What's new

Vietnam ranked fourth in 2022 International Math Olympiad

The Japanese are not timid, but introverted and serious. This is a common shortcoming of all East Asian countries, but the situation of the Japanese is the most serious. So East Asians are prone to depression and mental diseases. Vietnamese are better in this respect.
This, in my opinion, will eventually be the main challenge for Chinese to take the world stage. Will they have the cultural confidence to engage the world or go in to a nationalistic shell scared of foreigners and rationalizing that fear with racism and other crap like japanese do.
Right now I am betting that chinese have the confidence to engage the world at every level (not just at arms distance style of japanese where they give some funding but cannot bear people to people interactions). One reason is chinese are socialist which at its core is internationalist and second is china is multicultural in a way Japan or Korea aren't.
 
.
This, in my opinion, will eventually be the main challenge for Chinese to take the world stage. Will they have the cultural confidence to engage the world or go in to a nationalistic shell scared of foreigners and rationalizing that fear with racism and other crap like japanese do.
Right now I am betting that chinese have the confidence to engage the world at every level (not just at arms distance style of japanese where they give some funding but cannot bear people to people interactions). One reason is chinese are socialist which at its core is internationalist and second is china is multicultural in a way Japan or Korea aren't.
Historically, China had a far more cosmopolitan and inclusive outlook. This is especially reflected in China’s golden ages like during the Tang Dynasty. Modern Chinese nationalism however has many elements of extreme xenophobia and racialized point of views that we see expressed by certain Chinese pdf members, if these viewpoints dominate then China has no chance of becoming a global power. At most they can be a superpower but not one with a globally relevant cultural impact, just a wheeler and dealer and supplier of goods and money.
 
Last edited:
.
Do you have a solution?

Nope.

I don't see how the problem can be reversed in the foreseeable future when TFR is so abysmally low at almost half the replacement rate of 2.1. Each generation will be almost be half the size of the previous generation at current TFRs. Large scale immigration is unlikely.

^

LKY said before that low fertility is the biggest threat to Singapore's survival and he is also powerless against it.


Money won't solve low birth rate problem: Mr Lee​


If former prime minister Lee Kuan Yew were in charge of Singapore today, he would introduce a baby bonus equal to two years of the average Singaporean's salary.

This is not to boost the country's abysmal total fertility rate of 1.2. Rather, Mr Lee would do it to "prove that super-sized monetary incentives would only have a marginal effect on fertility rates".

Writing in his new book, One Man's View Of The World, Mr Lee makes clear he would offer this huge baby bonus for at least a year.

The experiment will "prove beyond any doubt that our low birth rates have nothing to do with economic or financial factors, such as high cost of living or lack of government help for parents", he says.

Instead, it is due to transformed lifestyles and mindsets which the Government is relatively powerless against, he argues in the 400-page book that is due to be launched today.

Declining fertility is the biggest threat to Singapore's survival, he says.

But, Mr Lee adds: "I cannot solve the problem, and I have given up. I have given the job to another generation of leaders. Hopefully, they or their successors will eventually find a way out."

In a chapter on Singapore, he also says the suggestion that the "Stop at Two" population campaign of the 1970s played a part in bringing fertility rates down is "absurd".

Rather, falling fertility is a global phenomenon due primarily to women's emancipation and participation in the workplace, he says.

The chapter on Singapore is one of 11 in the new book, which focuses largely on foreign affairs.

Mr Lee covers regions including the Middle East and superpowers such as the United States and China, as well as issues like the future of the global economy and climate change.

He also writes candidly about his past encounters with world leaders and impressions of countries, but the bulk of the book looks forwards as he sizes up these countries' strengths, weaknesses and chances of success.

In the Singapore chapter, Mr Lee also reflects on the historic 2011 General Election, young Singaporeans' desire for a two-party system, and Workers' Party MP Chen Show Mao.

He returns to the issue of low fertility often, pointing to it as the reason Japan, a country he once considered "peerless", is now on what he calls a "stroll into mediocrity".

The demographic changes in Singapore and Japan are similar, he notes; the difference lies in the unwillingness of the Japanese to "shade (the) problem with immigrants" like Singapore has done.

It is this intransigence about accepting foreigners and the deeply ingrained idea that the Japanese race must be kept "pure" that makes their continued decline inevitable, he says.

"If I were a young Japanese and I could speak English, I would probably choose to emigrate," he concludes bluntly.

Currently we are just depending on immigration to keep our population growth stable in the long term. We are a small, developed, multicultural country with English as the working language. We just need to attract ~20-30K immigrants per year to keep our demographics stable as if we have a TFR of 2.1. That would not be possible for large countries like Japan or China.

1657901225791.png


1657901777142.png


 
.
Historically, China had a far more cosmopolitan and inclusive outlook. This is especially reflected in China’s golden ages like during the Tang Dynasty. Modern Chinese nationalism however had many elements of extreme xenophobia and racialized point of views that we see expressed by certain Chinese pdf members, if these viewpoints dominate then China has no chance of becoming a global power. At most they can be a superpower but not one with a globally relevant cultural impact, just a wheeler and dealer and supplier of goods and money.
Yes, this is one of the main problems that China needs to face. Second only to population.
 
.
Nope.



^

LKY said before that low fertility is the biggest threat to Singapore's survival and he is also powerless against it.




Currently we are just depending on immigration to keep our population growth stable in the long term. We are a small, developed, multicultural country with English as the working language. We just need to attract ~20-30K immigrants per year to keep our demographics stable as if we have a TFR of 2.1. That would not be possible for large countries like Japan or China.

View attachment 862121

View attachment 862129


China needs to set up specific zones as international magnets for well qualified immigrants. These zones should have English as a functionally second language so foreigners can integrate and live comfortably. I think Shenzhen, Shanghai, Chengdu can be candidates.
 
.
China needs to set up specific zones as international magnets for well qualified immigrants. These zones should have English as a functionally second language so foreigners can integrate and live comfortably. I think Shenzhen, Shanghai, Chengdu can be candidates.

Yea but such measures can only boost China's competitiveness in certain industries via attracting talent and new ideas. It will have negligible impact on their demographics.

China's population is fall by around 9mil per year in the coming decades (their working age population is already falling by ~9mil per year).

Where do you find so many foreigners, preferably quality ones, to cover the shortfall, every year? Can China attract a large number of immigrants (say 1mil every year like the US) with inherent disadvantages like language and culture? I don't think immigration can even ameliorate their demographic problem, much less solve it.

Not even Germany with a much smaller population, higher TFR and higher GDP per capita can reverse their demographic problem with immigration or refugees.
 
. .
Yea but such measures can only boost China's competitiveness in certain industries via attracting talent and new ideas. It will have negligible impact on their demographics.

China's population is fall by around 9mil per year in the coming decades (their working age population is already falling by ~9mil per year).

Where do you find so many foreigners, preferably quality ones, to cover the shortfall, every year? Can China attract a large number of immigrants (say 1mil every year like the US) with inherent disadvantages like language and culture? I don't think immigration can even ameliorate their demographic problem, much less solve it.

Not even Germany with a much smaller population, higher TFR and higher GDP per capita can reverse their demographic problem with immigration or refugees.
OK, I see. Next, let's talk about the forced sex camps.
 
.
If this is any helpful, Japan wouldn't be facing a population decline now lmao.
Japan’s government does not have the coercive power of the CCP. This should be treated as a Manhattan project of the utmost urgency similar to hypersonic missiles and quantum chips. The CCP needs to train 10 million of these dominatrices and have them lash men until they creampie. Come on, this is a national crisis, this is about the future of the motherland FFS.
 
.
Historically, China had a far more cosmopolitan and inclusive outlook. This is especially reflected in China’s golden ages like during the Tang Dynasty. Modern Chinese nationalism however has many elements of extreme xenophobia and racialized point of views that we see expressed by certain Chinese pdf members, if these viewpoints dominate then China has no chance of becoming a global power. At most they can be a superpower but not one with a globally relevant cultural impact, just a wheeler and dealer and supplier of goods and money.
it will be a tragedy for humanity if a country of size and success as china refuses to share it and provide leadership to rest of world. It need not be exactly the way others did but it has to be in some way. And i dont think China will even be a super power - it most likely will implode if it takes a racialized han centric view of world.

This is one reason i am not a big fan of "East asian" culture or "east asian" world. Why does china need the concept of "east asia" - China is 90% of east asia in both population and area. Even indians have enough sense of self importance to look down upon the constuct of "south asia" and call themselves indian sub continent or whatever even though they are only 2/3rd of south asia. Calling chinese as east asians is limiting chinese.
 
.
I really doubt one can ascribe the success to Confucian system. Confucian system was there for like 1000s of years. Most of the achievements of these contries - though incredible- are only there in last few decades.
I think its good old social reform - land reforms, removal of birth based inequalities like in meiji era in japan. All these ended cruel customs preventing workers from being respected. Now that these obstacles are removed the people there are working very well achieving great resutls.
Confucianism affects work ethics and the way people treat education. I doubt European countries have worse social programs than Vietnam and yet they are underperforming. And social reforms don’t explain why the American team is also filled with Chinese people. How does social reform in China affect 2nd or 3rd gen Chinese Americans? The culture plays a big aspect in academic achievements.
 
.
it will be a tragedy for humanity if a country of size and success as china refuses to share it and provide leadership to rest of world. It need not be exactly the way others did but it has to be in some way. And i dont think China will even be a super power - it most likely will implode if it takes a racialized han centric view of world.

This is one reason i am not a big fan of "East asian" culture or "east asian" world. Why does china need the concept of "east asia" - China is 90% of east asia in both population and area. Even indians have enough sense of self importance to look down upon the constuct of "south asia" and call themselves indian sub continent or whatever even though they are only 2/3rd of south asia. Calling chinese as east asians is limiting chinese.
In fact, the world does not need a superpower, nor does it need a country to lead. A multipolar world is more suitable for the development of human civilization.

China should not repeat the mistakes of the Americans. Let Middle Easterners lead the Middle East, Africans lead Africa, and South Americans lead South America. This is the correct development direction of human civilization.
 
.
All civilizations will eventually perish, and so will HuaXia civilization.

If we come to an end because of the population problem, then it is only a choice of time for our civilization.

When alive, we can as beautiful as summer flowers, and when dead, we can as quiet as autumn leaves. We don't have to regret. At least we have left enough great poems in the history of human civilization.
 
.
it will be a tragedy for humanity if a country of size and success as china refuses to share it and provide leadership to rest of world. It need not be exactly the way others did but it has to be in some way. And i dont think China will even be a super power - it most likely will implode if it takes a racialized han centric view of world.

This is one reason i am not a big fan of "East asian" culture or "east asian" world. Why does china need the concept of "east asia" - China is 90% of east asia in both population and area. Even indians have enough sense of self importance to look down upon the constuct of "south asia" and call themselves indian sub continent or whatever even though they are only 2/3rd of south asia. Calling chinese as east asians is limiting chinese.
China is already a superpower, but not a culturally dominant one. It already is in terms of its size, wealth and technological and geopolitical capabilities.

However, it’s influence will be stunted if it is not able to develop a universally appealing worldview and culture.
 
.
All civilizations will eventually perish, and so will HuaXia civilization.

If we come to an end because of the population problem, then it is only a choice of time for our civilization.

When alive, we can as beautiful as summer flowers, and when dead, we can as quiet as autumn leaves. We don't have to regret. At least we have left enough great poems in the history of human civilization.

How poetic.

**** that, I'm gonna live nigga.
 
.

Latest posts

Pakistan Defence Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom