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[Viet]

Mate, it's an rc toy; just look at its wing span and guess how long it can be.

22 meters wingspan

 

[MacanJawa]

Not T-54B, but a modernization program based on the T-55AM variant which reportedly called T-54/55AMV.

Upgrade package includes new FCS with wind sensor and laser rangefinder, thermal sleeve for the main gun, indigenous ERA, new engine to compensate for the additional weight from ERA blocks.

I'm not sure how many tanks will be upgraded this way.

since this old tank upgraded, what about T-90 aquisiton? canceled or delayed? or on track?

 

[Silent Knight]

since this old tank upgraded, what about T-90 aquisiton? canceled or delayed? or on track?

On track, maybe they will be revealed in 2017.

The upgrade package for T-54/55 is to maintain a number of capable tanks while slowly building the T-90 force. Much like how the Russian upgrade T-72 to B3 variant instead of going all out on T-90 and Armata T-14.

 

[Carlosa]

A bit of international news, Philippine president has done it again. President Obama has cancel a meeting with him because Duterte has directly insult his counterpart right before it. I gotta say 1 thing: Is this guy high or something ?

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/09/05/world/asia/ap-as-obama.html?_r=0

Is there was any chance of USA stopping the chinese from doing land reclamation in Scarborough Shoal, Duterte Harry just blew it big time. Now the chinese will do it for sure.

Another one in the long list of PH screw ups.

Its seem you still like to show off to people when you dont know anything eh ? RC toy ? Oh you happen to be on the development board of HS-6L or director of some UAV manufacturing companies ? If so let me ask you about the wing span of the MQ-9. Can you provide some comparison between the wingspan of the VN UAV wingspan and the MQ-9 Reaper ? You seem quite passionate about the wingspan since you use it to decide which is a RC toy right ? Just for your "ultra limited" brain, HS-6L has the wingspan, or sải cánh in Vietnamese, of 22 meters. The MQ-9 UAV only got 20 meters. You can google all of this on the Internet but no, you gotta show off something just for the heck of it. Or we commonly call "ném shit hội nghị". Or if you prefer, we will go deeper and see what are the criteria for you to decide if a machine is a RC toy and not a UAV. Hope its wont turn out like the silly crap you have about the Thailand Armed Forces.

A bit of international news, Philippine president has done it again. President Obama has cancel a meeting with him because Duterte has directly insult his counterpart right before it. I gotta say 1 thing: Is this guy high or something ?

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/09/05/world/asia/ap-as-obama.html?_r=0

What can you expect from a guy that says that Thailand can win a war against Vietnam any day?

Hellfire or Spike antitank missile. But the question is would the US administration approve such lethal weapon sale?

No reason why not, Hellfire is not much of a big deal as a missile and Spike is Israeli.

On track, maybe they will be revealed in 2017.

The upgrade package for T-54/55 is to maintain a number of capable tanks while slowly building the T-90 force. Much like how the Russian upgrade T-72 to B3 variant instead of going all out on T-90 and Armata T-14.

Cough... You forgot to mention the Vietnamese T-72... cough.... I think they are going to be upgraded soon according to A VERY RELIABLE RUSSIAN SOURCE, THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT MILITARY EXPORT AUTHORITY

 

[Silent Knight]

Cough... You forgot to mention the Vietnamese T-72... cough.... I think they are going to be upgraded soon according to A VERY RELIABLE RUSSIAN SOURCE, THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT MILITARY EXPORT AUTHORITY

Remember, folks, you heard nothing from me. You only heard it from Carlosa, he's responsible for every leaked information about the Vietnamese Armed Forces

Hellfire or Spike antitank missile. But the question is would the US administration approve such lethal weapon sale?

Spike, Konkurs, Kornet, Vikhr etc. So many options aside of the Hellfire.

 

[Carlosa]

Remember, folks, you heard nothing from me. You only heard it from Carlosa, he's responsible for every leaked information about the Vietnamese Armed Forces .

But of course, don't you know that I love green tea?

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Talking about tanks, here is a picture from a chinese newspaper of a Vietnamese military officer seating on the turret of an unknown tank. It is not a T-54 / 55 or 62. It appears to be a T-72.

 

[Silent Knight]

Talking about tanks, here is a picture from a chinese newspaper of a Vietnamese military officer seating on the turret of an unknown tank. It is not a T-54 / 55 or 62. It appears to be a T-72.

Indian T-72. It was taken during a visit of the VPA delegation.

 

[Viet]

since this old tank upgraded, what about T-90 aquisiton? canceled or delayed? or on track?

We need both. We need large number of tanks. We have China in the northern front that has some 9,000 tanks or more in the inventory. Cambodia and Thailand on the south eastern and eastern front that can field several hundreds tanks. Our goal should be having 2,000 tanks, with 1,000 existing various old tanks upgraded by improved combat capability and 1,000 new battle tanks as T72 and T90. Because of financial constraints it's understandable that can't be done by tomorrow but gradually over several years.

That is what I see by personal observation.


Another topic and under the radar

Welcome to Vietnam!

French president Francois Hollande on a historic state visit to Hanoi. He came from China after attending G20 summit. Many cooperation agreements are signed ranging from economy to defense.

 

[Viet]

Is there was any chance of USA stopping the chinese from doing land reclamation in Scarborough Shoal, Duterte Harry just blew it big time. Now the chinese will do it for sure.

Another one in the long list of PH screw ups.



What can you expect from a guy that says that Thailand can win a war against Vietnam any day?



No reason why not, Hellfire is not much of a big deal as a missile and Spike is Israeli.



Cough... You forgot to mention the Vietnamese T-72... cough.... I think they are going to be upgraded soon according to A VERY RELIABLE RUSSIAN SOURCE, THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT MILITARY EXPORT AUTHORITY

The thing is although Barack Obama lifts arms embargo, he demands before approval of any arms sale Vietnam improvement on human rights records. So it is difficult to know if hellfire will be approved or not. Same as for Spike missile. It is an Israeli product, but I think will be a no-go if the Obama administration disapproves.

As for the Philippines under Duterte, I don't understand why he does what he does because it is irresponsible and irrational. He makes his country to an incalculable risk.

 

[Carlosa]

The thing is although Barack Obama lifts arms embargo, he demands before approval of any arms sale Vietnam improvement on human rights records. So it is difficult to know if hellfire will be approved or not. Same as for Spike missile. It is an Israeli product, but I think will be a no-go if the Obama administration disapproves..

They are still demanding that?

 

[William Hung]

Regarding Duerte and the SCS/Scarborough shoal, I think that would be the least concern for the Filipinos. I doubt China will make any provocative move on that shoal soon. The Filipinos should be more concerned about Duerte and his attitude towards law and order and his promotion of extrajudicial killings. I thought he was only supporting it before election to get attention but now he really condones it. That is just crazy, encouraging civilians to kill others without going through the proper legal process. It means he has no regards for law and order. Even if the drug problem is so bad in his country, it just mean that the law enforcement and its legal justice system has failed, which further means that he should be working on that, instead of encouraging extrajudicial killings. Crazy.

 

[Viet]

They are still demanding that?

Obama said any sale of arms depends on Vietnam's human rights commitments, and made on a case-by-case basis. the means the US government can deny any arms request by Vietnam.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/23/obam...s-embargo-on-vietnam-sales-on-conditions.html

 

[Carlosa]

Regarding Duerte and the SCS/Scarborough shoal, I think that would be the least concern for the Filipinos. I doubt China will make any provocative move on that shoal soon. .

Just wait a few days / weeks.

Regarding Duerte and the SCS/Scarborough shoal, I think that would be the least concern for the Filipinos. I doubt China will make any provocative move on that shoal soon. The Filipinos should be more concerned about Duerte and his attitude towards law and order and his promotion of extrajudicial killings. I thought he was only supporting it before election to get attention but now he really condones it. That is just crazy, encouraging civilians to kill others without going through the proper legal process. It means he has no regards for law and order. Even if the drug problem is so bad in his country, it just mean that the law enforcement and its legal justice system has failed, which further means that he should be working on that, instead of encouraging extrajudicial killings. Crazy.

Yes, quite crazy, but his approval rate just shoot up to 91%, so nothing will change.

Obama said any sale of arms depends on Vietnam's human rights commitments, and made on a case-by-case basis. the means the US government can deny any arms request by Vietnam.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/23/obam...s-embargo-on-vietnam-sales-on-conditions.html

The geopolitical situation in the region should be priority considering what's going on there.

Well, then VN should buy the P-3s from Japan and maybe go for Gripen E for the light fighter requirement.

Remember, folks, you heard nothing from me. You only heard it from Carlosa, he's responsible for every leaked information about the Vietnamese Armed Forces .

Do you know if there is any actual REAL interest in Gripen E?

 

[Viet]

Just wait a few days / weeks.



Yes, quite crazy, but his approval rate just shoot up to 91%, so nothing will change.

I just read the news:

Duterte declares the state of emergency over the Philippines. without approval of the parliament, without time limit. the bill gives sweeping powers to the police and armed forces. First, yesterday killing drugs dealers and consumers on public streets, and now terrorists and separatists, tomorrow maybe communists and socialists, after tomorrow the rest. Crazy at best. we can forget to count the Philippines as ally in the South China sea.

no wonder Chinese applaud Duterte for his stance because he leads the country into abyss.

 

[William Hung]

Hollande wants FREMM frigate deals with Vietnam


French president on state visit to Hanoi calls for increased cooperation, peaceful solution to South China Sea dispute

World Bulletin / News Desk

France's president has called for increased defense cooperation between his country and Vietnam during a state visit to Hanoi on Tuesday.

Without going into specific arrangements, Francois Hollande called for France to help bolster Vietnam’s military capabilities for the purposes of international peacekeeping operations during a speech at Vietnam National University.

Hollande also reaffirmed France’s position that the South China Sea dispute, which involves overlapping maritime claims between China, Vietnam and several others, should be resolved peacefully.
France, which was Vietnam’s colonial master until it was defeated by local communist forces in 1954, has grown closer to Vietnam in recent years as Hanoi seeks to build bridges with its former foes.
The last visit from a French head of state to Vietnam was in 2004 when President Jacques Chirac made a trip.

France has emerged as one of the European Union's primary proponents of increased naval patrols in the South China Sea in response to China’s claim to most of the waters.

Speaking last June at the Shangri-La Dialogue in Singapore, French Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian urged EU countries to step up naval patrols in waters claimed by China but recognized as international under United Nations conventions.

"If we want to contain the risk of conflict, we must defend this right, and defend it ourselves," said Le Drian.

http://www.worldbulletin.net/todays-news/177072/hollande-wants-further-defense-deals-with-vietnam

Just wait a few days / weeks.

I somehow doubt that will happen. Well, if the Chinese leaders have any common sense, they would know now would be a good time to woo Duterte. But given all their previous diplomatic blunders, I wouldn’t be surprised if they somehow screw up again, so maybe you are right.

Yes, quite crazy, but his approval rate just shoot up to 91%, so nothing will change.

Thats what I meant, the Filipinos should be worried about the direction that their country is heading towards. When a ruler act above the law, he is a dictator...when a ruler encourages others to act above the law, then he is just insane. Its like he wants an anarchy state, with no regards to any judicial system.