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It would be nice to get an LCS for Vietnam although I think its a bit expensive for Vietnam, but a fast ship like that would be quite nice for patrolling the SCS.



Not trying to argue or to be offensive to Australia, just talking about the unions, they are a pain to deal with everywhere. When living in USA sometimes I had to deal with the teamsters union. oh man, they are a totally glorified, arrogant ***..holes that got you in their hands and suck every bit of blood out of you and there is nothing that you can do about it. They are definitely responsible for a lot of jobs leaving USA, Australia, etc. They don't believe in a fair win win type of relationship, everything has to be their way. Oh well.

lol. "Not going to argue with you" is an expression, meaning I agree with your statement, our worker union is a bunch of weasel and it still does. In fact, any sort of Union in Australia is some kind of arsehole, I was taking a bus to school some months ago, and the Transport Union had organised a strike and the bus drop all of us off midway in the middle of no where and go on strike, because they think paying them $1200 a week to drive a bus is not really enough....

We were basically stranded in the middle of nowhere and I have to call my friend to pick me up because there weren't other bus working (all of them are on strike) and I don't have any money on me, just an opal card...

Anyway, there are chances to make LCS in Vietnam for a fraction of a price to which the US Navy pays. Even Austal Make them in the US for 360 millions a piece, Vietnam could possibly make it less than 200 millions per. Considering Vietnamese's Gepard-Class Frigate costing the Vietnam Navy 350 millions USD. IT wasn't really that expensive at all. Of course the hurdle is going to be whether or not Austal would sell you the design to begin with and the willingness of Austal to integrate it with Russian system, but, well, never say never.
 
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lol. "Not going to argue with you" is an expression, meaning I agree with your statement, our worker union is a bunch of weasel and it still does. In fact, any sort of Union in Australia is some kind of arsehole, I was taking a bus to school some months ago, and the Transport Union had organised a strike and the bus drop all of us off midway in the middle of no where and go on strike, because they think paying them $1200 a week to drive a bus is not really enough....

We were basically stranded in the middle of nowhere and I have to call my friend to pick me up because there weren't other bus working (all of them are on strike) and I don't have any money on me, just an opal card...

Anyway, there are chances to make LCS in Vietnam for a fraction of a price to which the US Navy pays. Even Austal Make them in the US for 360 millions a piece, Vietnam could possibly make it less than 200 millions per. Considering Vietnamese's Gepard-Class Frigate costing the Vietnam Navy 350 millions USD. IT wasn't really that expensive at all. Of course the hurdle is going to be whether or not Austal would sell you the design to begin with and the willingness of Austal to integrate it with Russian system, but, well, never say never.

Wr are in the same page man, I said that because I was not totally sure, so just to clarify.

I didn't realize that the LCS price came down so much now, it was around 700 million for the first ships. Yes, 360 is quite ok. I would say that the only issues would be kind of the same as in USA where the weapons systems are too weak and they are improving them and integrating better anti ship capability etc and I think they are moving away from the multi modular concept since that's not working out and of course having to integrate some Russian systems such as KH-35, maybe some sensors, etc.

I always felt that the whole concept of the trimaran is really nice, can't beat the speed, the fact that the ship is very wide which adds a lot of useful space, its actually very difficult to sink the ship because of the trimaran concept, etc, etc. I love the design. Oh well, we'll have to see how things develop in Vietnam, if it goes further towards the west and looking at the latest issues and tension, it may well happens. Vietnam has not done much with Australia in terms of weapons purchases but they are certainly developing a closer relationship so we'll see.

I think we must develop some plans under the table, just in case. Media say our PLA man Fan Changlong seems very angry as he left a meeting early, cancelling all military meetings, returning home red faced. He might have become outraged, when his Vietnamese communist comrades revealed, Vietnam plans to counter the future Chinese underwater monitoring system. a Sosus variant. What does Changlong expect? We shouldn't do anything, making the Chinese easy to detect our submarines?

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That's pretty damn serious man. I bet there are a lot of contacts now between USA and Vietnam. VN probably got some assurances from Trump and the Japanese during the PM trip so that he can maintain a strong position with China. You can also bet that the Americans are also not going to be passive about that observation network.
 
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yes the japanese should drop all hesitations. that little boat is nice. can we have 2 pieces for a start please? although I believe a delivery of carriers to VN will drive someone more crazy.

China Cancels Military Meeting With Vietnam
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/21/world/asia/china-vietnam-south-china-sea.html
Good news, time to prove that who is the boss of East sea (SCS) and Sub Mekong region. Laos will be on Vn side like in 1979. Mr.Hun Sen just come and pledge his loyalti to Vn again :smokin:
 
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Modern destroyer is expensive. But 3 billion USD for one Hobart is toooo crazy.

China's 052D destroyer is about $520 million a unit, that's why China could afford to build 10 units of 052D/055 destroyers in parallel. To my understanding, the following reasons are critical to China's cost advantage on destroyers building:
- Support from none-military ships building: China is world largest builder of civil ships. Building of these none-military ships helps to shoulder a large portion of the shipyard cost, like shipyard daily operation cost, wages of the workers, depreciation cost of the equipment (like yards, or cranes)
- Fully localized: not only the final assembly of the naval ships, but the critical sub-systems, like engines, radars, guns, CIWS, missiles, torpedo, etc., are all made by China on its own. This helps China to get rid of the exploits of the foreign defense contractors
- SOE: the naval ships builders (like Dalian, or JNCX), and also builders of the sub-systems, are all SOE. The China Government is extremely clear about their cost structure, so very few chance for these companies to charge "hidden profits" on its bills to PLA Navy.
 
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lol. "Not going to argue with you" is an expression, meaning I agree with your statement, our worker union is a bunch of weasel and it still does. In fact, any sort of Union in Australia is some kind of arsehole, I was taking a bus to school some months ago, and the Transport Union had organised a strike and the bus drop all of us off midway in the middle of no where and go on strike, because they think paying them $1200 a week to drive a bus is not really enough....

We were basically stranded in the middle of nowhere and I have to call my friend to pick me up because there weren't other bus working (all of them are on strike) and I don't have any money on me, just an opal card...

Anyway, there are chances to make LCS in Vietnam for a fraction of a price to which the US Navy pays. Even Austal Make them in the US for 360 millions a piece, Vietnam could possibly make it less than 200 millions per. Considering Vietnamese's Gepard-Class Frigate costing the Vietnam Navy 350 millions USD. IT wasn't really that expensive at all. Of course the hurdle is going to be whether or not Austal would sell you the design to begin with and the willingness of Austal to integrate it with Russian system, but, well, never say never.

It seems like Australia is the one that is a bit reluctant to take defense ties with Vietnam to the next level:

Why aren’t Australia and Vietnam strategic partners?
https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/why-aren-t-australia-and-vietnam-strategic-partners

The election of Donald Trump as US president has increased strategic uncertainty about the leadership role of the US as the 'indispensable power' in the Indo-Pacific. One obvious conclusion is that Australia will have to redouble its defence and security engagement in the region. There are signs that this is happening with Australia’s recent engagements with Japan, Indonesia, Singapore and the Philippines.

But what about Vietnam? Why hasn’t it featured in Australia’s new outreach?

Australia has longstanding defence and security ties with Vietnam that stretch back nearly two decades. In 1998, Vietnam hosted its first strategic dialogue with Australia. The following year Australia opened a Defence Attaché's Office in Hanoi and in 2000 Vietnam reciprocated.

A decade later Vietnam pressed Australia to raise bilateral relations to the level of 'strategic partnership'. This was rejected by then Prime Minister Kevin Rudd. Vietnam was disappointed and in 2009 begrudgingly accepted Australia’s proposal that bilateral relations be raised to a comprehensive partnership.

The Comprehensive Partnership agreement laid the foundation for the development of defence and security cooperation. Australia and Vietnam declared that the 'security and prosperity of both countries is linked to a secure future for the Asia-Pacific region' and pledged to 'work together in regional forums to develop credible security architecture'. To this end, Australia and Vietnam pledged to exchange defence personnel, conduct joint training, host ship visits, and conduct regular dialogues on regional security issues between foreign affairs and defence officials.

In 2010 the defence ministers of Australia and Vietnam signed a Memorandum of Understanding on Defence Cooperation. The MoU extended defence engagement from reciprocal education exchanges to a limited number of practical training activities between their navies and special forces. A key component of defence cooperation has been Australia’s provision of English language instruction and specialist training for Vietnamese personnel about to deploy to the South Sudan on UN peacekeeping operations.

As a result of the MoU, Australia and Vietnam inaugurated Defence Cooperation Talks, a Strategic Dialogue involving deputy secretaries from Foreign Affairs and Defence (2012), and a Defence Ministers’ Meeting (2013), all on an annual basis.

In 2014 Vietnam once again pressed Australia unsuccessfully to raise bilateral relations to a strategic partnership level. Nonetheless, the following year, during the visit of Vietnam’s Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung, Australia and Vietnam adopted a declaration on Enhancing the Comprehensive Partnership to signal growing bilateral ties. This declaration laid out a road map for cooperation at international and regional levels, including promoting the East Asia Summit as a leader-led forum, and the centrality of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN).

Australia and Vietnam reached a convergence of views on territorial disputes in the South China Sea. They stressed:

...the importance of maintaining peace and stability in the region, and ensuring security, safety and freedom of navigation and aviation, in accordance with international law, including the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, without resorting to the threat or use of force. Both countries call on all parties to exercise restraint and refrain from actions that could increase tensions in the region. Both countries agree on the urgent need to conclude a code of conduct for the South China Sea.

The declaration also included a section on defence ties. It stated that both parties 'will strengthen the exchange of views on regional and security issues of mutual concern by maintaining a programme of regular consultations and visits at civilian official and military levels' including the annual bilateral talks mentioned above, as well as an annual Defence 1.5 Track Dialogue. Australia and Vietnam also pledged to work together to achieve shared security goals in the ASEAN Regional Forum, ASEAN Defence Ministers’ Meeting Plus, and the Expanded ASEAN Maritime Forum.

Bilateral defence cooperation has continued through personnel exchanges, officer training and naval ship visits. Other areas of cooperation include aviation and maritime security, peacekeeping, counter-terrorism, special forces, and war legacy issues.

Vietnam promotes a foreign policy of 'independence and self-reliance', and a defence policy that prohibits alliances and foreign bases on Vietnam's soil. In 2007, in an important development, Vietnam was the Asia Bloc’s unanimous nominee for a seat on the UN Security Council as a non-permanent member. Vietnam received the overwhelming endorsement of the UN General Assembly and served from 2008-09. Vietnam is currently seeking re-election in 2020 and is poised to deploy a field hospital to South Sudan. Vietnam has also engaged in a robust program of defence self-help involving the modernisation of its naval and air forces. In the period 2011-15, Vietnam was the eighth largest importer of arms globally.

Vietnam has reached out to negotiate eleven strategic and fifteen comprehensive partnership agreements involving all five permanent members of the UN Security Council, and other major powers such as India and Japan. Vietnam’s strategic partners are given more extensive access to its top leadership than comprehensive partners.

It is time for Australia to pick up some of the slack regionally as the Trump Administration pursues an America First policy. The time is right to advance bilateral relations to a strategic partnership level. Australia and Vietnam share convergent security views and Vietnam has the capacity to work with Australia to address maritime security issues.
 
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News of the day

South Korea Hanwha Techwin plans to produce aircraft engine parts in Vietnam. Construction will start in August and the plant will be operational next year.

http://www.businesskorea.co.kr/engl...n-build-aircraft-engine-parts-factory-vietnam

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Some veterans pays a visit to the Second Army, the former home unit.

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Hun Sen: "Without Vietnam there would be no Cambodia today"

During his visit to VN in 22th,Jun,2017. Mr.Hun Sen say thanks to VN's help to save Cambodian from Pol Pot 's genocide

..........Hun Sen show his loyalty to VN when VN start teaching CN another lesson after 1979. :cheers:



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VN PM welcome Mr.Hun Sen in 22th,Jun,2017.

Thủ tướng Hun Sen: “Nếu không có Việt Nam thì không có Campuchia ngày nay”
Chia sẻ
Dân trí Chiều 21/6, tại tỉnh Bình Dương, Thủ tướng Chính phủ Nguyễn Xuân Phúc đã chủ trì đón và chào mừng Thủ tướng Chính phủ Vương quốc Campuchia Hun Sen. Thủ tướng Hun Sen bảy tỏ biết ơn vì sự hy sinh mà Việt Nam đã dành cho Campuchia và khẳng định: “Nếu không có Việt Nam thì không có Campuchia ngày nay”.
Chuyến thăm của Thủ tướng Hun Sen cùng các thành viên trong đoàn đại biểu cấp cao Chính phủ Vương quốc Campuchia tới Việt Nam nhân dịp kỷ niệm 40 năm ngày Thủ tướng Hun Sen và đồng đội bắt đầu con đường cách mạng, cứu đất nước Campuchia khỏi chế độ diệt chủng Pol Pot.
http://dantri.com.vn/chinh-tri/thu-...g-co-campuchia-ngay-nay-20170622073245173.htm
 
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Modern destroyer is expensive. But 3 billion USD for one Hobart is toooo crazy.

China's 052D destroyer is about $520 million a unit, that's why China could afford to build 10 units of 052D/055 destroyers in parallel. To my understanding, the following reasons are critical to China's cost advantage on destroyers building:
- Support from none-military ships building: China is world largest builder of civil ships. Building of these none-military ships helps to shoulder a large portion of the shipyard cost, like shipyard daily operation cost, wages of the workers, depreciation cost of the equipment (like yards, or cranes)
- Fully localized: not only the final assembly of the naval ships, but the critical sub-systems, like engines, radars, guns, CIWS, missiles, torpedo, etc., are all made by China on its own. This helps China to get rid of the exploits of the foreign defense contractors
- SOE: the naval ships builders (like Dalian, or JNCX), and also builders of the sub-systems, are all SOE. The China Government is extremely clear about their cost structure, so very few chance for these companies to charge "hidden profits" on its bills to PLA Navy.
Nice info. Good to see China makes progress, but I wonder if we can copy anything from your greatness. a Vietnamese/Chinese cooperation in building of destroyers is probably not an option. Vietnam is not Pakistan, isn't it?
 
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"New Tensions in Vietnam – China Relations?" by Le Hong Hiep
2017/38, 20 June 2017

https://www.iseas.edu.sg/medias/com...s-in-vietnam--china-relations-by-le-hong-hiep

Vice Chairman of China’s Central Military Commission Fan Changlong paid an official visit to Vietnam from 18 to 19 June 2017. He also planned to join Vietnamese Defence Minister Ngo Xuan Lich to preside over border exchange activities between the two militaries to be held in the provinces of Lai Chau and Yunnan from 20 to 22 June. However, General Fan cut short his visit and abruptly left Vietnam on the evening of 18 June without announcing the reasons.

Since the 2014 oil rig crisis, Vietnam – China relations have improved significantly. There have been exchanges of top level visits and economic ties have been strengthened. Vietnam is also strongly supporting the China-led Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank and the Belt and Road Initiative.

However, at the same time, Vietnam has intensified relations with China’s strategic rivals, the US and Japan. Prime Minister Nguyen Xuan Phuc was the first ASEAN leader to visit the US under the Trump administration in late May 2017. Shortly afterwards, he paid a high-profile visit to Japan, during which deals worth more than US$22 billion were sealed.

Military cooperation initiatives between Vietnam and the two powers were highlighted in joint statements of both visits, which also stressed common positions of the three countries over the South China Sea. Washington and Tokyo have also provided Hanoi with Coast Guard vessels and patrol boats to help enhance Vietnam’s maritime capacity.

These developments have raised some eyebrows in Beijing. On 18 June 2017, the Global Times ran an op-ed condemning these diplomatic manoeuvres of Vietnam. It asserts that “Vietnam’s ambition” may “stir confrontation” and destabilize the region, and that “Vietnam's frequent talks with the US and Japan about the South China Sea should not be viewed as benign”.

Although no explanation has been offered for General Fan’s sudden departure from Vietnam, developments in Vietnam’s relations with the US and Japan may have played a role.

These developments do not bode well for bilateral relations and new tensions may be expected in the coming months.

Dr. Le Hong Hiep is Fellow at ISEAS – Yusof Ishak Institute.

The facts and views expressed are solely that of the author/authors and do not necessarily reflect that of ISEAS – Yusof Ishak Institute. No part of this publication may be reproduced in any form without permission.
 
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Hun Sen: "Without Vietnam there would be no Cambodia today"

During his visit to VN in 22th,Jun,2017. Mr.Hun Sen say thanks to VN's help to save Cambodian from Pol Pot 's genocide

..........Hun Sen show his loyalty to VN when VN start teaching CN another lesson after 1979. :cheers:



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VN PM welcome Mr.Hun Sen in 22th,Jun,2017.
I think we don't need to teach anyone a lesson just make sure any aggressor to pay a price.

Ah other news. Seeing again an old friend: former US Secretary of States John Kerry. Interesting, he returns to Vietnam. I read, he offers something that Vietnam can't resist.

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Vietnam, Israel form ties in space technology

TUOI TRE NEWS

UPDATED : 06/22/2017 14:34 GMT + 7

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Vietnam and Israel have signed an agreement to cooperate in the field of space technology.

The Vietnam National Satellite Center inked a cooperative deal with the Israeli Space Agency during a conference in Hanoi on Wednesday celebrating the newly established ties.

According to the consensus, the two parties will focus on boosting their mutual collaboration in Earth observation, Earth science, space technology and industry, and satellite activities.

With previous success in launching several satellites and its newly formed ties with Israel, Vietnam is expected to attain a new stage of development in space technology.

During the gathering, representatives of the Vietnam National Satellite Center also informed delegates that the agency will be renamed Vietnam National Space Center on July 17.

Details of upcoming major projects and events carried out by the center were also shared at the conference, including Cansat 2017, a satellite design competition for young people, contract signings with Japanese investors in July, and the inauguration of anobservatory in the south-central beach city of Nha Trang in August.

Information regarding Vietnam hosting the 10th GEOSS Asia-Pacific Symposium was mentioned during the conference.

The event is expected to provide a forum for researchers, engineers, and learners in the region to discuss matters relating to their fields of study.
 
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