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I like your confidence. You can treat the news as fake. With high accuracy calculation, a small push from debris is powerful enough to change the satellite orbit and make the satellite falling to earth. That's orbit dynamics. That's part of the reason we develop world's fastest computer.

there are already too many debris on the orbit. We won't expect China to clean all of them in foreseeable future. What we are doing is to gradual cleaning up the large pieces that likely to pose direct threat to our most valuable space assets.

Even if some of our satellites hit by trash and falling down, so what? We will launch a new one to make the old one replaced. That's it. That's why we develop and test the fast launch system below. You want to run a satellite launching contest with us?
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ehhh I believe you have gone too far now. My previous response was to the poster Capri some lines above, claiming China would destroy enemy satellites once war starts. because in doing so, you would destroy your satellites, too by 1,000,000s of debris particles. well, unless you pushed enemy satellites down to earth or into outer space.

no. I don´t expect China to clean all of debris in orbit, just yours.

no. we have no money nor resources to run a satellite launching contest with China.
 
And lets not forget that Liaoning's propulsion is crap, it always navigates with several tug boats because the propulsion can fail at any time.
It just shows how much you really understand about Aircraft Carrier.

BTW Liaoning steam engine can cruise at up to 32 knot
What make you think I have underestimate the Liaoning for what she is ? The Liaoning is a training vessel. Her configuration is not likely up to wartime standards. Her crew is still essentially learning the uniqueness of running an aircraft carrier. Her fleet is still in the same status as her crew -- training. The Liaoning is not a credible threat.

So how long does it takes to train the entire AIRCRAFT CARRIER crew?

Until another new AIRCRAFT CARRIER is ready. If we take India construction SCHEDULE as an example then it should be more than 12 years perhaps, right! :what:

All the Aircraft Carrier with boiler propulsion are crap. Same case with Indian Navy's INS Vikramaditya.

Boiler is 19th century technology, and of no use in world of CODAG or COGAG. The first high tech carrier in Asia will be INS Vikrant.

Really! So in your opinion, INS Vikrant will the first high tech carrier in Asia with its ski-jump ramp although it is only 40,000 tons while the only Indian fighter aircraft that can land on it will be the MiG29K. So what will be the powerplant of the INS Vikrant? The GE LM2500 gas turbine that is similar to those powering the China navy 051B Shenzhen Destroyer today.

China do not use any steam boilers in their warships with the exception of the Liaoning CV-16 whose powerplant came together with the empty hull.
 
It just shows how much you really understand about Aircraft Carrier.

BTW Liaoning steam engine can cruise at up to 32 knot

I understand enough to know that is a piece of crap.

Yes, 32 knots, when it works, which is not for long or often. Its a port queen, but I have to say that it also has positives, it is a nice, fat target for the US Navy after all.
 
ehhh I believe you have gone too far now. My previous response was to the poster Capri some lines above, claiming China would destroy enemy satellites once war starts. because in doing so, you would destroy your satellites, too by 1,000,000s of debris particles. well, unless you pushed enemy satellites down to earth or into outer space.

no. I don´t expect China to clean all of debris in orbit, just yours.

no. we have no money nor resources to run a satellite launching contest with China.
ok. Let's stop the debate on satellite shooting for now and leave the thread to Vietnam military topics.
 
I understand enough to know that is a piece of crap.

Yes, 32 knots, when it works, which is not for long.

We do not know that for sure until we checked it out with Russia, China and India.

So in your opinion, all AIRCRAFT CARRIERS that uses STEAM BOILERS are crap,right.

Well that the only type of powerplant that is made available to India today by Russia. In the case of Liaoning, it came attached to the hull. CV17 will be definitely using China designed and made gas turbine engines.
 
We do not know that for sure until we checked it out with Russia, China and India.

So in your opinion, all AIRCRAFT CARRIERS that uses STEAM BOILERS are crap,right.

Well that the only type of powerplant that is made available to India today by Russia. In the case of Liaoning, it came attached to the hull. CV17 will be definitely using China designed and made gas turbine engines.

No, I did not say that all AIRCRAFT CARRIERS that uses STEAM BOILERS are crap. I'm saying that that particular Ukrainian propulsion system is crap and if you actually know anything about it, you should know its true.

Chinese gas turbine engines are known to not be very good, Type 52 destroyer propulsion system has quite a bit of issues although not as serious as Liaoning.
 
sorry, Did China just draw a new dashed line around our Vietnam military news section?
Now they bring aircraft carriers and nukes in here?
 
It just shows how much you really understand about Aircraft Carrier.

BTW Liaoning steam engine can cruise at up to 32 knot
If that is true, that does not say much for the Liaoning as any level of a threat. Keep it as a training vessel.

So how long does it takes to train the entire AIRCRAFT CARRIER crew?

Until another new AIRCRAFT CARRIER is ready. If we take India construction SCHEDULE as an example then it should be more than 12 years perhaps, right!
How about yrs ? Never mind the Indians. Look at US considering how experience we are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise_fire

How would the training crew on the Liaoning handle something like what happened to the USS Enterprise ?

Am not saying that the PLAN must create such a disaster to give the Liaoning training crew experience. But what I am saying is that even an unfortunate event can be a learning experience and that cannot be dismissed. What happened on the Enterprise have been studied and responses formulated. In future wars, later generations of USN carrier crews will be better equipped than anyone else on how to handle emergencies like that. This kind of institutional knowledge you cannot buy with money.

But here is something that the PDF Chinese and you missed: Knowing that an opponent is inexperience is itself a tactical advantage.

Because you have been there. You know what it is like being confused, have no or little information to help make decisions, blind, deaf, and dumb. But now you know better and the other guy does not.

Not only that, we have a glimpse of how the PLA operates. Its officer corps is not half as flexible as ours, and its NCO corps is less than half capable as ours. The entire PLA structure is still mired in centralized planning, aka micromanagement. Any real military professional will tell you that the NCO corps is what WILL make or break a military. Not some obscure book written a couple thousand yrs ago. Not fervent nationalism. Not political indoctrination. But how do the officers and their NCOs handle crises when they do not have the information they want or even no support ?

The PLA do not have even 1/10th the experience the US military does in modern warfare.
 
You are very generous, they don't even have 1%.
Autsch...that is a harsh assessment. Haven't the Chinese a lot of warships and sailors capable fighting modern naval battles, well at least in simulator?
 
Autsch...that is a harsh assessment. Haven't the Chinese a lot of warships and sailors capable fighting modern naval battles, well at least in simulator?

Not at all, Gambit said: "experience in modern warfare". When was the last time that the chinese have been engaged in modern warfare?
 
Not at all, Gambit said: "experience in modern warfare". When was the last time that the chinese have been engaged in modern warfare?
Ehrrrr actually not yet. Chinese navy still has to prove in real battles. But to be fair, only a handful countries had seen real major naval engagements in the last century: Russia, Japan, Germany, Italy, France, Britain and of course the United States.

But how do you assess Chinese weaponry against ships, for example ballistic antiship missile?
 
Is the Galil assault rifle phasing out the AKs in service with Ground forces?
 
It just shows how much you really understand about Aircraft Carrier.

BTW Liaoning steam engine can cruise at up to 32 knot


So how long does it takes to train the entire AIRCRAFT CARRIER crew?

Until another new AIRCRAFT CARRIER is ready. If we take India construction SCHEDULE as an example then it should be more than 12 years perhaps, :what:



Really! So in your opinion, INS Vikrant will the first high tech carrier in Asia with its ski-jump ramp although it is only 40,000 tons while the only Indian fighter aircraft that can land on it will be the MiG29K. So what will be the powerplant of the INS Vikrant? The GE LM2500 gas turbine that is similar to those powering the China navy 051B Shenzhen Destroyer today.

China do not use any steam boilers in their warships with the exception of the Liaoning CV-16 whose powerplant came together with the empty hull.
STechnology anything to do with tonnage? Are you serious?

Neither india use steam boilers in any of warship except INS Vikky, further GE LM2500 used in P-17 and in upcoming P-17 A project.
 
Not at all, Gambit said: "experience in modern warfare". When was the last time that the chinese have been engaged in modern warfare?
Ehrrrr actually not yet. Chinese navy still has to prove in real battles. But to be fair, only a handful countries had seen real major naval engagements in the last century: Russia, Japan, Germany, Italy, France, Britain and of course the United States.

But how do you assess Chinese weaponry against ships, for example ballistic antiship missile?
Most people do not understand the significance of immediate post WW II when it comes to military postures.

When WW II ended, the US was the only blue water navy. All the major naval powers were either destroyed outright or severely diminished in size and capability. Yes, naval powers like France and Britain could travel the seas, but not without US support.

http://www.history.navy.mil/research/histories/ship-histories/us-ship-force-levels.html

By the end of WW II, as the chart shows, the US have over 6000 ships, ranging from submarines to battleships to aircraft carriers. The US was the undisputed supreme naval power never seen in history. That is no hyperbole, and I am Air Force.

WW II not only destroyed the navies of many countries, the war killed many of their most capable and experience leaders. Further, their countries' industrial base were either destroyed or severely degraded. In the case of Japan and Germany, both were nearly back in the Stone Age.

So if we want to talk about 'modern warfare', immediately post WW II is the start of that era. WW II was the first time fleets fought each other without seeing each other, thanks to air power. That mean -- at least on paper -- any navy without an aircraft carrier is essentially defeated when faced an opponent navy who has one. Would anyone dare to test out that theory ? So far, no one tried.

The Royal Navy have this rule...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Royal_Navy
The standard called for the Royal Navy to be as strong as the world's next two largest navies combined (at that point, France and Russia) by maintaining a number of battleships at least equal to their combined strength.
Not too many countries can afford to exercise that rule. Technology expanded that rule. Back then, the word 'strong' means numerical values of ships, along with how many cannons, and calibers of those cannons, and how fast are those ships.

That is not so today. Modern warfare make it possible for smaller and fewer ships to defeat a numerically larger opponent. So even if China can build more ships than US, the combined value from technology and combat experience factors still have the US on top by a large margin. The PLAN essentially was birthed after WW II. It was a baby when the USN was a battle scarred and hardened adult, and continued to occasionally take on someone to this day.

The PLAN is still struggling to modernize itself while the USN continues rewriting the book on naval warfare. If anyone can do away with the aircraft carrier, it will be US. If anyone can bring back the battleship as a modern combat platform, it will be US. If anyone can make a helo-carrier like in the Avengers movies, it will be US. :enjoy:

If there is a shooting fight between the USN and the PLAN, it will be a lopsided battle with the PLAN ships ended up as artificial reefs.
 

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