Vote in Japan to change status of disputed islands threatens to raise tensions with China

[Suika]

The tittle should change to: China is believed to be encircled by a bunch of earthworms.


I merely state the FACT that there is no way that Japanese navy/airforce could match PLA navy/airforce, and we don't even need to bring PLA's massively overkilling super-weapons that aiming at flatten the US navy to this rather one-sided match-up.

As for Taiwan, it is Xi's open secret that he want to take back Taiwan in the timeframe of 202X, so the scenario I suggested is quite likely anyway.

You're free to believe what you want with military comparison. How often has he pro-CCP posters trolled on other points? No reason to not assume they'll just troll on military aspect.

But to the side of that is also the belief about might makes right. Dispite the many points that show how Taiwan is not PRC, the CCP continues a policy stating that it is. That thinkng means that the PRC is in no right in mind to lament about "century of humiliation". Of course, before that, Qing was doing its own expansionism anyway in all honesty.

But if you must run down a military comparision, the situation would be PRC's attempt to using military force to occupy and conque Taiwan. Do you really think the PRC can successfully maintain an encirclement on the island? Do you really think the PRC is able to establish air superiority over Taiwan? Based on current PRC military procurement, when do you think that ability will be reached?

Sure Japan can still make the same claim just as China did. But while China did not challenge Japanese patrol before, the situation has turned 180 degree after the decision to "nationalize" the island that it can no longer exercise actual control over the area. It is pretty similar in Ladakh where "unionization" has made matter worse for the Indians.

There was no duspute on the Senkaku islands throughout the 1950s and 1960s. PRC put thst claim in early 1970s. So it was right for Japan to stand up fir itself. If relations get worse because of it, it is on the fault of the PRC.

 

[52051]

You're free to believe what you want with military comparison. How often has he pro-CCP posters trolled on other points? No reason to not assume they'll just troll on military aspect.

But to the side of that is also the belief about might makes right. Dispite the many points that show how Taiwan is not PRC, the CCP continues a policy stating that it is. That thinkng means that the PRC is in no right in mind to lament about "century of humiliation". Of course, before that, Qing was doing its own expansionism anyway in all honesty.

I hope you understand the meaning of "century of humiliation" concept, it is not a call for justice, it is a call for revenage.

Justice and revenges are very different concept I hope you could understand them well, it may take time since obviously you are not very bright.

But if you must run down a military comparision, the situation would be PRC's attempt to using military force to occupy and conque Taiwan. Do you really think the PRC can successfully maintain an encirclement on the island? Do you really think the PRC is able to establish air superiority over Taiwan? Based on current PRC military procurement, when do you think that ability will be reached?

I really think so, don't you?

Taiwain is only 200 miles away from mainland China, and China has lots ships to transfer troops, as for the Taiwan's airforce and navy, well, they are even weaker than that of the Japanese one, so in time of war, PLA can take them out pretty soon,.

And do you even understand the morales of Taiwanese against PLA? If you can learn their thoughts from their social-network. Actually they only count on the America's resuce, they have no will to fight the PLA by themselves.

So yes, I believe China can take out Taiwan in 202X, with or without the direct involvement of US, actually the US's own war simulation also suggest that, check my other posts for reference.

 

[Zsari]

There was no duspute on the Senkaku islands throughout the 1950s and 1960s. PRC put thst claim in early 1970s. So it was right for Japan to stand up fir itself. If relations get worse because of it, it is on the fault of the PRC.

1970 was when US turned over Ryukyu to Japan and attached Diaoyu island to the turnover, creating the dispute in the first place. The change in status quo by the Japanese nationalization of the island and now the renaming of the island is what heightened animosity between the two nations. For every action, there will be an stronger reaction from China which will only set Japan back further.

 

[Suika]

1970 was when US turned over Ryukyu to Japan and attached Diaoyu island to the turnover, creating the dispute in the first place. The change in status quo by the Japanese nationalization of the island and now the renaming of the island is what heightened animosity between the two nations. For every action, there will be an stronger reaction from China which will only set Japan back further.

The PRC maintained the claim on Taiwan since even the late 1940s and cursed the US for defending Taiwan at sea. And PRC soldiers were fighting US soldiers on the peninsula. So just because Okinawa was US territory in those years would have been no reason for the CCP to not have a claim on those islands from the beginning. It was a new flash point that the PRC created. Japan is only standing up to itself.

I hope you understand the meaning of "century of humiliation" concept, it is not a call for justice, it is a call for revenage.

Justice and revenges are very different concept I hope you could understand them well, it may take time since obviously you are not very bright.



I really think so, don't you?

Taiwain is only 200 miles away from mainland China, and China has lots ships to transfer troops, as for the Taiwan's airforce and navy, well, they are even weaker than that of the Japanese one, so in time of war, PLA can take them out pretty soon,.

And do you even understand the morales of Taiwanese against PLA? If you can learn their thoughts from their social-network. Actually they only count on the America's resuce, they have no will to fight the PLA by themselves.

So yes, I believe China can take out Taiwan in 202X, with or without the direct involvement of US, actually the US's own war simulation also suggest that, check my other posts for reference.

Revenge? Well there we are then. So much for "peaceful rise"

You answred the military aspect as if Japan is just going to stand by and watch. If the PRC really wants to be sure that it can control the sea around Taiwan and achieve superiority over Taiwan, it should assume Japanese involvement. US involvement too actually. But lets factor out the US for the moment for the sake of intetesting discussion. Air superority vs both Taiwanese and Japanese air defense? PRC control water around Taiwan against JMSDF?

 

[Zsari]

The PRC maintained the claim on Taiwan since even the late 1940s and cursed the US for defending Taiwan at sea. And PRC soldiers were fighting US soldiers on the peninsula. So just because Okinawa was US territory in those years would have been no reason for the CCP to not have a claim on those islands from the beginning. It was a new flash point that the PRC created. Japan is only standing up to itself.

Ryukyu was under international trusteeship, and the US only has administrative rights to them under that trusteeship. So no, they were never US territory to begin with. The Diaoyu island are associated islands of Taiwan historically, so it came as a surprise to both PRC & ROC that they were included in the turnover by the US. As the claim is maintained by not only PRC, to say that it is PRC who created the flash point is simply false.

 

[Rizwan Alam]

I think the Pakistani lash out is equivelent to desperation they claim India to be having.
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We are simply having the day and I didn't claim the depression (not desperation), international media says so.

 

[52051]

You answred the military aspect as if Japan is just going to stand by and watch. If the PRC really wants to be sure that it can control the sea around Taiwan and achieve superiority over Taiwan, it should assume Japanese involvement. US involvement too actually. But lets factor out the US for the moment for the sake of intetesting discussion. Air superority vs both Taiwanese and Japanese air defense? PRC control water around Taiwan against JMSDF?

Japanese airforce has been dominated by many recent encounter with PLAAF and PLAN, so I don't believe they stand a chance to China, forget about that.

Actually, according to your own American intelligence, they don't believe the Americans can win a war against China in Asia-Pacific.

So you need to update your knowledge on military, you obviously lack that.

As for peaceful rise, it is just a slogan, Americans have lots of slogans as well, do you believe them?

 

[ADIL SHERDIL]

It was not face off
It was shameful defeat [emoji23]

Bro their is no Shame in these Shameless people. They need to portray to their people that they are supa power 2020. wait few months a new Indian movie will be made where the hero will kill 4000 Chinese soldiers and in doing so will find the cure of Covid 19, Aids and other life threatening diseases

 

[Suika]

Ryukyu was under international trusteeship, and the US only has administrative rights to them under that trusteeship. So no, they were never US territory to begin with. The Diaoyu island are associated islands of Taiwan historically, so it came as a surprise to both PRC & ROC that they were included in the turnover by the US. As the claim is maintained by not only PRC, to say that it is PRC who created the flash point is simply false.

It doesn't matter so much what it was called. "trusteeship" or whatever, it as administered by the US. And both the US and Japan made peaceful agreement about transfer of much of the territory. But that is irrelevent to PRC's position regarding the Senkaku islands. The fact remains that the PRC had no claim on them until the 1970s. If the PRC and ROC still felt that the islands belonged to "China" then it wouldn't matter if it was administered by the US, by Japan, or by a new Ryukyu country, they would have the claim from the start of the post WW2 era. So the 1970s claim has no historical basis. It's simply a power move claim.

Japanese airforce has been dominated by many recent encounter with PLAAF and PLAN, so I don't believe they stand a chance to China, forget about that.

Actually, according to your own American intelligence, they don't believe the Americans can win a war against China in Asia-Pacific.

So you need to update your knowledge on military, you obviously lack that.

As for peaceful rise, it is just a slogan, Americans have lots of slogans as well, do you believe them?

Dominated in what way? All that happens is PRC aircraft enter Japan's ADIZ over international space and Japan scrambles fighters to meet them. If you don't have actual substance and details, then you're just going into baseless troll mode.

Your intelligence bit is intetesting. A citation would help that bold statement.

 

[52051]

Dominated in what way? All that happens is PRC aircraft enter Japan's ADIZ over international space and Japan scrambles fighters to meet them. If you don't have actual substance and details, then you're just going into baseless troll mode.

Your intelligence bit is intetesting. A citation would help that bold statement.

There are many recent events, check my post history, including one forced Japan airforce to throw infra-countermeasure, and the most embrassing one being the japan and US airforce has been fooled by PLA electronic warfare teams, believing a large PLA military aircraft group enter Japan airspace such that the Japanese and US stationed in Japan throw out everything they got, including stone-age F-4 and carrier-based F/A-18 to there, only to find out that there is only a very small team of PLA aircraft there.

Just about 10-15 years ago, in Taiwan strait, the US electronic warfare team do the kind of trick on PLA, but you can see how the tide has changed.

That's why, according to the US military force stationed in Pacific, the PLA electronic warfare nowadays is fearful.

Btw, even exported version of Chinese radar now can identify and warning US F-22 when it try to approaching Venezuela airspace.

Thats why even the US itself believed they will lost a war with China in Asia-Pacific region, no matter what kind of setup.

So stop this nonsense that as if japan and Taiwan's little airforce/navy play any role here, you are bring a knife to a machine-gun fight.

As for baseless troll mode, well, believing Japan navy/airforce can defeat PLA and/or Japan can forever hold the terriority they get now is not just baseless troll mode, but a very baseless, clueless and delusional troll as well.

 

[Suika]

There are many recent events, check my post history, including one forced Japan airforce to throw infra-countermeasure, and the most embrassing one being the japan and US airforce has been fooled by PLA electronic warfare teams, believing a large PLA military aircraft group enter Japan airspace such that the Japanese and US stationed in Japan throw out everything they got, including stone-age F-4 and carrier-based F/A-18 to there, only to find out that there is only a very small team of PLA aircraft there.

Just about 10-15 years ago, in Taiwan strait, the US electronic warfare team do the kind of trick on PLA, but you can see how the tide has changed.

That's why, according to the US military force stationed in Pacific, the PLA electronic warfare nowadays is fearful.

Btw, even exported version of Chinese radar now can identify and warning US F-22 when it try to approaching Venezuela airspace.

Thats why even the US itself believed they will lost a war with China in Asia-Pacific region, no matter what kind of setup.

So stop this nonsense that as if japan and Taiwan's little airforce/navy play any role here, you are bring a knife to a machine-gun fight.

You have to link it here. I'm not going to look for something that does not exist.

You talk about JASDF F-4s. But how could F-4s be involved if the only air squadron still equipped with F-4s is based out of where Tokyo is?

No link? No truth.

 

[52051]

You have to link it here. I'm not going to look for something that does not exist.

You talk about JASDF F-4s. But how could F-4s be involved if the only air squadron still equipped with F-4s is based out of where Tokyo is?

No link? No truth.

All the stuff I provided has link in my post history you can find, check them, I don't want to waste time to re-post all of them.

As for you, since no link no truth, then you belief about how Japan/Taiwan can defeat PLA mean no truth, good to know you admit you are just a clueless joke with no link and no source.

 

[Suika]

All the stuff I provided has link in my post history you can find, check them, I don't want to waste time to re-post all of them.

As for you, since no link no truth, then you belief about how Japan/Taiwan can defeat PLA mean no truth, good to know you admit you are just a clueless joke with no link and no source.

Well it is very curious about your mentioning of F-4s being "thrown in with everything else" when F-4s are stationed at Hyakuri Air Base. One can scroll down to tje F-4 part and find only Hyakuri (百里) Air base listed for were they are deployed.
https://www.mod.go.jp/asdf/adc/syuyousoubihin/butaisyoukai-.html
And about location of the base, its in Ibaraki Prefecture, which is just north east of Tokyo.
https://www.mod.go.jp/asdf/hyakuri/access.html

How do F-4s get tricked into getting thrown in with a bunch of other aircraft?

The answer is that you made it up. Troll be troll. Why contrubute good information on troll forums?

To say that Taiwan/Japan can defeat PLAAF is a conclusion based on correct information. The conclusion itself cannot be sourced. But the contents that it gets support from need sources for varification. Everything I say can ultimately be linked. Thus the conclusion stands.

You're story about F-4s being thrown is made up nonsense to sound tough. But fake.

Yawn.

 

[Zsari]

It doesn't matter so much what it was called. "trusteeship" or whatever, it as administered by the US. And both the US and Japan made peaceful agreement about transfer of much of the territory. But that is irrelevent to PRC's position regarding the Senkaku islands. The fact remains that the PRC had no claim on them until the 1970s. If the PRC and ROC still felt that the islands belonged to "China" then it wouldn't matter if it was administered by the US, by Japan, or by a new Ryukyu country, they would have the claim from the start of the post WW2 era. So the 1970s claim has no historical basis. It's simply a power move claim.

Sovereignty and administration are very different, and that's why trusteeship is important. Just ask East Timor. And Diaoyu islands are uninhabited rocks. Did the US sent coast guard patrolling them and driving the Chinese fisherman away? Did the US erect any marker on the island? There was no exercise of administration over the islands by the US, as such it is unknown to China. These are historically associated island of Taiwan, as such a claim to Taiwan would include them as well. There no so specific claim to the other associated islands such as the Pengjia & Mianhua island off of Taiwan as well, but sovereignty over these are a given.

 

[52051]

Well it is very curious about your mentioning of F-4s being "thrown in with everything else" when F-4s are stationed at Hyakuri Air Base. One can scroll down to tje F-4 part and find only Hyakuri (百里) Air base listed for were they are deployed.
https://www.mod.go.jp/asdf/adc/syuyousoubihin/butaisyoukai-.html
And about location of the base, its in Ibaraki Prefecture, which is just north east of Tokyo.
https://www.mod.go.jp/asdf/hyakuri/access.html

How do F-4s get tricked into getting thrown in with a bunch of other aircraft?

The answer is that you made it up. Troll be troll. Why contrubute good information on troll forums?

Well, it seems that you don't know F-4 has a range of 2700 km, the lack of military knowledge is astonishing in you.

To say that Taiwan/Japan can defeat PLAAF is a conclusion based on correct information. The conclusion itself cannot be sourced. But the contents that it gets support from need sources for varification. Everything I say can ultimately be linked. Thus the conclusion stands.

You're story about F-4s being thrown is made up nonsense to sound tough. But fake.

Yawn.​

And to say your conclusion is a joke itself is a conclusion, and it has source and studies to back them up, even your own intelligence's war simulation conclude that the American would lose any war to China in Asia Pacific, probably saving a nuclear one, let along Japan and/or Taiwan.

So stop wasting my time by your clueless and amateurish conclusions OK? the US DoD's expert think the US will lose to China in any war in Asia-Pacific region, let along Japan or Taiwan (I bet in their simulation/studies, they have already add the Japan/Taiwian's force into their equation).

So its laughable to think Taiwan/Japan along can take on China, let along defeat China, you are bring a knife to a machine-gun fight, my poor boy. ​