Vote in Japan to change status of disputed islands threatens to raise tensions with China

[beijingwalker]

How we are cornered? what does "cornered" mean here? Japan's gonna attack China and China has nowhere to hide?

 

[Smoke]

How we are cornered? what does "cornered" mean here? Japan's gonna attack China and China has nowhere to hide?

At this moment the Indians, their media and their entire governnent is so so so desperate that if a single Japanese general farts in the direction of China, the Indians will start screaming that Japan is ready for war to teach the Chinese a lesson.

 

[lonelyman]

How can Japan "corner" China when China has just hammered India into submission, literally.

surender modi's online army continue to fight for him even himself surrendered.

 

[Rizwan Alam]

The title is prescribed by psychiatrists to depressed Indian nation. Multiple doses a day.

 

[Village life]

By India

 

[waz]

What do they plan to do with The Kuril Islands? Russia stomps all over those.

Japan should just quiet down now. It has enormous problems regarding population loss and productivity falling off the map. Best to have a quiet retirement, many nations already have.

 

[Brainsucker]

What do they plan to do with The Kuril Islands? Russia stomps all over those.

Japan should just quiet down now. It has enormous problems regarding population loss and productivity falling off the map. Best to have a quiet retirement, many nations already have.

Plus they (Japan) just got an agreement with China for economic cooperation. To change from competition to cooperation. Diaoyu / Tiaoyu-tai / Senkaku can wait. Money should come first, in a economy situation like today.

 

[Figaro]

After face-off with India, China now cornered by Japan
1 min read . Updated: 22 Jun 2020, 01:48 PM ISTIANS

• Though the Senkakus, which China calls the Diaoyus, have been administered by Japan since 1972, their legal status remained somewhat disputed until now
• Before the bill was passed by the city council, Beijing had warned Tokyo against any change in the status quo of the island chain

China calls the Diaoyus, have been administered by Japan since 1972, their legal status remained somewhat disputed until now.

Before the bill was passed by the city council, Beijing had warned Tokyo against any change in the status quo of the island chain.

In a statement issued by China's Foreign Ministry, the islands are its "inherent territories". Beijing urged Japan to "abide by the spirit of the four-principle consensus, avoid creating new incidents on the Diaoyu Islands issue, and take practical actions to maintain the stability of the East China Sea situation".

However, the city council in Japan said that the bill was necessary to "improve the efficiency of administrative procedures".

Since April, Chinese ships had been spotted by the Japanese coast guard, in the waters close to the Senakakus. The number of Chinese ships have only increased in the last few weeks with four of them sailing in the area even on the day when the bill was passed by the city council.

Japan's cabinet secretary last week reiterated that the Senkakus are under Tokyo's control and "unquestionably" their territory historically and under international law. "It is extremely serious that these activities continue. "We will respond to the Chinese side firmly and calmly," he had warned.

Vote in Japan to change status of disputed islands threatens to raise tensions with China
By Brad Lendon and Junko Ogura, CNN
Updated 0938 GMT (1738 HKT) June 22, 2020

CNN

00:22/04:00
status of an island chain claimed by both Japan and China was approved by a city council in Okinawa on Monday, generating a strong protest from Beijing, which said it had dispatched coast guard ships to the area.

The Ishigaki City Council in Japan's Okinawa prefecture approved the legislation that changes the administrative status of the uninhabited island group, known as the Senkakus in Japan and the Diaoyus in China.
The bill changes the name of the islands for administrative purposes from "Tonoshiro" to Tonoshiro Senkaku" to avoid confusion with another area of Ishigaki, Japan's NHK News reported.
The islands, 1,200 miles (1,931 kilometers) southwest of Tokyo, have been administered by Japan since 1972, but both Tokyo and Beijing say their claims to the group date back hundreds of years.

Beijing's Foreign Ministry on Monday said it would lodge a strong protest with Tokyo.
"Diaoyu island and the affiliated islands are China's inherent territory, China is resolute in safeguarding our territorial sovereignty, this so-called administrative re-designation is a serious provocation towards China's territorial sovereignty," said Zhao Lijian, a spokesperson for China's Foreign Ministry.
At the same time, the Chinese Coast Guard said a "fleet" of its ships was in the waters around the disputed islands on Monday.
China warned before Monday's vote against any change in the status quo over the islands.
"We ask Japan to abide by the spirit of the four-principle consensus, avoid creating new incidents on the Diaoyu Islands issue, and take practical actions to maintain the stability of the East China Sea situation," a statement from the Chinese Foreign Ministry on Friday said.
One of those four principles was that Japan acknowledge that sovereignty over the islands was in dispute.

A Japanese military plane flies over the Senakuku/Diaoyu islands in this file photo.
But the bill passed Monday in Ishigaki brushed off any concerns of how the move might be perceived in Beijing.
"The approval of this case did not take into consideration the influence of other countries, but was considered to improve the efficiency of administrative procedures," the council said.
Earlier, Japan's Asahi Shimbun newspaper reported the bill "asserts the islands are part of Japanese territory."
It's the kind of language that rankles in Beijing.
A story in China's state-run Global Times this month also warned of the consequences of any changes to the status of the islands.
"Changing the administrative designation at this time can only make the dispute more complicated and bring more risks of a crisis," Li Haidong, a professor at the Institute of International Relations of the China Foreign Affairs University, told the Global Times.
Fears of a possible confrontation were heightened last week with the announcement from the Japanese coast guard that Chinese government ships had been spotted in the waters close to Senakaku/Diaoyu Islands every day since mid-April, setting a new record for the number of consecutive days.
By Monday, those sightings had reached 70 days in a row, with Japan's coast guard saying four Chinese ships were in the area as the vote was taking place in Okinawa.
In response to the increased Chinese presence, Yoshihide Suga, Japan's chief cabinet secretary, reasserted Tokyo's resolve at a news conference last Wednesday.
"The Senkaku Islands are under our control and are unquestionably our territory historically and under international law. It is extremely serious that these activities continue. We will respond to the Chinese side firmly and calmly," Suga said.

This aerial shot taken on September 15, 2010 shows the disputed islands known as Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China in the East China Sea.
[paste:font size="4"]Violent protests in China
Prior to Monday's vote, the most recent "crisis" over the islands occurred in 2012.
That year, Japan nationalized the then-privately owned islands to ward off a planned sale to Tokyo's then-governor, a hardline nationalist who was reportedly hoping to develop the islands.
The plan sparked massive and highly unusual street protests across China, amid a groundswell of nationalist sentiment.
Demonstrations turned violent as protesters hurled debris at the Japanese Embassy in Beijing, ransacked Japanese stores and restaurants and overturned Japanese cars.
In a stark illustration of how the islands are seared into the Chinese consciousness, one Chinese man was beaten into a coma by his fellow countrymen simply because he was driving a Toyota Corolla.
What complicates any dispute over the islands, if it were ever to escalate to the point of military confrontation, is that the United States is obligated to defend them as part of Japanese territory under a mutual defense pact with Tokyo.
William Choong, a senior fellow at the ISEAS-Yusof Ishak Institute in Singapore, recently warned that the Senkakus/Diaoyu may be more of a powderkeg than other contested regions of East Asia.
"Compared to other flashpoints in the region -- the South China Sea, Taiwan, and North Korea's weapons programs -- the East China Sea combines a unique and combustible mix of history, honor and territory," Choong wrote this month on The Interpreter, the blog of the Lowy Institute in Australia.
"The question is not whether China, now the target of a full-court press by America, would want to challenge Japan over the islands. The question is when, and how? This is what keeps Japanese (and American) policymakers awake at night," Choong wrote.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/21/asia/china-japan-island-dispute-intl-hnk-scli/index.html

How is this cornering China? This is changing the name of one small island in the Pacific Ocean ...

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

"Cornered"? Which part?

Japan/US don't even dare shoot down North Korean ballistic missiles that were fired over Japan.

 

[Suika]

What do they plan to do with The Kuril Islands? Russia stomps all over those.

Japan should just quiet down now. It has enormous problems regarding population loss and productivity falling off the map. Best to have a quiet retirement, many nations already have.

Japan doesn't have to retire now. China is willing to wait.

For eternity even.

The title is prescribed by psychiatrists to depressed Indian nation. Multiple doses a day.

I think the Pakistani lash out is equivelent to desperation they claim India to be having.

How we are cornered? what does "cornered" mean here? Japan's gonna attack China and China has nowhere to hide?

Cornered is certainly a great exaggeration.

But just like in 2012, the PRC will learn to get used to new Senkaku situation change. As it should. The PRC is already by the largest in the Asia Pacific. The greater challenge for the PRC is getting neighbor trust, not trying to accumulate more territory.

Last time Japan "nationalize" the island, they literally lost actual control of them.

Nope, still Japanese. Chinese Coast Guard have been sailing around it, but not putting flags or stones with "China territory" inscribed on it

The Japanese don't have the military power to challenge China.
But we can understand the pain through which OP is going right now

Depends on what scenerio. Japan certainly does not have the power to invade the PRC. But naval battle is a different case.

"Cornered"? Which part?

Japan/US don't even dare shoot down North Korean ballistic missiles that were fired over Japan.

Actual war was a last resort. But diplomacy in getting sanctions on the DPRK in late 2017 at the UNSC was successful. The sanctions probably have become about 50% weak by now by at the same time, DPRK has not demonstrated any medium or long range BM. All BMs launched by DPRK since the 2017 sanctions have been short range that don't have the range to reach any part of Japan.

So a costly war was averted. DPRK may try again sometime later, but well, we'll see how it goes at that time.

How is this cornering China? This is changing the name of one small island in the Pacific Ocean ...

Just a name change got a big response from tbe PRC. So the PRC feels obligated to do something towards the impossible goal of taking the Senkaku islands forcefully.

 

[52051]

Japan doesn't have to retire now.
Depends on what scenerio. Japan certainly does not have the power to invade the PRC. But naval battle is a different case.

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By what?

Don't be delusional, Japan certainly has neither a navy force nor an airforce to fight just China's navy/airforce either.I don't even needs to bring out AShBMs , since they are way overkill for Japan's toy navy, they are mostly for US navy.

Just a name change got a big response from tbe PRC. So the PRC feels obligated to do
something towards the impossible goal of taking the Senkaku islands forcefully.

How is that goal impossible? You could not hide behind America forever.

For instance, when Xi decide to take back Taiwan, if the Japan dare to let the US force from Japan's base to "save" Taiwan, then I bet, this island will belong to PRC at minimal, if not any other Japan's terriority.
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[CAPRICORN-88]

What if China passed a similar bill?
What would Western, USA and India News Media say?
Let not forget Japan confessed that Daiyutai never had a Nipponese name until after 1895, the milestone in Daiyutai acknowledged all of this, it was part of all the islands that was seized by the unequal Sekimonoseki Treaty in 1895 that was forced on China.
Cairo Agreement has already deal with this.
So Abe is just executing his father imperialists and hegemonic dream.

 

[Suika]

By what?

Don't be delusional, Japan certainly has neither a navy force nor an airforce to fight just China's navy/airforce either.I don't even needs to bring out AShBMs , since they are way overkill for Japan's toy navy, they are mostly for US navy.

How is that goal impossible? You could not hide behind America forever.

For instance, when Xi decide to take back Taiwan, if the Japan dare to let the US force from Japan's base to "save" Taiwan, then I bet, this island will belong to PRC at minimal, if not any other Japan's terriority.
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Ah the quality and informative posts like yours that earn the respect and support of Pakistani's on PDF to troll on Japan and Taiwan

Taiwan don't want to be part of PRC? TOO BADZ, TAIWAN IZ PARTS OF PRC!

Taiwan not part of long history of ancient China? TOO BADZ! TAIWAN STILL AND ALWAYZ PARTS OF CHINA!!

Majority of Taiwanese identify themselves as Taiwanese, not Chinese? TOO BADS! TAIWAN BELONGZ TO ME BROTHA PRC! YOU SEPARATISTS GO DIE IN HOLE!!!

Taiwan find history when part of Japan better than when under Qing dynasty? TOO BADZ! YOU BRAINWASHED TAIWANESE NEED BE EXTERMINATED!!!!

Taiwan's favorite country has been Japan in surveys with China scooping up very few votes? TOO BADZ! YOU TAIWAN ARE NOT TAIWAN!! YOU ARE PRC!!!

 

[52051]

The tittle should change to: China is believed to be encircled by a bunch of earthworms.

Ah the quality and informative posts like yours that earn the respect and support of Pakistani's on PDF to troll on Japan and Taiwan

Taiwan don't want to be part of PRC? TOO BADZ, TAIWAN IZ PARTS OF PRC!

Taiwan not part of long history of ancient China? TOO BADZ! TAIWAN STILL AND ALWAYZ PARTS OF CHINA!!

Majority of Taiwanese identify themselves as Taiwanese, not Chinese? TOO BADS! TAIWAN BELONGZ TO ME BROTHA PRC! YOU SEPARATISTS GO DIE IN HOLE!!!

Taiwan find history when part of Japan better than when under Qing dynasty? TOO BADZ! YOU BRAINWASHED TAIWANESE NEED BE EXTERMINATED!!!!

Taiwan's favorite country has been Japan in surveys with China scooping up very few votes? TOO BADZ! YOU TAIWAN ARE NOT TAIWAN!! YOU ARE PRC!!!

I merely state the FACT that there is no way that Japanese navy/airforce could match PLA navy/airforce, and we don't even need to bring PLA's massively overkilling super-weapons that aiming at flatten the US navy to this rather one-sided match-up.

As for Taiwan, it is Xi's open secret that he want to take back Taiwan in the timeframe of 202X, so the scenario I suggested is quite likely anyway.

 

[Zsari]

Nope, still Japanese. Chinese Coast Guard have been sailing around it, but not putting flags or stones with "China territory" inscribed on it

Sure Japan can still make the same claim just as China did. But while China did not challenge Japanese patrol before, the situation has turned 180 degree after the decision to "nationalize" the island that it can no longer exercise actual control over the area. It is pretty similar in Ladakh where "unionization" has made matter worse for the Indians.