Vikramditya & the IAC Vikrant Threat To Pakistan Waters

[Basel]

JL 2 is a bit away from being operationalized. We will have K4 and K5 by than. They are much potent weapon compare to any JL missile in 6000 KMS of Range.

PN version will not carry JL-2 initially and it not the need to as US may not like it but they may keep it or JL-1 for back up for severe crisis or situation, PN is more interested in long range CMs and Qing can cary at least 3 JL-2s OR 12 CK-10s with other weapons which includes SAMs too.

As per JL-1s range of 6000kms its is more than enough for India if PN ever had it.

 

[HariPrasad]

PN version will not carry JL-2 initially and it not the need to as US may not like it but they may keep it or JL-1 for back up for severe crisis or situation, PN is more interested in long range CMs and Qing can cary at least 3 JL-2s OR 12 CK-10s with other weapons which includes SAMs too.

As per JL-1s range of 6000kms its is more than enough for India if PN ever had it.

The issue here is why PN wants it against India. India is not situated thousands of KM away from Pakistan. Pakistan has land based missiles to hit India. Even though PN gets it, It is hardly going to make any difference to India in its threat profile Like test of A4, A5 has hardly make any difference in Pakistan's threat profile.

 

[Penguin]

@Penguin on the AAR front. The IAF will be getting 12 (6+6) A330 MRTTs by ~2017/18 so by 2020-22 should have a fleet of around 18 AARs- still not enough granted. But for sure the IAF will be adding more such assets in the coming years- it has $150 billion USD to be spent over the next 10-15 year burning a hole in its pocket after all.

Additionally the IN is looking to add their own AAR fleet both shore and carried based. They will most likely be getting their own small fleet of A330 MRTTs by 2020.

The Il-78 and Airbus 330 MRTT were competing for a global tender floated in 2006 by the Indian defence ministry for six refuellers to extend the operating radius of Indian fighter jets. In May 2009, India finally chose the Airbus A330 MRTT over the Il-78. However in January 2010, the government cancelled the order citing high cost as the reason, reportedly against the wishes of the Air Force.

After rebidding, India selected Airbus as its "preferred vendor" in November 2012. In January 2013, it was reported that India had again selected Airbus' A330MRTT as "preferred bid"

Airbus A330 MRTT - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Airbus has been selected as the preferred vendor over Russia’s Ilyushin to supply six aerial tankers for the Indian Air Force ...
The Indian Air Force is using six Il-78 midair refuelers bought from Uzbekistan and plans to buy 12 additional tankers, which includes the six from Airbus...
Defence Ministry sources said it is not yet decided if a fresh tender will be opened to buy the remaining six or if a repeat order will be given to the winner to the current competition.

Airbus Wins India’s Tanker Rebid | Defense News | defensenews.com

So, there are 6 Il-78. There is an intent to buy 12 additional tankers. Of those, 6 are sure to be A330MRTT. It remains to be seen what the other 6 will be.

Since Mig29K can do buddy-refueling using the same UPAZ-1A/M pod used on the standard IL-78, you might see the IL-78 transferred to Navy if Air Force gets sufficient additional A330MRTT. Then again, IIRC the IAF IL-78 are fitted with Isreali fuel transfer systems, and this may or may not mean non-standard pods (not sure. see: TRISHUL: IL-78MKI-90 Detailed).

I would think any MRTTs would also be used in other roles, which could impose on the number available for tanker duties at any given time.

 

[Donatello]

Actually all Pakistani Surface ships are of little use against India. MKI can release a Brahmos 300 KM away and ship will sink in 5 minutes. hypersonic brahmos are coming in next 4 years so as LRCM. I once again say that Except France made subs, No naval vessel posses any threat to IN. In case war breaks out, you will find this PN ships finding safe place to protect themselves.




JL 2 is a bit away from being operationalized. We will have K4 and K5 by than. They are much potent weapon compare to any JL missile in 6000 KMS of Range.

Hello there,

Since Pakistan has access to supersonic anti-ship missiles, Indian ships won't be able to come near Pakistan's coast.

 

[Janmejay]

Hello there,

Since Pakistan has access to supersonic anti-ship missiles, Indian ships won't be able to come near Pakistan's coast.

And the range and name of those anti-ship cruise missiles are?
Our aircraft carrier does not need to come near pakistan's coastline,it will remain atleast 500 km away from pak's coastline.....

 

[Penguin]

Ok guys, you've had your fun. Done with the pissing contests. Meaningfull discussion of substantive naval topics only please.

 

[Basel]

hats the point i was trying to make bro ... well IN is gearing up for the chinese might and doing it since 1962 and thats pricielli why chinese could not gather courage as they know this time it will be tto messy and way too much gorry than they can ever take
and dont worry for china to come into indian ocean they need first to cross the mallackka straits and guess what we have owr unsinkable carrier there ... aka ... andaman and nicobar islands which is in process of getting ready to give chines armada a welcome they will never forget

You are right but what you have forgotten that Chinese are preparing to face US in future and if they will be able to take care of them then no body else will be able to handle them. They are set be super power in class of US / ex USSR and India will not going to be able to do that as they are now under influence of US and its allies and they don't let anybody go above them.

 

[HariPrasad]

Hello there,

Since Pakistan has access to supersonic anti-ship missiles, Indian ships won't be able to come near Pakistan's coast.

Most of Indian ships are Stealth and hence invisible. Indian ships have very robust electronic warfare system and anti missile system. Pakistani anti ship capability is shabby.

How ever you are right that indian ships won't come closer as they do not need to come closer. They can give effect to their mission from a fair degree of distance.

 

[Penguin]

Most of Indian ships are Stealth and hence invisible. Indian ships have very robust electronic warfare system and anti missile system. Pakistani anti ship capability is shabby.

How ever you are right that indian ships won't come closer as they do not need to come closer. They can give effect to their mission from a fair degree of distance.

Fatal misconception...

1. Most IN ships are NOT stealth (Of the main surface combattants, 5x Rasjput/Kashin II, 3x P15, 3x P16, 3x P16A, 4x P25, 4x P25A do not incorporate stealth features in their design. 3+3 Talwar class includes some, limited stealth feature. The only navy ships designed specifically with stealth in mind are P17 and P15A and P28). P15A: 1 about to be commissioned, P17: 3 commissioned, P28: 1 about to be commissioned). Current carriers and amphibious ships are all non-stealth designs. Of the coast guard, only 2 OPVs currently have steath features
2. The fact that some ships have stealth features does not make them invisible, only less visible and then only in some respects.

Stealth technology also termed LO technology (low observable technology) is a sub-discipline of military tactics and passive electronic countermeasures,which cover a range of techniques used with personnel, aircraft, ships, submarines, missile and satillites to make them less visible (ideally invisible) to radar , infrared, sonar and other detection methods . It corresponds to camounflage for these parts of the electromagnetic spectrum.

Stealth technology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hello there,

Since Pakistan has access to supersonic anti-ship missiles, Indian ships won't be able to come near Pakistan's coast.

Equally fatal overestimation of the missile capability.

 

[Donatello]

Equally fatal overestimation of the missile capability.

That's what i exactly wanted to convey. Just because it is Indian ships doesn't make them super dooper.

Such misconceptions are common here from Indian trolls.

If it's Chinese or Pakistani, it must be bad.

If it's Indian it must be the best.

LOL

 

[indiatester]

That's what i exactly wanted to convey. Just because it is Indian ships doesn't make them super dooper.

Such misconceptions are common here from Indian trolls.

If it's Chinese or Pakistani, it must be bad.

If it's Indian it must be the best.

LOL

The quality of our trolling is better though
Insert sarcasm tags around please.

 

[khail007]

551 posts, any Indian keyboard admiral? Who can send Vikramditya & IAC Vikrant to Pakistani waters, except on a goodwill visit to Karachi or Gawadar (which I like to see) ... men, please grow-up and show some maturity.

 

[BigDaddyWatch]

As for India's aircraft carriers vs the PAF. The main advantage for the PAF is fixed wing AEW. Which the Indian carriers don't have. It means that the PAF planes can spot and track the Indian carrier based planes long before they know what is going on. The INS Viraat and its handful of subsonic Sea Harriers can be easily disposed of with JF-17 Thunders armed with PL-12 or PL-10 missile's. The INS Viraat these days goes out to sea with only 5 Sea Harriers and during war time that could increase to 10. And since the Sea Harriers can't fly far from the INS Viraat it means that the INS Viraat is near and that means ka boom time for the INS Viraat. The INS Vikramaditya with its MiG-29K Fulcrum-D's will be a much harder nut to crack. But the principle is the same.

Pakistan can neutralize or at least severely decrease the threat from India's aircraft carriers by having AEW planes like the ZDK-03 in its naval arsenal. The helicopter based AEW of the Indian carriers are far less effective and is a handicap for the carriers. Two AEW planes to deal with the 2 carrier based air fleet is enough.

And of course the new submarines will help too.

 

[Last Samuri]

Viraat iac is to be retired in three years along with the sea harriers.

The thread starter actually showed you the indengious new Indian carrier being launched will join the vikramditya it'd called vikrant and will carry 24 mig29k fighters.

The mig29k can tackle anything in pak air force even f16/52....

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Actually all Pakistani Surface ships are of little use against India. MKI can release a Brahmos 300 KM away and ship will sink in 5 minutes. hypersonic brahmos are coming in next 4 years so as LRCM. I once again say that Except France made subs, No naval vessel posses any threat to IN. In case war breaks out, you will find this PN ships finding safe place to protect themselves.




JL 2 is a bit away from being operationalized. We will have K4 and K5 by than. They are much potent weapon compare to any JL missile in 6000 KMS of Range.

You must be kidding.

China has tested JL-2 for more than decade, while your K4 and K5 are still on the paper.

BTW, if India does reach the JL-1 level by the 2020s, then it will be a tremendous achievement for you guys, then the next step is to test a three stages solid-fuel & 2 meters diameter SLBM like JL-2, and it should be ready by around the 2030s.

Don't ever think about flying when you can't even walk properly.