Vietnam says it won't follow others in opposing China; experts note 'US has no chance to use sovereignty issue to divide region'

[Nan Yang]

They will never accept equality. I am just realistic. As always the case, we only have the choice between become part of chinese imperialism or a subversive vassal.

Vassal State ? What is your definition of a vassal State. Please enlightened me. Can you provide a historical example. We can discuss further.

 

[Viet]

Vassal State ? What is your definition of a vassal State. Please enlightened me. Can you provide a historical example.

You don’t know? That’s something we have done for hundreds of years if not thousands. Vietnam sign up a peace treaty with China with terms and conditions negotiated between the parties. The last treaty we signed up was with the Qing.
Following the French invasion and defeat of Vietnam army, the French forced the Qing to give up sovereignty over Vietnam with the treaty of Hue.

 

[Feng Leng]

China is too close. So the PLA.
we share a common land and sea border.
Wei Fenghe probably brings an ultimatum from communist chief Xi Jingping on his trip to Vietnam:
Either we surrender or else...the PLA will act.
First step chinese will stop agrarian imports then impose a sea blockade.

It is common knowledge that USA wants to have Cam Rahn Bay back. It is common knowledge that China would consider an American base at Cam Rahn Bay to be a major hostile escalation. It would not be surprising to conclude that consequences of such an escalation persuaded the Vietnamese government to turn down the American offer.

You don’t know? That’s something we have done for hundreds of years if not thousands. Vietnam sign up a peace treaty with China with terms and conditions negotiated between the parties. The last treaty we signed up was with the Qing.
Following the French invasion and defeat of Vietnam army, the French forced the Qing to give up sovereignty over Vietnam with the treaty of Hue.

The basic problem with Vietnam is that you didn't have a unified national identity until the 20th century. Before that, you had some population who were very close to Chinese culturally and others who were very different. The modern day Vietnam will have to find its own way with its northern neighbor that need not follow the patterns of the past.

 

[Viet]

It is common knowledge that USA wants to have Cam Rahn Bay back. It is common knowledge that China would consider an American base at Cam Rahn Bay to be a major hostile escalation. It would not be surprising to conclude that consequences of such an escalation persuaded the Vietnamese government to turn down the American offer.

Can be the case. I would not be surprised.
China can put a threat on the table like the French did. Then we only have the choice fighting until the bitter end with a consequence of the total destruction.

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If we wanted to, we could destroy your dynasty root and branch and seize for ourselves the entire kingdom, as we have done in Cochinchina. You know very well that this would present no difficulty to our armies. For a moment, you hoped to find help from a great empire on your borders, which has on several occasions posed as your suzerain.

But even if such a suzerainty ever existed, and whatever the consequences that might once have resulted from it, it is now nothing but a historical curiosity. Now here is a fact which is quite certain. You are completely at our mercy. We have the power to seize and destroy your capital and to starve you all to death. It is up to you to choose between war and peace. We do not wish to conquer you, but you must accept our protectorate. For your people, it is a guarantee of peace and prosperity. For your government and your court, it is the only chance of survival.

We give you forty-eight hours to accept or reject, in their entirety and without discussion, the terms which we are magnanimously offering you. We believe that there is nothing in them dishonourable to you, and if they are carried out with sincerity on both sides they will bring happiness to the people of Annam.

But if you reject them, you can expect to suffer the most terrible of misfortunes. The worst catastrophe you are capable of imagining will fall far short of what will actually befall you. The empire of Annam, its royal dynasty and its princes and court will have voted for their own extinction. The very name of Vietnam will be erased from history.[1]

 

[Nan Yang]

You don’t know? That’s something we have done for hundreds of years if not thousands. Vietnam sign up a peace treaty with China with terms and conditions negotiated between the parties. The last treaty we signed up was with the Qing.
Following the French invasion and defeat of Vietnam army, the French forced the Qing to give up sovereignty over Vietnam with the treaty of Hue.

Vassal state is loosely use nowadays. How is Vietnam a vassal State ?

 

[bshifter]

Vietnam has nothing to worry. The French imposed this threat on Vietnam back in the days of colonialism. They wanted to have their military presence inside Vietnam but China today has never said anything about having a military base. Chinese military leaders would issue the threat of destroying Vietnam IF it hosts US missiles facing China. I don't think this is hard to understand. Nothing to do with imperialism. Vietnam is no dumb dumb either and told the Americans to fk off with those missile plan.

 

[Viet]

Vassal state is loosely use nowadays. How is Vietnam a vassal State ?

I mean vassal today will be different than in the past. Vassal in the past means there are must and mustn’t in the treaty dictated by China.
For instance we accepted China as sovereign, adopted chinese culture and customs, eating with chopsticks, eating chiness foods, giving up foreign policy, speaking mandarin, celebrating Chinese New Year. Personally I am ok with chicken rice. Ha ha.

 

[Nan Yang]

It is actually so easy to live with China even as your neighbor. China does not demand much from any country, small or big.

All you have to do is every time you meet with China's leaders just recognize China's core interest.
Just say Taiwan is part of China, and do not interfere in China's internal affairs and just stay neutral in China-US confrontation.
These demands are very reasonable....no ? If you do that China will shower you with trade agreements and make you rich.

Vietnam can hire me if they need help with improving their relationship with China.

 

[Vapnope]

Hostility with your neighbors is always a terrible idea. It negatively effects your growth and your priorities. Two neighbors should be able to resolve their issues without any third country jumping in. US is a super power but don't mistake her for messiah.

 

[Nan Yang]

I mean vassal today will be different than in the past. Vassal in the past means there are must and mustn’t in the treaty dictated by China.
For instance we accepted China as sovereign, adopted chinese culture and customs, eating with chopsticks, eating chiness foods, giving up foreign policy, speaking mandarin, celebrating Chinese New Year. Personally I am ok with chicken rice. Ha ha.

Do not confuse vassal State with tributary state.

 

[Viet]

Do not confuse vassal State with tributary state.

ok pls explain
I mean we were both vassal and tribute.
Vassal I mentioned above.
Tribute because we sent envoys every year to China with gifts. Gifts for the emperor, gifts for his first wife, his second wife, gifts for his favorite concubines.
Tribute today means we will give birthday gifts to peng Liyuan: bphone, VN made electric cars.

 

[cochine]

USA punished Vietnam for 20 years and that is why it is showing good behavior towards China. We will always pat on your heads for showing obedience.

You ran back to China in 1979 even thought your master USA supported you, don't forget it my kid.

 

[Nan Yang]

ok pls explain
I mean we were both vassal and tribute.
Vassal I mentioned above.
Tribute because we sent envoys every year to China with gifts. Gifts for the emperor, gifts for his first wife, his second wife, gifts for his favorite concubines.
Tribute today means we will give birthday gifts to peng Liyuan: bphone, VN made electric cars.

LOL. That would certainly make Xi Jinping very happy. But in the modern era that would not be the case.

In ancient times Tributary States are more like protectorate states. During ancient times Korea was a tributary state and request China help several times to fight off the Japanese pirates.

 

[cochine]

LOL. That would certainly make Xi Jinping very happy. But in the modern era that would not be the case.

In ancient times Tributary States are more like protectorate states. During ancient times Korea was a tributary state and request China help several times to fight off the Japanese pirates.

You mastubolate yourselves to much. There was time when Mongolian and Manchurian had entslaved you Han Chinese like dogs until 1912 .

 

[Nan Yang]

ok pls explain
I mean we were both vassal and tribute.
Vassal I mentioned above.
Tribute because we sent envoys every year to China with gifts. Gifts for the emperor, gifts for his first wife, his second wife, gifts for his favorite concubines.
Tribute today means we will give birthday gifts to peng Liyuan: bphone, VN made electric cars.

Another example.
The Kingdom of Siam once threatened to invade the Malacca Sultanate. To appease the Siamese the Sultan would present a "Bunga Emas" gold flower plant every year to the King of Siam.
Then the Sultanate as a tributary state of China requested help from Ming China. Ming China send Admiral ZhengHE to warn the King of Siam.
Siam King black down and the Malacca Sultanate was saved.