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[Viet]

Infantry supporting tanks is ideal and usual but not vice versa. Tanks usually form into brigades/divisions and operate with other fighting troops, supply and logistic. Tanks seldom operate alone. the infantry secures the flanks and suppresses enemy fire targeting the own advancing tanks.

If just using tanks as support for infantrymen, all of the advantages that make tank to a fighting machine will go: speed, firepower, armor and thrust.

 

[Carlosa]

Infantry supporting tanks is ideal and usual but not vice versa. Tanks usually form into brigades/divisions and operate with other fighting troops, supply and logistic. Tanks seldom operate alone. the infantry secures the flanks and suppresses enemy fire targeting the own advancing tanks.

If just using tanks as support for infantrymen, all of the advantages that make tank to a fighting machine will go: speed, firepower, armor and thrust.

You are generally correct, but we are not talking about normal tanks as infantry support, we are talking about old tanks such as T-54 / 55 being used as IFV platforms and that is very normal. Instead of having the infantry or APCs being supported by an IFV such as the BMP-3 that has a 100 mm gun, we are talking about those same units being supported by T-54 / 55s which also happen to have a 100 mm gun. Same role and very similar vehicle, but those old tanks have actually better protection than an IFV and even more if they are upgraded, so what Vietnam is doing is totally correct.

 

[T-55]

Just a small selection of photos taken in one of the first groups of armed Viet Minh, who fought for independence from the French in Vietnam; ~ 1950 Year(sorry if repost)

sorce 477768 - На первой Индокитайской

 

[Viet]

You are generally correct, but we are not talking about normal tanks as infantry support, we are talking about old tanks such as T-54 / 55 being used as IFV platforms and that is very normal. Instead of having the infantry or APCs being supported by an IFV such as the BMP-3 that has a 100 mm gun, we are talking about those same units being supported by T-54 / 55s which also happen to have a 100 mm gun. Same role and very similar vehicle, but those old tanks have actually better protection than an IFV and even more if they are upgraded, so what Vietnam is doing is totally correct.

yes.
against heavy armored chinese tanks such as T99 and the likes, our T54/55 tanks are too weak. they have little chance. no, the old tanks are good against their light armored infantry, or attacking their supply lines. but no more. we have to wait until the T72/90s are inducted into the army, and form the backbone of our tank armies. do you know if our SPG-9 can destroy their tanks? maybe the SPG gun has a chance if firing at close distance.

 

[Carlosa]

yes.
against heavy armored chinese tanks such as T99 and the likes, our T54/55 tanks are too weak. they have little chance. no, the old tanks are good against their light armored infantry, or attacking their supply lines. but no more. do you know if our SPG-9 can destroy their tanks? maybe the SPG gun has a chance if firing at close distance.

I don't think the SPG-9 can do it man, it can probably stop the tank if it hits their wheels, etc, but can't penetrate the armor unless it is against older chinese tanks.

Yes, for infantry support, the T-54 / 55 is good and once upgraded it should be great.

Just imagine, chinese formation coming up with APCs and IFVs which is typical and usually carry 30 mm guns. The upgraded T-55s with an updated fire control system will fire first and blow them up in no time. Its very useful. And with the new ERA blocks they actually have decent protection.

Sure, the chinese will also have anti tank missiles and there will be losses, but still, better to have those upgraded old tanks rather than BMP-1 / 2s. Definitely better firepower and range.

yes.
against heavy armored chinese tanks such as T99 and the likes, our T54/55 tanks are too weak. they have little chance. no, the old tanks are good against their light armored infantry, or attacking their supply lines. but no more. we have to wait until the T72/90s are inducted into the army, and form the backbone of our tank armies. do you know if our SPG-9 can destroy their tanks? maybe the SPG gun has a chance if firing at close distance.

If you are chinese mechanized infantry, wouldn't you feel a bit worried about your future if you see these things (T-55AMV) coming right at you?

 

[Aqsuperman]

In the worst case , we will started fielding our secretly smugged M1 Abrams :v

 

[initial_d]

In the worst case , we will started fielding our secretly smugged M1 Abrams :v

If vietnam want more tank, Vietnam should start negotiating with germany to purchase leopard 2A4 or A6 like we indonesian did. Cheap modern MBT plus we got marder ifv as bonuses

 

[Carlosa]

If vietnam want more tank, Vietnam should start negotiating with germany to purchase leopard 2A4 or A6 like we indonesian did. Cheap modern MBT plus we got marder ifv as bonuses

Those are definitely very cheap when looking at source pricing, but I'm not so sure after the "marketing incentives" get built into the price, he he.

 

[Aqsuperman]

well the tank price alone is cheap indeed , but the housing , supply and maintance facilities is another thing , the standards are also different to our current Soviet armored vehicle which will require plenty of training...............We may end up with more trouble than before :v

 

[Carlosa]

If vietnam want more tank, Vietnam should start negotiating with germany to purchase leopard 2A4 or A6 like we indonesian did. Cheap modern MBT plus we got marder ifv as bonuses

Actually, I don't think Germany will sell any more of those; they reversed course because of their new situation with Russia, now they want to keep them for themselves.

 

[Viet]

Tonight, a small german TV broadcaster "rtl nitro" features one of the most expensive and sophisticated Vietnamese martial arts films ever: Blood Letter (vietnamese: Thiên Mệnh Anh Hùng), directed by Victor Vu. the plot: Nguyen Vu is the sole survivor of his family who was executed by the empress of Vietnam. Upon discovering that his family may have been framed for crimes they did not commit, he sets out to bring justice and clear his family name.

Why I post it here? because the film brings us a bit back to the history of the Kingdom of Vietnam.

http://www.noz.de/deutschland-welt/...-blood-letter-schrift-des-blutes-auf-rtlnitro

 

[xesy]

For you guys who wonder what a VNese anti-tank unit has to offer in term of anti-vehicle fire power. A team around 5-7 soldiers can work alone or cooperate with other units.

 

[Carlosa]

Another picture of the ongoing reclamation going on at Big Spratly Island (Truong Sa Long).

Can anybody run this image through a Google image search in order to find the original image without the chinese flag? I'm in China at the moment and I can't do it myself since china bans and blocks everything Google. Thanks.

 

[zhkf]

 

[Carlosa]

View attachment 240661

Thank you very much, much better quality picture too.

Here is a version of that pic enlarged and sharpened: