Vietnam Defence Forum

[NiceGuy]

we can look at Japanese, let ÚS army stationed in Okinawa too.

But we can have provision condition for that US soldier could not go to surroundings area to make troubles with the people are living there. They can fly to Thailand to take a relax.
We will limit them US personals, like what we did with Russian soldiers in Nha Trang military base in the past.

JP lost in WW2, so US troops can station any where in JP without JP's approval. So, if someone want US troop in VN, then, they should help US to defeat VN like defeating JP.

Except US can provide a great help like USSR, otherwhile, its never happen.

 

[ice bomb]

You are the one talking bs kid, those old, incomplete sources is all you have to show? You only show that you don't know sh...t kid, go troll somewhere else and start to do your homework for a change.

Hmm like me see:

Carlyle A. Thayer
Carlyle A. Thayer is Emeritus Professor, The University of New South Wales at the Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra. He was educated at Brown and holds an M.A. in Southeast Asian Studies from Yale and a PhD in International Relations from The Australian National University. Professor Thayer is a Vietnam country expert and a Southeast Asia regional specialist. He has over 400 publications to his name including: Vietnam People's Army: Development and Modernization.
Bandar Seri Begawan: Sultan Haji Hassanal Bolkiah Institute of Defence and Strategic Studies, 2009 and War By Other Means:
National Liberation and Revolution in Vietnam, 1954-1960. Boston and London: Unwin Hyman Ltd., 1989.


Carlosa something(his/her internet name).
Education: zero
credentials: zero

You will excuse me if I prefer Dr. Thayers paper before your trollings.

 

[Viet]

14.07.2014
Tammy Pham (Vietnam Film Club) interviewed Carlyle Thayer about the recent escalation with China, due to deployment of an oil rig into Vietnam EEZ. The move has pushed the relationship of both nations into a crisis not seen since the normalization 24 years ago.

 

[Viet]

JP lost in WW2, so US troops can station any where in JP without JP's approval. So, if someone want US troop in VN, then, they should help US to defeat VN like defeating JP.

Except US can provide a great help like USSR, otherwhile, its never happen.

Never say No.

our policy should be driven by pragmatism not dogmatism. enemy turns to friend and vice versa. past is past, today is today. common startegic interests and trust bound nations together.

the US armed forces do not need 650,000 men like they had deployed to Vietnam during the war. we don´t need a huge number, just so some 2,500 marines, similar to the size what the US deploys to Australia.

Important is the message: if you mess with Vietnam, so you will have to take on America as well! communist China seeks to change the status quo by force and we have to calculate with the worst. making ally with superpower America will increase our defence and offensive capability. With America, we can acquire modern weapons systems. Yeah why not, we can even theoretically acquire nuclear weapons and realize the indochinese confederation.

I can imagine, the US marines, air and naval forces could station in Danang. the city has air and sea ports, strategically located next to the SC Sea. America is very familar to Danang as it hosted a former US key military installation.

US General Martin Dempsey was there.

 

[Carlosa]

Hmm like me see:

Carlyle A. Thayer
Carlyle A. Thayer is Emeritus Professor, The University of New South Wales at the Australian Defence Force Academy, Canberra. He was educated at Brown and holds an M.A. in Southeast Asian Studies from Yale and a PhD in International Relations from The Australian National University. Professor Thayer is a Vietnam country expert and a Southeast Asia regional specialist. He has over 400 publications to his name including: Vietnam People's Army: Development and Modernization.
Bandar Seri Begawan: Sultan Haji Hassanal Bolkiah Institute of Defence and Strategic Studies, 2009 and War By Other Means:
National Liberation and Revolution in Vietnam, 1954-1960. Boston and London: Unwin Hyman Ltd., 1989.


Carlosa something(his/her internet name).
Education: zero
credentials: zero

You will excuse me if I prefer Dr. Thayers paper before your trollings.

You will excuse me if I prefer up to date information rather than a 5 year old article.

 

[Carlosa]

Never say No.

our policy should be driven by pragmatism not dogmatism. enemy turns to friend and vice versa. past is past, today is today. common startegic interests and trust bound nations together.

the US armed forces do not need 650,000 men like they had deployed to Vietnam during the war. we don´t need a huge number, just so some 2,500 marines, similar to the size what the US deploys to Australia.

Important is the message: if you mess with Vietnam, so you will have to take on America as well! communist China seeks to change the status quo by force and we have to calculate with the worst. making ally with superpower America will increase our defence and offensive capability. With America, we can acquire modern weapons systems. Yeah why not, we can even theoretically acquire nuclear weapons and realize the indochinese confederation.

I can imagine, the US marines, air and naval forces could station in Danang. the city has air and sea ports, strategically located next to the SC Sea. America is very familar to Danang as it hosted a former US key military installation.

US General Martin Dempsey was there.

I like the idea of a US military presence in Danang and Cam Ranh bay if they sign a defense treaty with full guarantees like the one with Japan. The airfield and naval base in Danang are rather small, they would need to be expanded.

 

[ice bomb]

You will excuse me if I prefer up to date information rather than a 5 year old article.

Well, I am still here when you are ready to provide us with your up to date "information".

 

[Rechoice]

Lol I think you should come back to us as uppon a time call Nan yue...it's still not too late.

when you are Han Chinese, you can challenge us like this or threat or bully if you want to say

but you are Cantonese, so better for you, to shoot up, do business and pay tax for Han Chinese.

 

[NiceGuy]

Never say No.

our policy should be driven by pragmatism not dogmatism. enemy turns to friend and vice versa. past is past, today is today. common startegic interests and trust bound nations together.

the US armed forces do not need 650,000 men like they had deployed to Vietnam during the war. we don´t need a huge number, just so some 2,500 marines, similar to the size what the US deploys to Australia.

Important is the message: if you mess with Vietnam, so you will have to take on America as well! communist China seeks to change the status quo by force and we have to calculate with the worst. making ally with superpower America will increase our defence and offensive capability. With America, we can acquire modern weapons systems. Yeah why not, we can even theoretically acquire nuclear weapons and realize the indochinese confederation.

I can imagine, the US marines, air and naval forces could station in Danang. the city has air and sea ports, strategically located next to the SC Sea. America is very familar to Danang as it hosted a former US key military installation.

US General Martin Dempsey was there.

U should know that US is far more dangerous than PLA army . US can turn VN into civil war again with their 'color revolt. ' when China can not.

Just look at Lybia,Syria , yesterday, they were very good US-EU friend . In the next day, they suddenly become US-EU's enemies and Colonel Gaddafi got head shot after that.

SO, if they dont treat VN like trustworthy friend, then, we can not rely on a so called 'alliance' with them.

 

[poopnose456]

@NiceGuy It's nice for you to point that out, but that's very unlikely to happen though, due to Vietnam's Strategic Position in Southeast Asia, Growing Economy, and a growing threat (China). Syria and Libya yes used to be US friends, which probably deteriorated due to our true friendship with Israel.

 

[NiceGuy]

@NiceGuy It's nice for you to point that out, but that's very unlikely to happen though, due to Vietnam's Strategic Position in Southeast Asia, Growing Economy, and a growing threat (China). Syria and Libya yes used to be US friends, which probably deteriorated due to our true friendship with Israel.

We should think abt how to stand firmly on our own foot than thinking abt the 'help' of the foreigners . We have 90 millions plus 3 or 4 millions over sea VNese. SO, we can accept the casualties up to 30 millions in the next war.

War is a good reason to kill some coward VNese if they think abt surrender to the enemies.

 

[poopnose456]

@NiceGuy Vietnam need's the help of foreigners for Military equipment, supplies, and Military support. Without it, Vietnam has less and weaker capabilities than China, and unlike you, I Value Human Life.

 

[xesy]

@NiceGuy Vietnam need's the help of foreigners for Military equipment, supplies, and Military support. Without it, Vietnam has less and weaker capabilities than China, and unlike you, I Value Human Life.

Don't talk with @NiceGuy about human life. He is ready to sacrifice 10 millions VNese if we fight China. Anyone who don't ready to do that, he will call them cowards.

Personally, I don't think US and VN could reach an agreement of US troops stationing in VN anytime soon. Here are some reasons:
1. The VN war outcome was pretty clear: VN declared themselves victors, US called it strategic retreat and US citizens thought of it as a shameful defeat. Many VNese, including the leaders have been overconfident about VNese war capability and believe they won't need help from the country they beated in the past.
2. US and Japan were enemies, and JP was deafeted. That's why US stations their troops in JP as they see fit. US and VN were enemies, and US was force to withdraw troops before the end of the war, that was a political defeat. So the victor now seeks the loser for help. I believe both side won't throw away their face for that agreement.
3. Security problem: won't the US troops of this generation hold any grudge towards VNese for the casuality during the war? And what about the opposite? US had dominant power over JP so they could supperess any incident happened during their occupation. JP army was almost downgrade to police force after WW2. With VN, things get complicated. VN won't trust US to the degree of leaving their back open to US. With each US troop in VN, there must be 2,3 VNese troops watching over their every action. And when a clash between a US and a VNese, are you sure it will be contained? Won't things escalate to a skirmish, or even a war?

And of course China will jump up and down if US troop comes too close. So that won't happen soon.

 

[NiceGuy]

@NiceGuy Vietnam need's the help of foreigners for Military equipment, supplies, and Military support. Without it, Vietnam has less and weaker capabilities than China, and unlike you, I Value Human Life.

My friend, a normal soldier, work for a military petroleum company just has got the order to transfer to Spratly at any time. We r at the state of war now, all troops r ready to fight . Many VN guys will have to join the army and die in the next war soon, 10 Millions casualties is acceptable .

 

[xesy]

My friend, a normal soldier, work for a military petroleum company just has got the order to transfer to Spratly at any time. We r at the state of war now, all troops r ready to fight . Many VN guys will have to join the army and die in the next war soon, 10 Millions casualties is acceptable .

Unless it turns out to be an all-out war and Chinese infantry and tank cross the border, you won't have the chance to fight. A naval clash will be lighting fast, and an island battlefield make both side limit the force size and only send their best troops there. Why wait till the war to throw away your life to do something for the country? Work now, pay the tax, donate money for the army. That's much better than throwing away your life.