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We lost Paracels. We lost parts of Spratlys. We will lose more if overestimate our strength.
We lost Paracel when North VN must focus on taking Sout VN in 1974. We lost parts of Spratly in 1988 when our troops must stay in Las-Cam to fight against Thai-Pol Pot wt full support from CN-US, and our economy was so bad in 1988 due to US sanction.

Now, we have no more problem wt Pol pot, no more US sanction to VN, we can focus 100% on SCS ( east VN sea) issue.CN PLA now just a cheap joke, thats why CN lost i oil rig conflict i 2014.

And why would China need human wave attack with all the weapons it currently has? That makes no sense. While China is not a peer to US military wise, China is still gunning for the US position in the military sphere. If China is gunning for US position, my logical assumption is that China can already give a strong blow to most regional militaries, including Vietnam imo. @Viet is 100% correct to say VIetnam should not overestimate itself. China can overwhelm you in multiple ways.
VN also have better weapons, not mentioning if VN cover SCS( east VN sea) wt seamines, then CN economy will collapse cos CN merchant ships from Middle east, Africa, Singapore cant pass through.

Sea mines r enough to destroy CN economy, thats why CN say SCS( east VN sea) is her core interest even when she only control 10-12% there due to her army suck.

CN army is always suck since ancient time.only US is a real threat to VN.
 
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We lost Paracel when North VN must focus on taking Sout VN in 1974. We lost parts of Spratly in 1988 when our troops must stay in Las-Cam to fight against Thai-Pol Pot wt full support from CN-US, and our economy was so bad in 1988 due to US sanction.

Now, we have no more problem wt Pol pot, no more US sanction to VN, we can focus 100% on SCS ( east VN sea) issue.CN PLA now just a cheap joke, thats why CN lost i oil rig conflict i 2014.


VN also have better weapons, not mentioning if VN cover SCS( east VN sea) wt seamines, then CN economy will collapse cos CN merchant ships from Middle east, Africa, Singapore cant pass through.

Sea mines r enough to destroy CN economy, thats why CN say SCS( east VN sea) is her core interest even when she only control 10-12% there due to her army suck.

CN army is always suck since ancient time.only US is a real threat to VN.
Taking down a country's economy by blocking their water trading route isn't as easy as you depicted. Especially concerning countries like China.

Just take a look at Nazi Germany's Wolfpack. They sunk many ships, yes, but they lost all the same. And that was half a century ago.

Not to mention China's military. At current state their strength surpass every single SEA country's. Granted, war can be won via political means, but still....let's not instigate. Just be defensive for now.
 
Taking down a country's economy by blocking their water trading route isn't as easy as you depicted. Especially concerning countries like China.

Just take a look at Nazi Germany's Wolfpack. They sunk many ships, yes, but they lost all the same. And that was half a century ago.

Not to mention China's military. At current state their strength surpass every single SEA country's. Granted, war can be won via political means, but still....let's not instigate. Just be defensive for now.
Whatever, CN is always cheap in VNese eyes when they only know human wave tactic. CN just lost in 2014 conflict,too. Show that CN will win in the next VN-CN conflict before boasting :cool:
 
Whatever, CN is always cheap in VNese eyes when they only know human wave tactic. CN just lost in 2014 conflict,too. Show that CN will win in the next VN-CN conflict before boasting :cool:
See? That's the problem with your judgement. Just because you think something or someone sucks doesn't mean it does. Opinion =/= Facts. I don't like what China does in SCS as well. But I'm also not a chauvinist.

Hey Aq @Aqsuperman, whatdya think?
 
We lost Paracel when North VN must focus on taking Sout VN in 1974. We lost parts of Spratly in 1988 when our troops must stay in Las-Cam to fight against Thai-Pol Pot wt full support from CN-US, and our economy was so bad in 1988 due to US sanction.

Now, we have no more problem wt Pol pot, no more US sanction to VN, we can focus 100% on SCS ( east VN sea) issue.CN PLA now just a cheap joke, thats why CN lost i oil rig conflict i 2014.


VN also have better weapons, not mentioning if VN cover SCS( east VN sea) wt seamines, then CN economy will collapse cos CN merchant ships from Middle east, Africa, Singapore cant pass through.

Sea mines r enough to destroy CN economy, thats why CN say SCS( east VN sea) is her core interest even when she only control 10-12% there due to her army suck.

CN army is always suck since ancient time.only US is a real threat to VN.
Things are not that easy bro. It’s good to be confident but consider this: South Vietnam has better warships with more firepower but lost Paracels because she underestimated the Chinese Navy, hence unprepared, in addition not knowing the Chinese were ready for a full scale war. Without the backing of the US Navy with nuclear umbrella, South Vietnam could not risk it. The US was about to withdraw from Vietnam. That’s a hard lesson.

Never underestimate the enemy, calculate the unknowns, make sure at next time we have the backing of a superpower.

Taking down a country's economy by blocking their water trading route isn't as easy as you depicted. Especially concerning countries like China.

Just take a look at Nazi Germany's Wolfpack. They sunk many ships, yes, but they lost all the same. And that was half a century ago.

Not to mention China's military. At current state their strength surpass every single SEA country's. Granted, war can be won via political means, but still....let's not instigate. Just be defensive for now.
Vietnam can’t do alone. Let’s assume the US won’t intervene, only together with Japan and India we could inflict serious damage, bringing China economy to a standstill by sea mines, submarines and land/sea attack missiles. Such scenario can be interestingly read in fiction book as Shattered Trident. But there is a risk of a nuclear war.


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See? That's the problem with your judgement. Just because you think something or someone sucks doesn't mean it does. Opinion =/= Facts. I don't like what China does in SCS as well. But I'm also not a chauvinist.

Hey Aq @Aqsuperman, whatdya think?
CN economy is falling and this time, its CN ,not VN, is under US sanction.

Your country never get a real US sanction, so u guys simply dont know how hard it is ( just look at the economy of N.Korea, Iran for some ideas abt US sanction). CN economy is just too bad now, Xi is very worry abt it and even set the growth for 2019 is just 6% ( 2018 is 6,8%). Wt a very bad economy situation like that, CN simply cant be a threat to VN.

Things are not that easy bro. It’s good to be confident but consider this: South Vietnam has better warships with more firepower but lost Paracels because she underestimated the Chinese Navy, hence unprepared, in addition not knowing the Chinese were ready for a full scale war. Without the backing of the US Navy with nuclear umbrella, South Vietnam could not risk it. The US was about to withdraw from Vietnam. That’s a hard lesson.

Never underestimate the enemy, calculate the unknowns, make sure at next time we have the backing of a superpower.


Vietnam can’t do alone. Let’s assume the US won’t intervene, only together with Japan and India we could inflict serious damage, bringing China economy to a standstill by sea mines, submarines and land/sea attack missiles. Such scenario can be interestingly read in fiction book as Shattered Trident. But there is a risk of a nuclear war.


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Thats not underestimate the enemy, its just a correct analyst abt what will happen.

As u know, I always say that CN economy will be in chaos in 2023 due to US sanction. So when CN is in chaos and finnly collapse, then US may turn VN to the next enemy after CN collapse like Soviet.

When VN may become US next target, then we never can buy F35. Thats it.
 
CN economy is falling and this time, its CN ,not VN, is under US sanction.

Your country never get a real US sanction, so u guys simply dont know how hard it is ( just look at the economy of N.Korea, Iran for some ideas abt US sanction). CN economy is just too bad now, Xi is very worry abt it and even set the growth for 2019 is just 6% ( 2018 is 6,8%). Wt a very bad economy situation like that, CN simply cant be a threat to VN.


Thats not underestimate the enemy, its just a correct analyst abt what will happen.

As u know, I always say that CN economy will be in chaos in 2023 due to US sanction. So when CN is in chaos and finnly collapse, then US may turn VN to the next enemy after CN collapse like Soviet.

When VN may become US next target, then we never can buy F35. Thats it.
The French attacked Vietnam because they wanted to loot our country and people. The Chinese burned our cities to the ground, killing the last man last woman last kid they encountered because they hate everything Vietnamese. The US intervened in Vietnam because they wanted to stop communism. You see different motives?

I don’t think the US will pose a security threat again. Nor the French.
In contrast the Chinese hate Vietnam because of their racism so I don’t think that will ever change.
 
The French attacked Vietnam because they wanted to loot our country and people. The Chinese burned our cities to the ground, killing the last man last woman last kid they encountered because they hate everything Vietnamese. The US intervened in Vietnam because they wanted to stop communism. You see different motives?

I don’t think the US will pose a security threat again. Nor the French.
In contrast the Chinese hate Vietnam because of their racism so I don’t think that will ever change.
US intervened in Vietnam because she wanted to sell all weapons still in stock after WW2 ( S.VN soldiers were forced to use ww2 guns like M1 Garand against N.VN using Ak 47 in the early time of VN war )

Not mentioning SCS( east VN sea) is also very important to Guam, SK, JP and US also wanna control it.
 
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Ok more pictures of visit of Russia’s Su30SM fighter jets to Vietnam. Such event costs lots of money, the Russians apparently hope Vietnam to buy more aircraft.


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I have finally figured out why they’re so anal on here. Loiterer of this site are usually extremist. Extreme nationalism. Extreme patrioticism (is there such a word?).

The antidote for your fuckery is Marijuana. There is no question.
 
China tries to forget, but its war with Vietnam ended with a US victory. Just look at Trump
  • The 40th anniversary of the Sino-Vietnamese war is passing largely unnoticed in China, where all commemorative activity has been banned
  • But Vietnam bitterly recalls the conflict that tore two ideological allies apart – and sent Hanoi into American arms


Cary Huang

Published: 10:30am, 3 Mar, 2019


The 40th anniversary of the Sino-Vietnamese War went unnoticed in China, as no commemorative activities were allowed in the country – not even any Vietnam-related posts on social media.

But this was not the case in Vietnam
as state-run media and newspapers published in-depth features and critical commentaries recalling the fierce fight from February 17 to March 16, 1979. An editorial in The Voice of Vietnam, a Communist Party mouthpiece, called the war a “righteous … struggle to defend the motherland” and condemned China’s “brutal and illogical invasion”.
China should not forget this history. The anniversary provides a good chance for reflection, as many young Chinese lost their lives in the war – also in the name of defending their motherland.

Back then Beijing made no secret of its motivation to teach an “ungrateful” former ally a lesson, after Hanoi apparently switched its alliance to the Soviet Union by signing the Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation with China’s chief rival at the time in November 1978.

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A Vietnamese man prays at a rally marking the 38th anniversary of the border war with China, at Hoan Kiem lake in Hanoi, Vietnam. Photo: EPA


The Sino-Vietnamese war was also widely thought of as an effort to stop Hanoi’s campaign to oust the China-backed Khmer Rouge regime in Cambodia
, which had taken the form of an invasion of Phnom Penh. If so, the Chinese campaign was somewhere between pointless and a complete failure, as it failed to achieve either goal. Vietnamese troops remained in Cambodia until the late 1980s, while Beijing-backed Pol Pot was ousted and the rebels were forced to retreat to Cambodia’s remote western region. Hanoi went on to forge an even closer alliance with Moscow as a result of China’s invasion. Nevertheless, the war had a lasting impact not only on the two countries’ relationship, but also on China’s relations with China’s neighbours. It reshaped geopolitics in the region, and its legacy endures today.

The short-lived but bloody military conflict took a heavy toll in terms of casualties as well as economic losses for both countries. While Beijing and Hanoi have failed to provide full details, Western estimates count 28,000 dead Chinese soldiers and a further 43,000 wounded, while putting the Vietnamese casualties at 20,000 to 35,000 – many of them civilians because the war was fought exclusively on Vietnamese soil.


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Chinese frontier soldiers at Laoshan in Yunnan province during the Sino-Vietnamese War. File photo
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The painful chapter completely destroyed the countries’ traditional friendship, nurtured by their communist founding fathers Mao Zedong and Ho Chi Minh and once described by Chairman Mao Zedong “as close as lips and teeth”.

That friendship was built on a shared ideology and forged by China’s support of Vietnam during the decades it spent at war, first with France and then with the United States, for which Beijing provided billions of dollars in aid and sent about 320,000 soldiers to help its ally.

The Sino-Vietnamese war undermined China’s image as a peace-loving nation and raised suspicions about the non-hegemonic diplomacy it had long claimed to have.

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Many nations were horrified to see 600,000 Chinese troops cross the 600km border into Vietnam’s six northernmost provinces, just to teach a lesson to an “unthankful” former ally.

The skirmish sowed a seed of hatred and cultivated distrust between the two peoples. The Vietnamese see their war against the Chinese as comparable to their battles after the French and American invasions, as they fought to safeguard their national independence.

It also resulted in continued spats along the armed border throughout the 1980s. There was also further conflict in territorial disputes, including a 1988 naval battle over a contested reef in the South China Sea, before the two sides formally ended tensions and restored full diplomatic relations in 1991.

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Chinese veterans commemorate the 40th anniversary of the politically sensitive Sino-Vietnamese border war. Photo: Weibo


This friction also rekindled memories of a historical enmity dating back millennia. Chinese incursions into what is today Vietnamese territory go back as far as 1BC. For centuries, many of China’s smaller neighbours were subjects to its imperial rule.

The most unwanted legacy of the war is that it helped reshape today’s geopolitics in the region, pushing a former comrade in arms into the embrace of what was once their former common foe – the US.

Without that bloody war, Vietnam and China would be close diplomatic allies and ideological bedfellows, two of the world’s five surviving communist-ruled and self-declared socialist states, which also include North Korea, Laos and Cuba.

Hanoi’s diplomatic relations with Washington have arguably never been better. US President
Donald Trump
s choice of Hanoi as the venue of his second summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong-un
– Trump’s second visit to Vietnam since taking office two years ago – speaks volumes. ■
 

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