think they should go and kneel down in front of the Saudi king and say that, pleae treat us as your subjects as we converted to islam

Very true very true.. perspective matters , till 2006 we said India had a Muslim president(Dr kalam) and Ppl in Pakistan would have said ..hey we still rule you persprective matters. people here would not understand what true democracy and secularism means, they are not brought up in a secular /democratic state.