Vietnam PM seeks regional unity as China pushes maritime claims

[soaringeagle]

"Unity"..........Like first Cambodia, then Laos.
"Who wants to be next?", says the spider to the bees.

 

[Snomannen]

Good. If you are here in Germany and want to spy the German drones tech Euro Hawk, than you will be disappointed. The Germans want to dump the drones, because they are useless.

"Euro Hawk": Von Anfang an auf Kollisionskurs | tagesschau.de

I am not interested in such toy.

By the way politic are all stupid, yet funny.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Yep, to import some submarines,anti-ship missile,S-300,multi-role fighter is smart for Vietnam. But like kilo and su-30 all were played by PLA several years ago the Chinese much familiar with these Russian weapons.

Main trouble for Vietnamese is not PLAN or PLAAF, indeed millions of PLA Army from the North. There's no Tibet Plateau and Himalaya, only hills in the sino-vietnamese border.

Shouldn't be plateau that worries you.but jungle.Worst of all environments.

 

[cnleio]

And we always use Russian weapons far more effectively than u.With Russian weapons,we successfully defeated mighty US and liberated the Soth VN when China keep crying like baby to see Taiwan embarcing Japan and US untill now.

Millions of poor trained and coward PLA troop near our north border is just a cheap.joke to us.l bet that those coward will surely run for their lives when facing with real bloody combat

LOL, only in the War can prove how cheap or useful for these "made in China" weapons. If war (i said if),

1. our spy satellite frist find out enemy's military base, and lock valuable targets

2. DF series missiles and UAVs will find out and destroy enemy's anti-aircraft missile base, airfield runway and military ports

3. our Airforce will fly in and hundreds of J-10A,J-11,J-11B,Su-30mkk,Su-30mk2,JH-7A will clean up the rest enemy's fighters in the sky.

4. then our PLA Army will send out, thousands of ZTZ96A, ZTZ99G, type59D tanks, type92 IFV, ZBD-03 IFV, PLZ-05 SPH, PGZ-95 AAG, PGZ-2000 AAG carrying millions of PLA soldiers start to armor assault from the North. Hundreds of WZ-10,WZ-19,WZ-9 armed helicopters and Airforce fighters will support ground attack, the HQ-7, HQ-9, HQ-16 anti-aircraft missile vehicles will provide additional air defense. The ground force will destroy enemy's cities, destroy enemy's industry, destroy enemy's airports, destroy enemy's ports, destroy enemy's railways, destroy enemy's aircrafts, destroy enemy's ships, destroy enemy's any resource, after ruin enemy's developments our troops will back to China just leave the crash to rest of poor enemy's ppl.

5. At last PLA Navy will join the war to blockade enemy's coasting, after cut off connection with mainland PLAN 071 class will take PLAN Marine corps take all dispute islands back.


So do u understand ? PLA missiles and UAVs will deal with ur anti-aircraft bases, military airports and navy ports, PLAAF will deal with the rest enemy's fighters and warships, PLA Army and armor assault will ruin enemy's cities and industry, at last PLAN will take dispute islands back. After all PLA forces will back to China, we have no interested in holding enemy's lands, but just let them and their generations living in ruins and poor.


And i tell u here again, without China u can't win the Vietnam War. If u choose the China as ur enemy, ur ppl and ur generations will living in nightmare everyyear, the China could take ur all developments away. The North of Vietnam no safe all days.

 

[cnleio]

Shouldn't be plateau that worries you.but jungle.Worst of all environments.

DF missiles + armed helicopters + tank assaults to destroy enemy's cities, i said we have no interested in holding their lands but ruin their developments. Destroy all PLA will back to China.

 

[VietHome]

LOL, only in the War can prove how cheap or useful for these "made in China" weapons. If war (i said if),

1. our spy satellite frist find out enemy's military base, and lock valuable targets

2. DF series missiles and UAVs will find out and destroy enemy's anti-aircraft missile base, airfield runway and military ports

3. our Airforce will fly in and hundreds of J-10A,J-11,J-11B,Su-30mkk,Su-30mk2,JH-7A will clean up the rest enemy's fighters in the sky.

4. then our PLA Army will send out, thousands of ZTZ96A, ZTZ99G, type59D tanks, type92 IFV, ZBD-03 IFV, PLZ-05 SPH, PGZ-95 AAG, PGZ-2000 AAG carrying millions of PLA soldiers start to armor assault from the North. Hundreds of WZ-10,WZ-19,WZ-9 armed helicopters and Airforce fighters will support ground attack, the HQ-7, HQ-9, HQ-16 anti-aircraft missile vehicles will provide additional air defense. The ground force will destroy enemy's cities, destroy enemy's industry, destroy enemy's airports, destroy enemy's ports, destroy enemy's railways, destroy enemy's aircrafts, destroy enemy's ships, destroy enemy's any resource, after ruin enemy's developments our troops will back to China just leave the crash to rest of poor enemy's ppl.

5. At last PLA Navy will join the war to blockade enemy's coasting, after cut off connection with mainland PLAN 071 class will take PLAN Marine corps take all dispute islands back.


So do u understand ? PLA missiles and UAVs will deal with ur anti-aircraft bases, military airports and navy ports, PLAAF will deal with the rest enemy's fighters and warships, PLA Army and armor assault will ruin enemy's cities and industry, at last PLAN will take dispute islands back. After all PLA forces will back to China, we have no interested in holding enemy's lands, but just let them and their generations living in ruins and poor.

These dreamed scenarios are indeed interesting if one were playing RTS video games at home. However, these relied on four big assumptions:

- The world only has Vietnam and PRC, while other countries such as America, Russia, Japan, and India does not exist. Thus, PRC can spent everything it has on Vietnam

- Chinese made weaponry is as good as Russian made weapons that Vietnam owns.

- Prince/princess of the only-child army are brave enough to die so that their families will have no descendant

- Vietnamese people do not dare to oppose China although they have done the exact opposite throughout history.

 

[cnleio]

- The world only has Vietnam and PRC, while other countries such as America, Russia, Japan, and India does not exist. Thus, PRC can spent everything it has on Vietnam

Ask Georgia why NATO didn't help them when 2008 Russian invade their lands ? Ask ur predecessors why former S.U didn't help them when 1979 China fight in North of Vietnam ? Right now who's ur Vietnamese's big brother ? who will lend u billions of $$ and weapons support for free, U.S? Russia? Japan? India? or others?

- Chinese made weaponry is as good as Russian made weapons that Vietnam owns.

I remeber current China is the N.o3 big weapons export country, its weapons trade always world's top five. U doubt "made in China" weapons quality, u must be blind.

- Prince/princess of the only-child army are brave enough to die so that their families will have no descendant

I seriously tell u here, only few Chinese families r only-child most family special un-city family have more children. And i don't know where u hear the Chinese afraid of death, we have today big lands of China coz the Chinese can sacrifice all for China and Chinese nation. Did u ever hear American said the Chinese r coward when China joint in the Korea War ? Did u ever hear ur old Vietnamese soldiers said the PLA soldiers r coward when China fight in 1979 North Vietnam ? In the War, the Chinese will be the brave soldiers, most of us r used to die with the enemy together.

- Vietnamese people do not dare to oppose China although they have done the exact opposite throughout history.

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[VietHome]

Ask Georgia why NATO didn't help them when 2008 Russian invade their lands ? Ask ur predecessors why former S.U didn't help them when 1979 China fight in North of Vietnam ? Right now who's ur Vietnamese's big brother ? who will lend u billions of $$ and weapons support for free, U.S? Russia? Japan? India? or others?

Because Georgia attacked first so technically Russia is in the right.

The Soviet Union helps a lot:

- Gave billions of economic and military aids to Vietnam during the period.
- Use SU's transport planes to bring main battalions from Cambodia back to Hanoi
- Brought 40 of its finest battalions to the border with PRC, staged the largest military drill in the Soviet Union's history to warn PRC
- Brought SU's Naval ship including Nuclear Submarine to the Gulf of Tolkin to prevent China's blockage of Vietnam harbor.

There, enough help yet?

You assume too much that no country will stand with Vietnam. They have strategic stakes in Vietnam as well. I have mentioned the important of not letting PRC control the SCS before. I guess you forget about that.

Btw, even if those countries cannot help Vietnam in a war, are they a threat that China has to keep most of its military in preserve? Have you heard about "not putting all eggs in one basket?" PRC cannot spend all its might into Vietnam and that's a fact.

I remeber current China is the N.o3 big weapons export country, its weapons trade always world's top five. U doubt "made in China" weapons quality, u must be blind.

China is number 5th atm List of countries by arms exports - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Always world's top five" is a stretch if you look at that table.
Btw, selling low-graded weapons to countries by cheap price does not support PRC's weapon quality claim.
Here are some "quality" Chinese weapons:

Ecuador rejects Chinese radars | EcuadorTimes.net | Breaking News, Ecuador News, World, Sports, Entertainment

Thai Navy to select the South Korean military for its development of new frigate - News

http://www.aviationinspector.com/?p=16994

Most of PRC's new planes, ships, and tanks are using Russian engines, navigators, and radars. PRC can only partially produce their weapons. The core technological equipment is still Russians.

I seriously tell u here, only few Chinese families r only-child most family special un-city family have more children. And i don't know where u hear the Chinese afraid of death, we have today big lands of China coz the Chinese can sacrifice all for China and Chinese nation. Did u ever hear American said the Chinese r coward when China joint in the Korea War ? Did u ever hear ur old Vietnamese soldiers said the PLA soldiers r coward when China fight in 1979 North Vietnam ? In the War, the Chinese will be the brave soldiers, most of us r used to die with the enemy together.

So are those only-child-city-children ready to die? Or all the burden of sacrifice put under poor people in rural areas so that city kids can talk war so casually. To start war, you need a just reason, what is the reason for PRC to attack Vietnam?

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Well, at least you can't find the way to dispute this

 

[NiceGuy]

LOL, only in the War can prove how cheap or useful for these "made in China" weapons. If war (i said if),

1. our spy satellite frist find out enemy's military base, and lock valuable targets

2. DF series missiles and UAVs will find out and destroy enemy's anti-aircraft missile base, airfield runway and military ports

3. our Airforce will fly in and hundreds of J-10A,J-11,J-11B,Su-30mkk,Su-30mk2,JH-7A will clean up the rest enemy's fighters in the sky.

4. then our PLA Army will send out, thousands of ZTZ96A, ZTZ99G, type59D tanks, type92 IFV, ZBD-03 IFV, PLZ-05 SPH, PGZ-95 AAG, PGZ-2000 AAG carrying millions of PLA soldiers start to armor assault from the North. Hundreds of WZ-10,WZ-19,WZ-9 armed helicopters and Airforce fighters will support ground attack, the HQ-7, HQ-9, HQ-16 anti-aircraft missile vehicles will provide additional air defense. The ground force will destroy enemy's cities, destroy enemy's industry, destroy enemy's airports, destroy enemy's ports, destroy enemy's railways, destroy enemy's aircrafts, destroy enemy's ships, destroy enemy's any resource, after ruin enemy's developments our troops will back to China just leave the crash to rest of poor enemy's ppl.

5. At last PLA Navy will join the war to blockade enemy's coasting, after cut off connection with mainland PLAN 071 class will take PLAN Marine corps take all dispute islands back.


So do u understand ? PLA missiles and UAVs will deal with ur anti-aircraft bases, military airports and navy ports, PLAAF will deal with the rest enemy's fighters and warships, PLA Army and armor assault will ruin enemy's cities and industry, at last PLAN will take dispute islands back. After all PLA forces will back to China, we have no interested in holding enemy's lands, but just let them and their generations living in ruins and poor.

Oh, then show that your stupid tactic will be usefull when facing with well trained Vn army, dont just keep cheap barking here

And i tell u here again, without China u can't win the Vietnam War. If u choose the China as ur enemy, ur ppl and ur generations will living in nightmare everyyear, the China could take ur all developments away. The North of Vietnam no safe all days.

Idiot comment, without China, then South VN would liberate the North, we still unite, no one can stop that.

I seriously tell u here, only few Chinese families r only-child most family special un-city family have more children. And i don't know where u hear the Chinese afraid of death, we have today big lands of China coz the Chinese can sacrifice all for China and Chinese nation. Did u ever hear American said the Chinese r coward when China joint in the Korea War ? Did u ever hear ur old Vietnamese soldiers said the PLA soldiers r coward when China fight in 1979 North Vietnam ? In the War, the Chinese will be the brave soldiers, most of us r used to die with the enemy together.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-...a-pushes-maritime-claims-4.html#ixzz2UveHiP7H

Do we need to say enything else with those pics ??

And, not only Vnese know China is coward, but the whole world insult China ,too. let me remind u this sign board

And this is ur answer to this sign board

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

DF missiles + armed helicopters + tank assaults to destroy enemy's cities, i said we have no interested in holding their lands but ruin their developments. Destroy all PLA will back to China.

After that permanent american base in vietnam and whole vietnamese population in cross border guerilla war,not to mention the huge causalities taken in making those tank assaults.China encirclement complete.

 

[Fsjal]

And we always use Russian weapons far more effectively than u.With Russian weapons,we successfully defeated mighty US and liberated the Soth VN when China keep crying like baby to see Taiwan embarcing Japan and US untill now.

Millions of poor trained and coward PLA troop near our north border is just a cheap.joke to us.l bet that those coward will surely run for their lives when facing with real bloody combat

Bwahahaahahaha

Are you kidding? They are more trained than your army.

Vietnamese soldiers are poorly trained and starving. Their only tactic is jump out of bushes and die

 

[soaringeagle]

They have made their choice long time ago.

LOL, only in the War can prove how cheap or useful for these "made in China" weapons. If war (i said if),

1. our spy satellite frist find out enemy's military base, and lock valuable targets

2. DF series missiles and UAVs will find out and destroy enemy's anti-aircraft missile base, airfield runway and military ports

3. our Airforce will fly in and hundreds of J-10A,J-11,J-11B,Su-30mkk,Su-30mk2,JH-7A will clean up the rest enemy's fighters in the sky.

4. then our PLA Army will send out, thousands of ZTZ96A, ZTZ99G, type59D tanks, type92 IFV, ZBD-03 IFV, PLZ-05 SPH, PGZ-95 AAG, PGZ-2000 AAG carrying millions of PLA soldiers start to armor assault from the North. Hundreds of WZ-10,WZ-19,WZ-9 armed helicopters and Airforce fighters will support ground attack, the HQ-7, HQ-9, HQ-16 anti-aircraft missile vehicles will provide additional air defense. The ground force will destroy enemy's cities, destroy enemy's industry, destroy enemy's airports, destroy enemy's ports, destroy enemy's railways, destroy enemy's aircrafts, destroy enemy's ships, destroy enemy's any resource, after ruin enemy's developments our troops will back to China just leave the crash to rest of poor enemy's ppl.

5. At last PLA Navy will join the war to blockade enemy's coasting, after cut off connection with mainland PLAN 071 class will take PLAN Marine corps take all dispute islands back.


So do u understand ? PLA missiles and UAVs will deal with ur anti-aircraft bases, military airports and navy ports, PLAAF will deal with the rest enemy's fighters and warships, PLA Army and armor assault will ruin enemy's cities and industry, at last PLAN will take dispute islands back. After all PLA forces will back to China, we have no interested in holding enemy's lands, but just let them and their generations living in ruins and poor.


And i tell u here again, without China u can't win the Vietnam War. If u choose the China as ur enemy, ur ppl and ur generations will living in nightmare everyyear, the China could take ur all developments away. The North of Vietnam no safe all days.

 

[soaringeagle]

USA will not risk their soldiers' life again, they got burnt enough before. An elephant never forgets.
Russia will only join in the fun only after they ask themselves the question "what is in it for us".
Thailand will just be too happy to see their threat gone.

We don't want their land, we don't want their people. Just set them back 50 years.
If US wants it afterward, well........ still it will be easier to deal with the US, we don't have much problem with South Korea don't we?

 

[JSCh]

During the Vietnam war, the US army never cross into North Vietnam territory because they know China would get involve directly.

US would not fight PLA for South Vietnam then, would US fight with PLA for Vietnam today?

 

[longyi]

Vietnam police swoop on anti-China protest, 20 detained



(Reuters) - Police in Vietnam moved swiftly to break up an anti-China protest on Sunday, making at least 20 arrests in the latest sign of the communist regime's tough stance on dissent, and even after it chided Beijing for aggression in the South China Sea.

As crowds gathered in response to the recent ramming of a Vietnamese trawler by Chinese navy vessels, uniform and plain clothes police blocked off rallying points and quickly put protesters on to waiting buses, Reuters witnesses said.

Two Vietnamese journalists working for foreign media were also detained at the protest near Hanoi's Hoan Kien lake.

Vietnam's has been criticized by Western countries including the United States for crushing freedom of speech and arresting its detractors as discontent grows over land grabs, graft and the state's management of an economy hamstrung by bad debt.

Diplomats and experts say the ruling party is eager to curtail all protests, even those against rival China which it once tolerated, fearing they could mushroom into wider anti-government movements.

Tensions in the decades-old territorial dispute have risen in recent weeks after Chinese vessels struck a Vietnamese fishing boat and later converged near a ship the Philippines ran aground on a reef in 1999 to mark its territory.

The Philippines warned China to withdraw from what Beijing considers its "indisputable territory" and Vietnam complained of a "serious violation" of its sovereignty.

In a rare break from a usually diplomatic tone, Vietnam Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung on Friday warned of damage to regional economies and global trade if "unilateral might, groundless claims" and "power politics" were to ignite a conflict in the South China Sea.

Dung made the comments during an address to the Shangri-La Dialogue in Singapore but did not specifically name China.

Vietnam police swoop on anti-China protest, 20 detained | Reuters



Why the Viets in this forum are not out there protesting instead of bad mouthing China in every thread here? All talk no walk?