Vietnam Defence Forum

[Farhan Bohra]

Visit of Iran parliament speaker Ali Ardeshir Larijan to Hanoi. Tension between Iran and Israel can torpedo the plan to buy Iran crude to build up Vietnam’s strategic crude oil and petroleum reserves of 90 days.


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Why not approaching UAE?

 

[Viet]

Why not approaching UAE?

I think we will. Vietnam wants 45 million barrels of crude and petrol as national strategic reserves.

 

[Viet]

Australia remembers the most bloodiest battle of the Vietnam war 50 years ago: the 25 day long battle of Coral-Balmora (1968).

 

[Serge2018]

I thought trench are obsolete

Take a look at the Russian-Ukrainian frontline and then you'll understand importance of military fortifications.

 

[warzone]

I thought trench are obsolete

Even today in 21st century, the trenches are the best friends of every infantrymen (especially for less equipped armies) and even tanks use sometime (to hide the tank hulls). And it also good to slow tanks and IFV advance as well…

How protect yourself on a flat terrain if you get bombarded from artillery or air or direct fire from heavy or light guns? How about ambush and hiding? Every Vietnamese infantrymen have a shovel as a standard issue equipment, the main purpose is to dig a personal trench and secondary as a combat weapon. Vietnamese soldiers are really good at building trenches and tunnels, that come with decades of war experience.

They beat the French at Dien Bien Phu bases by digging trenches very close to the French defence lines and then launched their attacks from the trenches, not like human waves some countries does all the times...LOL

 

[striver44]

Even today in 21st century, the trenches are the best friends of every infantrymen (especially for less equipped armies) and even tanks use sometime (to hide the tank hulls). And it also good to slow tanks and IFV advance as well…View attachment 475351
How protect yourself on a flat terrain if you get bombarded from artillery or air or direct fire from heavy or light guns? How about ambush and hiding? Every Vietnamese infantrymen have a shovel as a standard issue equipment, the main purpose is to dig a personal trench and secondary as a combat weapon. Vietnamese soldiers are really good at building trenches and tunnels, that come with decades of war experience.

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They beat the French at Dien Bien Phu bases by digging trenches very close to the French defence lines and then launched their attacks from the trenches, not like human waves some countries does all the times...LOL

even If the trench are built in a relatively huge area and a supporting geography (like mountains,hills, high grounds) like this

it's not going to hold much

especially if you're building a trench in an tiny island in the middle of the sea, and from the picture I saw they're building it very close to the beachhead. Considering that a likely enemy that will be invading those island is china. I don't think it's going to make any difference, the Chinese would just carpet bomb those trench.

 

[Serge2018]

even If the trench are built in a relatively huge area and a supporting geography (like mountains,hills, high grounds) like this

it's not going to hold much

especially if you're building a trench in an tiny island in the middle of the sea, and from the picture I saw they're building it very close to the beachhead. Considering that a likely enemy that will be invading those island is china. I don't think it's going to make any difference, the Chinese would just carpet bomb those trench.

That's not true. Practice shows that fortifications are still have a huge significance on the battlefield.
Btw, how do you image yourself troops in defence?

And I repeat: take a look at least few videos from the Russian-Ukrainian frontline, all questions will become irrelevant (despite there is a big lack of materials translated into English).

 

[warzone]

even If the trench are built in a relatively huge area and a supporting geography (like mountains,hills, high grounds) like this

it's not going to hold much

especially if you're building a trench in an tiny island in the middle of the sea, and from the picture I saw they're building it very close to the beachhead. Considering that a likely enemy that will be invading those island is china. I don't think it's going to make any difference, the Chinese would just carpet bomb those trench.

wow Do you have any military training to say something like that? Trust me a shit tiny hole make a huge between life and death.....Because even people with BASIC infantry training will never say something STUPID things like this
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[striver44]

wow Do you have any military training to say something like that? Trust me a shit tiny hole make a huge between life and death.....Because even people with BASIC infantry training will never say something STUPID things like this

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why so butthurt ???? well I'll just leave it here, and lets see what trenches can do against the artillery and bombing onslaught.

 

[Viet]

why so butthurt ???? well I'll just leave it here, and lets see what trenches can do against the artillery and bombing onslaught.

Look I am not a military man, but what do you think which infantryman will survive if a artillery granate explodes nearby?

The man in the trench or the man being exposed to the shrapnels?

It is all about increase of survivability. Of course if the enemy repeats artillery bombardments at trenches and bunkers, at some time those hideouts will be destroyed or softened.

 

[striver44]

Look I am not a military man, but what do you think which infantryman will survive if a artillery granate explodes nearby?

The man in the trench or the man being exposed to the shrapnels?

It is all about increase of survivability. Of course if the enemy repeats artillery bombardments at trenches and bunkers, at some time those hideouts will be destroyed or softened.

ok I accept that, I'm not trying to offend anyone

 

[Nilgiri]

even If the trench are built in a relatively huge area and a supporting geography (like mountains,hills, high grounds) like this

it's not going to hold much

especially if you're building a trench in an tiny island in the middle of the sea, and from the picture I saw they're building it very close to the beachhead. Considering that a likely enemy that will be invading those island is china. I don't think it's going to make any difference, the Chinese would just carpet bomb those trench.

Sorry dude, but one thing defeats your analysis.....a competent military will evaluate its own strategies and tactics by thinking whats the worst way the enemy can attack it (and do this iteration a few times more up the chain to the relevant levels possible). Everyone that uses trenches today has factored all of those results in already, by thinking how they themselves would do their best to attack such...and hedging with all the counters available. Whatever can go through this process and still be valid/useful, will be employed....no matter how it might optically look like.

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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...xercise-with-vietnam/articleshow/64241913.cms

BTW @Viet any vietnamese news regarding this? @Viva_Viet @Aqsuperman @xiao qi

With an eye on China, India to hold naval exercise with Vietnam

HIGHLIGHTS

• Three Indian warships will enter the Tien Sa Port (Danang) on Monday
• From May 21 to 25, there will be a professional interaction between personnel of the two navies
• India is also set to train Vietnamese fighter pilots to fly the Sukhoi-30 fighter jets

NEW DELHI: India will hold its first naval exercise with Vietnam next week, as part of the overall strategy to steadily build military ties with nations in the Asia Pacific region with an eye firmly on a confrontationist and expansionist China, even as defence minister Nirmala Sitharaman is slated to visit Hanoi next month.

Three Indian warships on operational deployment to South East Asia and North West Pacific region, stealth frigate INS Sahyadri, missile corvette INS Kamorta and fleet tanker INS Shakti, will enter the Tien Sa Port (Danang) on Monday.

“From May 21 to 25, there will be a professional interaction between personnel of the two navies, official calls and interaction with dignitaries of the Vietnamese Government. On completion of the harbour phase, warships from the two navies would be undertaking the exercise,” said Navy spokesperson Captain D K Sharma.

With defence cooperation being a vital component of the “comprehensive strategic partnership” between the two countries, Sitharaman is scheduled to visit Vietnam in June to further bolster bilateral military ties. The chief of general staff of the Vietnam People's Army and the commander-in chief of Vietnam People's Navy are also slated to visit India later this year.

The two countries are wary of China’s aggressive tactics in Asia-Pacific, especially the contentious South China Sea, and have steadily cranked up their bilateral military ties over the last few years. There have also been a series of high-level visits to Vietnam, with PM Narendra Modi visiting Hanoi in September 2016 and announcing a new $500 million defence line of credit.

After inking a “joint vision statement on defence for 2015-2020” in May 2015, the two countries also decided to elevate their “strategic partnership” to “comprehensive strategic partnership” during Modi’s visit in September 2016.

India has also offered the BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles as well as the Akash surface-to-air missile defence systems to Vietnam.

India is also set to train Vietnamese fighter pilots to fly the Sukhoi-30 fighter jets, much like it has been tutoring sailors from that country on the complex art of operating Kilo-class submarines for the last four years, as earlier reported by TOI.

Apart from regular port calls by warships, the Indian Navy cooperates with the Vietnam People’s Navy on a wide range of issues from operational interactions and training to logistics support and exchange of experts.

India, of course, has also stepped up defence cooperation, ranging from expansion in military visits and exercises to training and technology-sharing, with other Southeast Asian countries like Singapore, Myanmar, Malaysia and Indonesia.




As for the South China Sea, India has repeatedly stressed the need for all to respect the freedom of navigation in international waters, right of passage and overflight, unimpeded commerce and access to resources in accordance with the 1982 UN Convention on the Law of the Sea.

 

[Viet]

Kuwaii, April 23. Chief of Kuwaii National Guards receives delegations of Vietnam, Bahrain and Turkey to Command Center drills.

US hospital ship Mercy accompanied by two other vessels - Expeditionary Fast Transport vessel USNS Brunswick (T-EPF-6) and Japanese JDS Osumi - makes Port call to Nha Trang.

Three India warships -- INS Sahyadri, INS Shakti and INS Kamorta --led by Rear Admiral Dinesh Kumar Tripathi, Flag Officer Commanding from the Eastern Fleet is to pay a visit to Da Nang.

Russia state oil company Rosneft, a crucial arm of Putin’s foreign policy, begins drilling oil offshore of Vietnam. The Chinese begin to issue war threat. The drilling is backed by the Kremlin. Let’s see if Putin can be blackmailed by Beijing.

Vietnam demands China to withdraw missiles from the outposts in the South China Sea. "Vietnam requests that China, as a large country, shows its responsibility in maintaining peace and stability in the East Sea," Vietnamese foreign ministry spokeswoman Le Thi Thu Hang.

 

[Viva_Viet]

even If the trench are built in a relatively huge area and a supporting geography (like mountains,hills, high grounds) like this

it's not going to hold much

especially if you're building a trench in an tiny island in the middle of the sea, and from the picture I saw they're building it very close to the beachhead. Considering that a likely enemy that will be invading those island is china. I don't think it's going to make any difference, the Chinese would just carpet bomb those trench.

We have all kinds of missile to shoot down all CN jet fighter, warship. Trench is for stopping CN "human wave" tactic, missile is not good enough to stop infantry.

Sorry dude, but one thing defeats your analysis.....a competent military will evaluate its own strategies and tactics by thinking whats the worst way the enemy can attack it (and do this iteration a few times more up the chain to the relevant levels possible). Everyone that uses trenches today has factored all of those results in already, by thinking how they themselves would do their best to attack such...and hedging with all the counters available. Whatever can go through this process and still be valid/useful, will be employed....no matter how it might optically look like.

=======================================

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...xercise-with-vietnam/articleshow/64241913.cms

BTW @Viet any vietnamese news regarding this? @Viva_Viet @Aqsuperman @xiao qi

With an eye on China, India to hold naval exercise with Vietnam

HIGHLIGHTS

• Three Indian warships will enter the Tien Sa Port (Danang) on Monday
• From May 21 to 25, there will be a professional interaction between personnel of the two navies
• India is also set to train Vietnamese fighter pilots to fly the Sukhoi-30 fighter jets

NEW DELHI: India will hold its first naval exercise with Vietnam next week, as part of the overall strategy to steadily build military ties with nations in the Asia Pacific region with an eye firmly on a confrontationist and expansionist China, even as defence minister Nirmala Sitharaman is slated to visit Hanoi next month.

Three Indian warships on operational deployment to South East Asia and North West Pacific region, stealth frigate INS Sahyadri, missile corvette INS Kamorta and fleet tanker INS Shakti, will enter the Tien Sa Port (Danang) on Monday.

“From May 21 to 25, there will be a professional interaction between personnel of the two navies, official calls and interaction with dignitaries of the Vietnamese Government. On completion of the harbour phase, warships from the two navies would be undertaking the exercise,” said Navy spokesperson Captain D K Sharma.

With defence cooperation being a vital component of the “comprehensive strategic partnership” between the two countries, Sitharaman is scheduled to visit Vietnam in June to further bolster bilateral military ties. The chief of general staff of the Vietnam People's Army and the commander-in chief of Vietnam People's Navy are also slated to visit India later this year.

The two countries are wary of China’s aggressive tactics in Asia-Pacific, especially the contentious South China Sea, and have steadily cranked up their bilateral military ties over the last few years. There have also been a series of high-level visits to Vietnam, with PM Narendra Modi visiting Hanoi in September 2016 and announcing a new $500 million defence line of credit.

After inking a “joint vision statement on defence for 2015-2020” in May 2015, the two countries also decided to elevate their “strategic partnership” to “comprehensive strategic partnership” during Modi’s visit in September 2016.

India has also offered the BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles as well as the Akash surface-to-air missile defence systems to Vietnam.

India is also set to train Vietnamese fighter pilots to fly the Sukhoi-30 fighter jets, much like it has been tutoring sailors from that country on the complex art of operating Kilo-class submarines for the last four years, as earlier reported by TOI.

Apart from regular port calls by warships, the Indian Navy cooperates with the Vietnam People’s Navy on a wide range of issues from operational interactions and training to logistics support and exchange of experts.

India, of course, has also stepped up defence cooperation, ranging from expansion in military visits and exercises to training and technology-sharing, with other Southeast Asian countries like Singapore, Myanmar, Malaysia and Indonesia.




As for the South China Sea, India has repeatedly stressed the need for all to respect the freedom of navigation in international waters, right of passage and overflight, unimpeded commerce and access to resources in accordance with the 1982 UN Convention on the Law of the Sea.

Yep, we heard the news, but VN news dont say much just to avoid CN anger

 

[striver44]

We have all kinds of missile to shoot down all CN jet fighter, warship.

Ohhhhhh yeahhhh?? I dont think so