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Vietnam's Kilo-class submarines a serious threat to China

Thanks for sharing.

However for contemporary warfare i.e. in 2015+, please study WW-1 and WW-2.

Please study and share the role of Vietnamese army in these wars.

Thank you.


p.s. As I said earlier, modern warfare started in 1805. War history before 1805 cannot be used as a model anymore.
during the WWI, about 100,000 vietnamese servicemen serving in the french army and other french civil services. here arriving at Saint-Raphaël, France. about 30,000 were killed in battles against the German Army, especially in the Battle of the Somme 1916. terrible bloodshed. not only for our people, but for all parties.
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during the WWI, about 100,000 vietnamese servicemen serving in the french army and other french civil services. here arriving at Saint-Raphaël, France. about 30,000 were killed in battles against the German Army, especially in the Battle of the Somme 1916. terrible bloodshed. not only for our people, but for all parties.
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Japanese occupation of Vietnam


I meant to ask more of role of Vietnamese army within Vietnam during WW2.
 
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Japanese occupation of Vietnam


I meant to ask more of role of Vietnamese army within Vietnam during WW2.
WWI and WWII, Vietnam under France administrative same as Laos and Cambodia which called indo China. Vietnam devided in 3 regions; South was called CoChinChina territory of France which the Nguyen ceded to France. Central was called An Nam and North was Tonkin which was protectorate. The Viet Minh was only rebels, underground forcd and evolve over time became chdc Vietnam with the help of Soviet and China (although China helped for it political move, to negotiate with U.S thus led to Sino Vietnam war 1979. ) Japan was short live, it came to replace the France and intention to revive Nguyen Monarchy similar to that of Japan, but eventually Japan lost the war to U.S, the Vietminh take this opportu ity to prevent France to come back with victory over battle of Dien Bien Phu. Clear?
 
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Sexy, buddy, She's just so damn sexy!! Oh yea ...baby! This makes Vietnam unchallenged in the Mekong region in regards to sub power. :-)

The strongest navy in the Mekong region is the PLAN, just as the strongest navy in the Indian Ocean and Mediterreanean is not the Indian or French navies, but the US Navy.
 
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To counter China, Vietnam need to extend their expenditure on national defence to about 50 billion dollars level to become a big power like the Israel, of course it would take many years and money, and it would be a huge burden.
Nowadays the foreign military assistance of US is about 10 billion dollars, and the most share (about one fourth of the money) is distributed to Israel. Even if Vietnam could get some share, it would be far not enough.As a ally of US, even Philippine can get only about 30 million dollars, just a peanut.:rofl:
But even for Israel in nowadays to counter the South China Sea Fleet associated with Guangzhou Military Region is also a impossible mission.:disagree:
Interestingly, even for US it must be thought over and over how to counter the PLA in this region. But we can see Japanese are jumping up and down to want to interfere in the South China Sea issue.不自量力
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If Japan or Vietnam lay in the Europe(for example next to Brits:rofl:), it would be a very big country. But unfortunately they lie in Asia and next to China that is so big big giant.
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I can see Russia(Chinas so called strategic partner against the west/U.S. lol) is arming Vietnam quite well. Interesting.........:enjoy: Keep it up old Bear.:cheers:
As you known, how trustworthy the bear is.:cheesy:
But for Vietnam, there is a another problem that they could be betrayed again(just like they accuse what we did in 1972):cheers:
 
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Must say it looks good. Congrats vietnam. Say thanks to uou big brither/patron Russia, they are indeed equipping you quite well to deal with the chinese. :) keep it up vietnam. :cheers:

To counter China, Vietnam need to extend their expenditure on national defence to about 50 billion dollars level to become a big power like the Israel, of course it would take many years and money, and it would be a huge burden.
Nowadays the foreign military assistance of US is about 10 billion dollars, and the most share (about one fourth of the money) is distributed to Israel. Even if Vietnam could get some share, it would be far not enough.As a ally of US, even Philippine can get only about 30 million dollars, just a peanut.:rofl:
But even for Israel in nowadays to counter the South China Sea Fleet associated with Guangzhou Military Region is also a impossible mission.:disagree:
Interestingly, even for US it must be thought over and over how to counter the PLA in this region. But we can see Japanese are jumping up and down to want to interfere in the South China Sea issue.不自量力
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If Japan or Vietnam lay in the Europe(for example next to Brits:rofl:), it would be a very big country. But unfortunately they lie in Asia and next to China that is so big big giant.
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As you known, how trustworthy the bear is.:cheesy:
But for Vietnam, there is a another problem that they could be betrayed again(just like they accuse what we did in 1972):cheers:

Well Russia has alwats been wary of you people in rhe beginning. Its just because we sanctioned them and they have no other choice than to try and act like thet are coperating with you against the West/U.S. truth is they would rather cooperate with us anyday than with you(if they have a choice.lol). So i believe when/if we luft the sanctions, things will return back to normal with moscow. We are all europeans afterall. :)

Funny thing is if we were the ones who had agreed to supply these submarines to vietnam, china would have been far more voval about it. Just imagine it was the U.S .lol. vuess the chinese know they cant afford to anger the bear no matter what the bear does. .....interesting. :pop:

Nothing, we have more and better 052c or 052d, latter 055.
Japanese as i knew, if they cannot accept it, they will ignore it. :rofl:They can make any excuses to comfort themselves, such as our navy's lack of experience, our equipments' unreliability or sucking sub detection etc.:cheesy:

Still waiting for China to take back the senkakus islands like it did with philippines scarbourough shoal, since japans navy is so weak compared to PLAN. lol. To be honest i think your leaders know better. :pop:
 
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Vietnam is not even a major naval power. Why compare to such a , relatively speaking, weak nation?

The Vietnamese have impressive capabilities in homeland / territorial defense , excellent guerilla capabilities.

But in regards to naval power? Come on. Their entire navy is not even the size of 1/4th of Japan's 1st Escort Fleet. LOL.

Why do you Chinese want to compare the great PLAN to such a relatively weak navy, the Viet Navy ?
We focus on coastal missile defense systems more than Navy, and thats the way we won the war against US when both JP-CN navy got crushed easily by US navy. Of course, both CN-JP coastal missile defense systems suck, cant compare wt VN's one

In war, the weaker should play in smarter way, dont try to play catching up game wt the US :pop:

Must say it looks good. Congrats vietnam. Say thanks to uou big brither/patron Russia, they are indeed equipping you quite well to deal with the chinese. :) keep it up vietnam. :cheers:
And pls dont forget the coastal missile defense systems that Big bro also equip VN :pop:
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Take Vietnam, for example. The country has the most modern defense systems among all the countries in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN), but it's procuring more than 72 percent of its equipment from Russia for contracts signed since 2010.
Asia defense spending: New arms race in South China Sea
 
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We focus on coastal missile defense systems more than Navy, and thats the way we won the war against US when both JP-CN navy got crushed easily by US navy. Of course, both CN-JP coastal missile defense systems suck, cant compare wt VN's one

In war, the weaker should play in smarter way, dont try to play catching up game wt the US :pop:


And pls dont forget the coastal missile defense systems that Big bro also equip VN :pop:
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Take Vietnam, for example. The country has the most modern defense systems among all the countries in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN), but it's procuring more than 72 percent of its equipment from Russia for contracts signed since 2010.
Asia defense spending: New arms race in South China Sea


Hahaha My Vietnam bro @NiceGuy ! Give me some pho tai gan sach, please , best friend ?? ;)
 
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pho tai gan sach is cheap while JP ramen is so expensive, and I've never had a chance to try Ramen:cry:


Ramen is good, definitely, but my favorite noodle dish is Pho Tai Gan Sach...i love the XL size bowl, buddy.

Love to eat that and just jam it down my throat. Its that good, LOL!

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Damn impressive looking, really. Maybe in a couple of months, the VPN can participate with the JMSDF! Wouldn't that just be awesome and Stabilizing? :)
 
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Actually it's not fair to compare chinese navy of that of Vietnam navy. Because china is very big as compared to vietnam. PLAAN can be compared with Indian navy and both are equivalent in terms of Navy might in their respective area. China is dominant in SCS while India is dominant in Indian ocean also the only country in ASia using two to three AC's. But here we are talking of conflict in SCS were China is dominant but if there is a probability of war then i think USA will surely step in and once USA steps in then the allies of US like Japan and Taiwan will also come in. In this scenario i don't think India will play any role but as China started to play games in Indian ocean India too started to play games in SCS. You can see India sending it's ships in SCS deploying in vietnam also india is heavily investing in Oil exploration in SCS on request of Vietnam. Indian companies such as Esaar, ONGC are said to invest even more on MoU signed by by India and Vietnam in the last meeting also Esaar has one active plant in SCS. So i think China should really be worried about the 'grand alignment' rather than two to three vietnam submarines. Because it will really get checkmate in it's own game.
We dont need the US to step in, but we need US to stay neutral and dont side wt CN like in 1979.

CN navy is just a cheap joke to our coastal missile defense systems :)

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1st domination of Vietnam: Han.
2nd domination of Vietnam: Han, Wu, Jin.
3rd domination of Vietnam: Tang
4th domination of Vietnam: Ming

Almost 1000 years total.
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We dont need the US to step in, but we need US to stay neutral and dont side wt CN like in 1979.

CN navy is just a cheap joke to our coastal missile defense systems :)

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you mean us helped us to fight you or what?
us army did not shoot you right?
 
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Must say it looks good. Congrats vietnam. Say thanks to uou big brither/patron Russia, they are indeed equipping you quite well to deal with the chinese. :) keep it up vietnam. :cheers:



Well Russia has alwats been wary of you people in rhe beginning. Its just because we sanctioned them and they have no other choice than to try and act like thet are coperating with you against the West/U.S. truth is they would rather cooperate with us anyday than with you(if they have a choice.lol). So i believe when/if we luft the sanctions, things will return back to normal with moscow. We are all europeans afterall. :)

Funny thing is if we were the ones who had agreed to supply these submarines to vietnam, china would have been far more voval about it. Just imagine it was the U.S .lol. vuess the chinese know they cant afford to anger the bear no matter what the bear does. .....interesting. :pop:
We know how trustworthy the bear is, it is Russia that is sanctioned by your west, not us. we coperate with Russia is just to want it to absorb the ammunitions from US and get cheap and reliable-sourcing oil and gas. In this region, there never is a so big consumer like China that can consume so much oil and gas as Russia has to and want to sell. And the situation is that Russia need us more than we need Russia .So this time in the SCS issue you can see that we step in first, then Vietnam, Philippines step in secondly, and Japan and US step in last, we will step ahead of everyone. (except oil and weapons what Russia can export). For us, a paralytic bear is a good bear, not a dead you want.
For Vietnam, what they get is only our navy's dishes, even the diesel subs that could import from Japan, France, Germany or Sweden(no your Brits:disagree:)and they can only afford to buy the cheapest Russian sub. It is very very hard for only one kind weapons to resolve the victory of a war.
Still waiting for China to take back the senkakus islands like it did with philippines scarbourough shoal, since japans navy is so weak compared to PLAN. lol. To be honest i think your leaders know better. :pop:
It just is a little island, why we must push Japan to get it, for us keeping it disputed to Japan is very useful. A war held near our countries in Asia is what your westerner want to see:agree:, i dont think Japanese cant understand it(if Abe is not too stupid). For us to keep enough forces in SCS can make us keep Japan's throat in hands and fill in the strategic vacuum caused by the recession of US in the region. Our navy havent surpassed the JMSDF too much, so that you can see the Japanese jumping up and down. But our tonnage of ships launched by PLA Navy every year is far larger than JMSDF. So it just need take another several years for us to keep the Japanese quiet and clear.:agree:
 
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