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The Vietnamese viewed the surrounding Indianized souheast asian Buddhist, Hindu, and Muslim peoples as inferior because of their Indic civilization. Vietnam believed it was the center and master of southeast asia. Vietnamese rulers would take the title of "Emperor" referring to themselves and call Vietnam an "Empire" and it claimed all of the surrounding Indianized Kingdoms were its vassal and tributaries, like Champa, Chiangmai (Thailand), Ayuttaya (Thailand), Lan Xang (Laos), Cambodia, Malacca (Malaysia), and Java (Indonesia).
Dai Viet (Vietnam) engaged in a massive military campaign in its neighbors especially in the 15th century. It went to war, crushed Champa and genoicded the Cham, then raided the Indianized Tai chieftainships in Lan Xang (modern day Laos) and pretty much terrorized its Indianized Muslim, Hindu, and Buddhist neighbors. The Vietnamese used Confucian rhettoric of restoring order to the "babarians" to justify their atacks. The unprovoked aggresion by Vietnam against its neighbors was unprecedented during that time.
Some Vietnamese racists claim that Chinese run economies of other southeast asian countries but not Vietnam because those other souheast asians are lazy because of their Indic culture.
Dai Viet (Vietnam) used Classical Chinese as its official language, and Confucianism as their ideology, but it was a big enemy of China.
China's best allies were in southeast asia were in fact the Indianized Muslim Kingdoms (who were previously Hindu or animist), like the Malacca Sutanate and Sulu Sultanate, and Kingdom of Champa. Those states were all protectorates of China. Some of the Malays still use Indian titles like "Maharajah" and Sanskrit words. Champa and Malacca were China's allies against Vietnam. China helped protect Malacca from Ayutthaya Hindu Majapahits when the Malaccan Sultan Parameswara converted Hinduism to Islam and renamed himself Iskandar Shah, since China saw the spread of Muslim Sultanates as an oppurtunity for China to expand its influence and ally with the new states, establishing protectorates over them against foreign invaders like the Portuguese.
In fact when Vietnam conquered Champa, they brought Chinese culture in the form of Confucianism and Chinese characters to the newly conquered land, but it was negative for China because we lost our ally and our enemy gained land.
We do not base our alliances on common culture or civilization. I do not think negatively at all of the southeast asians who adopted Indian culture despite my negative feelings about India. I thihk that the so called "lazyness" of the indianized Malays is just people who misperceive the easygoing way of life they live in comparison to OCD type people like Vietnamese.
And the Indic heritage of southeast asians does not mean they like India, they were allied to China while Vietnam was the enemy of China. Since most southeast asians are of Indianized culture and Vietnam is the only southeast asians who adopted civilization from China, this situation is a net gain for China if Indianized southeast asians ally with China and Vietnam allies with India. China should build stronger relations with former Indic influenced states like Malaysia to offset Vietnam.
Dai Viet (Vietnam) engaged in a massive military campaign in its neighbors especially in the 15th century. It went to war, crushed Champa and genoicded the Cham, then raided the Indianized Tai chieftainships in Lan Xang (modern day Laos) and pretty much terrorized its Indianized Muslim, Hindu, and Buddhist neighbors. The Vietnamese used Confucian rhettoric of restoring order to the "babarians" to justify their atacks. The unprovoked aggresion by Vietnam against its neighbors was unprecedented during that time.
Some Vietnamese racists claim that Chinese run economies of other southeast asian countries but not Vietnam because those other souheast asians are lazy because of their Indic culture.
Dai Viet (Vietnam) used Classical Chinese as its official language, and Confucianism as their ideology, but it was a big enemy of China.
China's best allies were in southeast asia were in fact the Indianized Muslim Kingdoms (who were previously Hindu or animist), like the Malacca Sutanate and Sulu Sultanate, and Kingdom of Champa. Those states were all protectorates of China. Some of the Malays still use Indian titles like "Maharajah" and Sanskrit words. Champa and Malacca were China's allies against Vietnam. China helped protect Malacca from Ayutthaya Hindu Majapahits when the Malaccan Sultan Parameswara converted Hinduism to Islam and renamed himself Iskandar Shah, since China saw the spread of Muslim Sultanates as an oppurtunity for China to expand its influence and ally with the new states, establishing protectorates over them against foreign invaders like the Portuguese.
In fact when Vietnam conquered Champa, they brought Chinese culture in the form of Confucianism and Chinese characters to the newly conquered land, but it was negative for China because we lost our ally and our enemy gained land.
We do not base our alliances on common culture or civilization. I do not think negatively at all of the southeast asians who adopted Indian culture despite my negative feelings about India. I thihk that the so called "lazyness" of the indianized Malays is just people who misperceive the easygoing way of life they live in comparison to OCD type people like Vietnamese.
And the Indic heritage of southeast asians does not mean they like India, they were allied to China while Vietnam was the enemy of China. Since most southeast asians are of Indianized culture and Vietnam is the only southeast asians who adopted civilization from China, this situation is a net gain for China if Indianized southeast asians ally with China and Vietnam allies with India. China should build stronger relations with former Indic influenced states like Malaysia to offset Vietnam.