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Vietnam fooling no one in maritime dispute

Vietnamese fishermen reportedly paid to go to disputed waters
CCTV.com

A report from a Vietnamese TV station has revealed why the country’s fishermen would risk confrontation with Chinese boats to fish in disputed waters in the South China Sea.

According to the VTV report, fishermen claim that they have received both money and assurance that fishery authorities in Vietnam stand ready to help when they face trouble from Chinese authorities.

The German news agency DPA has quoted a Vietnamese fishery official as saying that Vietnam plans to spend 760 million dollars to reinforce what it calls "law enforcement capabilities on the sea."

The money will provide new patrol facilities for the Vietnamese coast guard, and boats for the fishermen.

According to Vietnam’s VTV, these fishermen have just returned from a trip in waters around China’s Nansha and Xisha Islands. Despite their humble harvest, they say they’ll continue to fish in those areas.

"Normally we get money from the government. For example, if we go to Nansha and Xisha islands, we get our oil money paid." Vietnamese fisherman said.


The fishermen add they’re not worried about losing money because of government subsidies. In terms of safety concerns, they say Vietnamese law enforcement vessels have promised to help once they, quote "get into trouble". It is estimated that 2,000 boats are engaged in such government-led fishing activities a practice that has been criticized by some Vietnamese as using the fishermen as scapegoats in territorial conflicts.

Earlier, Japanese reporters were invited onto Vietnamese patrol ships as they conducted so-called law enforcement activities near the Chinese drilling rig. The reporters say they were told that Chinese vessels had rammed Vietnamese boats multiple times a claim refuted by the Chinese Foreign Ministry.

The ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying urges Vietnam to stop its provocations immediately.
Poor BS and propaganda, We support our fishing men for their career to develop our fishing operation and maritime economy in our EEZ, it's normal things like price support for agricultural products. :azn:

Look like China must use every way to create image "Aggressive of Vietnam" ... :lol: :D

ha, ha, CCTV is master, big master in lying.
It's not, bro, CCTV was not master liar, but simply Chinese idiots have not enough IQ to see the truth, and beside they think mighty China always right like God .... :rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
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a thief should keep a low profile, not like your viet with a camera who impolitely break into neighbor's yard.
the host can do whatever he want to do to teach the unwanted thief a good lesson.
similar to people committing crimes , filming the scene and put it on the net to indict themselves, A very foolish move by our Vietnamese neighbor
Thief this thief that, you don't have the evidence. Your so-called photos and vids of Vietnam aggression are so pathetic that China doesn't dare to put it in their report to the UN? I am sure if China used them, China will become the laughing stock for the world.

And you don't need fancy camera to capture our crime, only a cell phone low res pic will do. I won't say Vietnam is a thief because Chinese members here love twisting my words around but god, Vietnam was smart to bring their camera with them. At least China cannot deny ramming them like they did.
 
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as everything from viet media and history textbooks and diplomatic documents, such fishermen are faked, the true identity of them, viet nam navy soliders, we are busy at drilling this time, so we don't have too many hands to arrest these faked fishermen in china's water.

your EEZ is your unilateral EEZ, except for viet nam born map makers, nobody cares and recognizes.
Poor BS and propaganda, We support our fishing men for their career to develop our fishing operate and maritime economy in our EEZ, it's nomarl things like price support for agricultural products. :azn:

Look like China must use every way to create image "Aggressive of Vietnam" ... :lol: :D


It's not, bro, CCTV was not master liar, but simply Chinese idiots have not enough IQ to see the truth, and beside they think mighty China always right like God .... :rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
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as everything from viet media and history textbooks and diplomatic documents, such fishermen are faked, the true identity of them, viet nam navy soliders, we are busy at drilling this time, so we don't have too many hands to arrest these faked fishermen in china's water.

your EEZ is your unilateral EEZ, except for viet nam born map makers, nobody cares and recognizes.
Your govt and CCTV saying "they're Vietnamese fishermen".
So or you're idiot or China Govt is liar ... :rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
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as everything from viet media and history textbooks and diplomatic documents, such fishermen are faked, the true identity of them, viet nam navy soliders, we are busy at drilling this time, so we don't have too many hands to arrest these faked fishermen in china's water.

your EEZ is your unilateral EEZ, except for viet nam born map makers, nobody cares and recognizes.
Your govt and CCTV saying "they're Vietnamese fishermen".
So or you're idiot or China Govt is liar ... :rofl::rofl::rofl:
And don't use the reason "to avoid tension". There are enough tension already, adding a little is nothing.
Chinese govt must think of that before sending the note to UN.
 
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your EEZ is your unilateral EEZ, except for viet nam born map makers, nobody cares and recognizes.

You did see your nine-dashed-line is China born line, nobody recognizes ?

Would you want a poll for whose EEZ would be international community recognizes ? China and Vietnam
 
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i bet nine-dash lines are more popular than yours, at least they were popular before 1974.
when we had the 9-dash, there was not an independent country called viet nam.

well, it actually doesn't matter which lines are more popular, because map printing is really cheap now.
let us have a hint, as viet tried to make investigation over your EEZ but inside 9-dash, we cut your cable,
when china drills inside 9-dash but in viet EEZ, your viet had no way out but burnt Taiwan factory in your industrial park.

You did see your nine-dashed-line is China born line, nobody recognizes ?

Would you want a poll for whose EEZ would be international community recognizes ? China and Vietnam
 
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i bet nine-dash lines are more popular than yours, at least they were popular before 1974.
when we had the 9-dash, there was not an independent country called viet nam.

well, it actually doesn't matter which lines are more popular, because map printing is really cheap now.
let us have a hint, as viet tried to make investigation over your EEZ but inside 9-dash, we cut your cable,
when china drills inside 9-dash but in viet EEZ, your viet had no way out but burnt Taiwan factory in your industrial park.

china is wrong, so China dare not go with Philippine to arbitration.
 
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We have 90 dashed line in our chest, pal !!!
Do you want to see it ?

Tell us when others acknowledged of your 9 dashed line officially ?
2009, right ?

Until now, we heard that US still ask China to explain what 9 dashed line meaning is ?
No one understand 9 dashed line stand for what ... including Chinese people.

So what ?
 
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i bet nine-dash lines are more popular than yours, at least they were popular before 1974.
when we had the 9-dash, there was not an independent country called viet nam.

well, it actually doesn't matter which lines are more popular, because map printing is really cheap now.
let us have a hint, as viet tried to make investigation over your EEZ but inside 9-dash, we cut your cable,
when china drills inside 9-dash but in viet EEZ, your viet had no way out but burnt Taiwan factory in your industrial park.
Since before 1974, yet China fails to given the exact cordination of each of the line. And China showed one map only. If you had a map from 1946, surely you have other maps in later years.
 
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9-dash or 11-dash is a reward for china being one of the winners of WW II, any body who disagree please go to the right side in WW III.

We have 90 dashed line in our chest, pal !!!
Do you want to see it ?

Tell us when others acknowledged of your 9 dashed line officially ?
2009, right ?

Until now, we heard that US still ask China to explain what 9 dashed line meaning is ?
No one understand 9 dashed line stand for what ... including Chinese people.

So what ?

we have a lot, friends.
without viet turned its back to china in 1974, most atlas in this world acknowledged this 9-dash lines until now.
i have a very long list of atlas published by different countries with 9-dash since 1946, but sorry, i am tired to translate so long a list for your cheap guys.
Since before 1974, yet China fails to given the exact cordination of each of the line. And China showed one map only. If you had a map from 1946, surely you have other maps in later years.
 
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9-dash or 11-dash is a reward for china being one of the winners of WW II, any body who disagree please go to the right side in WW III.



we have a lot, friends.
without viet turned its back to china in 1974, most atlas in this world acknowledged this 9-dash lines until now.
i have a very long list of atlas published by different countries with 9-dash since 1946, but sorry, i am tired to translate so long a list for your cheap guys.
Google image "china map" then tell me what's you see. China may have a lot of friends, but the Internet isn't one, right?

https://www.google.com/search?q=china+map&safe=off&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=MueeU6bLLor18QX0ioKoCg&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1366&bih=643

Here I leave a link for you, it's not google VN so no concern of Google for VNese, ok?
 
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what time does an internet corporation become a judge on international issue?
let me be more clear about this topic.
why SCS inside 9-dash lines, everything, islands, water, belong to china, because
1, china is the winner of WW II, so 9-dash was released in 1946, right after the war ended in 1945.
11-dash and later 9-dash is a reward for this victory. you know what, china cut 11-dash to 9-dash to show the friendship to north viet. so, it is your viet are too insatiable.
2, china is a country with good reputation, never swallows its own words like viet in 1974.
think the fact that china ceded Bach Long Vi to north viet even if only chinese were living over there.
3, china has much more powerful military force than the others, if you cannot rob our territory water and lands by force, then you cannot get them only by talking or stealing. china will get all things back sooner or later. war or peace depends on your little thieves.
Google image "china map" then tell me what's you see. China may have a lot of friends, but the Internet isn't one, right?

china map - Google Search
https://www.google.com/search?q=chi...r18QX0ioKoCg&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1366&bih=643
Here I leave a link for you, it's not google VN so no concern of Google for VNese, ok?
 
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Ancient records show Vietnam’s sovereignty over Hoang Sa - Truong Sa
VietNamNet would like to introduce a series of articles on ancient documents proving Vietnam’s sovereignty over the archipelagos of Hoang Sa (Paracel) and Truong Sa (Spratly).

Part 1: The earliest records

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The map of An Nam by French priest Jean-Louis Taberd.

Vietnam has the oldest historic documents about the Paracel and Spratly Islands in the world, starting from the early 17th century.

Hoang Sa was called by westerners as “Paracels” in the 19th century. Documents by Western researchers, missionaries and merchants all described Paracels as a series of islands, rocks and coral reefs along the central coast of Vietnam.

Until the 18th century and a long time after that, Vietnamese geographers and the western navigators did not distinguish Paracel as the two archipelagos of Hoang Sa and Truong Sa as today.

For Vietnamese people, the name Hoang Sa, Bai Cat Vang, Dai Truong Sa or Van Ly Truong Sa referred to the islands stretching from the north to south East Sea. By early 20th century, the above names were still used. In royal document No. 10 in 1933 of King Bao Dai and the Ordinance No. 143 by President Ngo Dinh Diem in 1965, Hoang Sa (Paracels) was still used as the name for the both archipelagos of Hoang Sa and Truong Sa.

Doctor of history Nguyen Nha and his European colleagues have discovered a very interesting detail: The Chinese in ancient and medieval ages were not interested in the sea. For them, the territory was called "江山" or "mountains and rivers", understood in the modern language as the mainland.

For the Vietnamese, territory had a broader sense, as “dat nuoc” (water and land) in Vietnamese. In the minds of the Vietnamese people, "dat nuoc" is a country including the mainland and islands.

However, the French were the first who distinguished the two archipelagos by two different names. The French’s historic documents show that Paracels or Hoang Sa is in the north and Spratley is in the south.

By the 1970s, the names of the two archipelagos were used uniformly and popularly.

In general, though the names are different, but in the ancient documents of Vietnam like “Dai Nam Thong Nhat Toan Do" (大南ー統全)(The Map of United Dai Nam), which was compiled in the Nguyen Dynasty in 1838 and “Bac Ky Hoi Do” (maps of the northern Vietnam), Hoang Sa and Truong Sa were drawn as a series of islands from north to south.

Hoang Sa - Truong Sa in feudal history

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The map published in 1749 by western navigators (Carte des Costes de Cochinchine Tunquin) , with Hoang Sa as Vietnam's territory.
To date, the oldest document that provides the most detailed description of Hoang Sa is the book “Phu Bien Tap Luc” (Miscellaneous Chronicles of the Pacified Frontier, 1776) by well-known Vietnamese historian Le Quy Don. This is a six-volume Chinese-language geography. It is a detailed description of the Nguyen dynasty's territories in Thuan Hoa and Quang Nam Provinces, and covers the outlying areas such as Hoang Sa.

Page 78 b and 79 a read as follows: “An Vinh Commune, Binh Son District, Quang Ngai Prefecture has a mountain [5] outside its seaport called Re Island, which is 30-li wide. It takes four watches to reach the island, on which there is a ward named Tu Chinh with bean-growing inhabitants. Further offshore are the Dai Truong Sa Islands, where there are plenty of sea products and other goods. It takes the Hoang Sa Flotilla, founded to collect those products and goods; three full days to reach the islands, which are near Bac Hai.”

“… Bình Son District of Quang Ngai Prefecture includes the coastal commune of An Vinh. Offshore to the northeast of An Vinh are many islands and approximately 130 mountains separated by waters which can take from few watches to few days to travel across. Streams of fresh water can be found on these mountains. Within the islands is a 30-li long, flat and wide golden sand bank, on which the water is so transparent that one can see through. The islands have many swift nests and hundreds or thousands of other kinds of birds; they alight around instead of avoiding humans. There are many curios on the sandbank. Among the volutes are the Indian volutes. An Indian volute here can be as big as a mat; on their ventral side are opaque beads, different from pearls, and are as big as fingertips; their shells can be carved to make identification badges or calcined to provide lime for house construction. There are also conches that can be used for furniture inlay, and Babylon shells. All snails here can be salted for food. The sea turtles are oversized. There is a sea soft-shell turtle called “hai ba” or “trang bong”, similar to but smaller than the normal hawksbill sea turtles; their thin shell can be used for furniture inlay, and their thumb-sized eggs can be salted for food. There is a kind of sea cucumbers called “dot dot”, normally seen when swimming about the shore; they can be used as food after lime treatment, gut removal and drying. Before serving “dot dot”, one should process it with freshwater crab extract and scrape all the dirt off. It will be better if cooked with shrimps and pork.

He also wrote: “Foreign boats often take refuge in these islands to avoid storms. The Nguyen rulers have established Hoang Sa Flotilla with 70 sailors selected from An Vinh commune on a rotation basis. Selected sailors receive their order in the third month of every year, bring with them sufficient food for six months, and sail on five small fishing boats for three full days to reach the islands. Once settled down on the islands, they are free to catch as many birds and fish as they like. They collect goods from boats passing by, such as sabers, jewelries, money, porcelain rings, and fur; they also collect plenty of sea turtle shells, sea cucumbers, and volute shells. The sailors return to mainland in the eighth month through Eo Seaport. On their return trip, they first sail to Phu Xuan Citadel, where the goods that they have collected shall be submitted to be measured and classified; they can then take their parts of volutes, sea turtles, and sea cucumbers for their own trading businesses, and receive licenses before going home. The amount of collected materials varies; sometimes the sailors could not collect anything at all. I have personally checked the notebook of the former flotilla captain Thuyen Duc Hau, which recorded the amount of collected goods: 30 scoops of silver in the year of Nham Ngo (1762), 5,100 catties of tin in the year of Giap Than (1764), 126 scoops of silver in the year of At Dau (1765), a few sea turtle shells each year from the year of Ky Suu (1769) to the year of Quy Ty (1773). There were also years when only cubic tin, porcelain bowls, and two copper guns were collected.

The Nguyen rulers also established Bac Hai Flotilla without a fixed number of sailors, selected from Tu Chinh Village in Binh Thuan or from Canh Duong Commune. Sailors are selected on a voluntary basis. Those who volunteer to join the flotilla will be exempted from poll tax, patrol and transportation fees. These sailors travel in small fishing boats to Bac Hai, Con Lon Island, and other islands in Ha Tien area, collecting goods from ships, and sea products such as turtles, abalones, and sea cucumbers. Bac Hai Flotilla is under the command of Hoang Sa Flotilla. The collected items are mostly sea products and rarely include jewelries.”

To be continued…

Duy Chien

* The article uses research materials by Dr. Han Nguyen Nguyen Nha, founder and advisor of the Cultural Education Fund in HCM City.

French didn't claim that islands as part of their Vietnam colonial territory, which later became the official border of modern state of Vietnam.

That is why during the French colonial time, before modern state of Vietnam exist, that islands became part of Republic of China. There were once French later tried to claim it, but get a strong protest from the RoC government. Although it later the islands felt into the Japanese hand in WW2, but it was officially returned again to China after the war is over.

People gain and lost many of their territory during the colonial era, it's time for Vietnamese to grow up and face the reality. Many people in SE Asia, South Asia, Middle East, America to Africa have that problem. If you want to protest, don't protest to China, but to your former colonial master France. I do believe Vietnam gained a lot of territory as well beside of lost, inherited from French, so why sad? China is also lost many territory.
 
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